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by **bigmick** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:10 pm

Like most on here I've been thinking today about the team and the best way to play right now. I really do think it's time to go back to a decent, solid 4-4-2, even if it's only till January when we can bring some players in to make Rafa's beloved 4-5-1 work. Heavy defeats like the one against Chelsea can drain confidence and a shake up is needed before our next game.
I know people always put up their teams but this is mine and why.

GK Reina- I'm not totally convinced but think he has shown promise. Was unlucky with the penalty yesterday, a potential result changing moment.

LB Warnock- I like Traore but he seems like the type of lad who would be affected by a bad error. Warnock has much to learn but in a 4-4-2 it is important that the full-backs can overlap etc. Djimi can't so Warnock gets the nod.

CB's- Well we've only got two at the club so no point in waffling on about this selection, Carragher and Hyppia.

RB- pay no mind to the fella who posted up that Finnan is rubbish. He is either on a wind-up, clueless or both.

RM- I think it's time to move Stevie over. He's brilliant there anyway and is the one central midfielder we have who is properly capable of playing there.

CM's- Alonso as the sitter, Sissoko as the box to box man. Not two sitters please, let's use Sissoko's engine.

LM- Please no "but he's not a winger" comments. Riise. I know he's not a winger, but he IS a good left-sided midfield player who gives the team plenty.

Forwards- note the plural, Crouch and probably Cisse just over Pongolle.

I think the system of 4-4-2 with Gerrard and Riise as the wide midfielders gives us stability in defence. It gives us energy through the middle if Sissoko is encouraged to roam, along with passing accuracy and ball-retention from Alonso. Up front, we have the double option of hitting it long for Crouch or playing Cisse in behind to use his pace.
There's no place in my team for our next game for Luis Garcia, one of my favourite players. I think he is due a spot on the bench to consider properly his role in the squad. I thought he was very disappointing yesterday. My formation is not innovative or clever, it's simply about playing people in their best positions (with the obvious exception of Gerrard). I think it's the way to go, now.

by **desperado0831** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:52 pm

Maybe we have to wait until January's transfer window to get some 'quality' spanish. Go and grab Simao Sarbosa. He can work very well with Garcia. Joaquin also not bad for us but he's a luxurious choice for us.

Kewell get well soon so he can probably solve the Left winger problem.

by **JC_81** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:52 pm

bigmick wrote:Like most on here I've been thinking today about the team and the best way to play right now. I really do think it's time to go back to a decent, solid 4-4-2, even if it's only till January when we can bring some players in to make Rafa's beloved 4-5-1 work. Heavy defeats like the one against Chelsea can drain confidence and a shake up is needed before our next game.
I know people always put up their teams but this is mine and why.

GK Reina- I'm not totally convinced but think he has shown promise. Was unlucky with the penalty yesterday, a potential result changing moment.

LB Warnock- I like Traore but he seems like the type of lad who would be affected by a bad error. Warnock has much to learn but in a 4-4-2 it is important that the full-backs can overlap etc. Djimi can't so Warnock gets the nod.

CB's- Well we've only got two at the club so no point in waffling on about this selection, Carragher and Hyppia.

RB- pay no mind to the fella who posted up that Finnan is rubbish. He is either on a wind-up, clueless or both.

RM- I think it's time to move Stevie over. He's brilliant there anyway and is the one central midfielder we have who is properly capable of playing there.

CM's- Alonso as the sitter, Sissoko as the box to box man. Not two sitters please, let's use Sissoko's engine.

LM- Please no "but he's not a winger" comments. Riise. I know he's not a winger, but he IS a good left-sided midfield player who gives the team plenty.

Forwards- note the plural, Crouch and probably Cisse just over Pongolle.

I think the system of 4-4-2 with Gerrard and Riise as the wide midfielders gives us stability in defence. It gives us energy through the middle if Sissoko is encouraged to roam, along with passing accuracy and ball-retention from Alonso. Up front, we have the double option of hitting it long for Crouch or playing Cisse in behind to use his pace.
There's no place in my team for our next game for Luis Garcia, one of my favourite players. I think he is due a spot on the bench to consider properly his role in the squad. I thought he was very disappointing yesterday. My formation is not innovative or clever, it's simply about playing people in their best positions (with the obvious exception of Gerrard). I think it's the way to go, now.

Good post bigmick.

I agree, I have defended the 4-5-1 in the past. I think it's a decent set-up, but we simply don't have the players to suit it and there is no way we should be playing it at home or against sides we should be taking apart. Benitez HAS to sack the 4-4-2 until January at least.

Gerrard HAS to play wide right for the time being. We have an embarrassment of riches at centre-mid, Hamann, Alonso and Sissoko can all do a great job in there. Garcia needs some time on the bench to think about where it's going wrong for him, he needs to be made to play for his place instead of getting special treatment. Benitez has tried to play him into form but it's backfired.

Crouch needs a partner, he's not mobile enough to play the lone striker. Get Pongolle or Cisse on for now until we can bring someone in in January.

On the left, Riise was poor yesterday, but he's the best option for now until either Gonzalez signs or until Kewell gets fit (won't be holding my breath though).

That result yesterday was sickening for all of us, but if one good thing came out of it, it's that ALL of our weaknesses were highlighted at once. Maybe that's the kick up the backside the management needs to get it sorted.

by **JBG** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:17 pm

bigmick wrote:I really do think it's time to go back to a decent, solid 4-4-2, even if it's only till January when we can bring some players in to make Rafa's beloved 4-5-1 work.

As I said in this thread

http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=297615#p297615

I don't think we currently have the players available to make 4-2-3-1 work properly. Its a good system, but to get the most out of it you need the right players.

We have the right players for the 1 up front in Crouch and Morientes.

We have three or four players in the squad who are potentially well suited to the bank of three, in Garcia, Gerrard, Zenden and Kewell.

Gerrard would work well in the middle of the bank of three and also on the right.

Garcia has failed on the right hand side but, at a push, he could occasionally deputise on the left or right. Garcia's best position would be in the centre of the bank of three.

Zenden can do a job, form and consistency permitting, on the left or centre of the bank of three. Again, this is a big if, as Zenden is an inconsistent player.

A fully fit and on form Harry Kewell is best suited on the left of the bank of three. He is potentially explosive in that position. However, its a long time since we have seen Kewell being good enough to claim that position.

Ideally, we'd want two more players, in the shape of Gonzalez and Simao/Jaoquin. These guys would give plenty of pace and width to the bank of three and it could work a treat.

However, until we have those guys available, we have a lot of fellas there like John Arne Riise who are patently not capable of playing in that role.

It might be worth going back to 4-4-2 until we have the right players to play the formation.

4-2-3-1 is a very good formation, although don't expect your front man to score much in it. He plays a sacrificial role, and the bulk of the goals will come from the bank of three.

by **woof woof !** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:24 pm

bigmick wrote:Like most on here I've been thinking today about the team and the best way to play right now. I really do think it's time to go back to a decent, solid 4-4-2, even if it's only till January when we can bring some players in to make Rafa's beloved 4-5-1 work. Heavy defeats like the one against Chelsea can drain confidence and a shake up is needed before our next game.
I know people always put up their teams but this is mine and why.

GK Reina- I'm not totally convinced but think he has shown promise. Was unlucky with the penalty yesterday, a potential result changing moment.

LB Warnock- I like Traore but he seems like the type of lad who would be affected by a bad error. Warnock has much to learn but in a 4-4-2 it is important that the full-backs can overlap etc. Djimi can't so Warnock gets the nod.

CB's- Well we've only got two at the club so no point in waffling on about this selection, Carragher and Hyppia.

RB- pay no mind to the fella who posted up that Finnan is rubbish. He is either on a wind-up, clueless or both.

RM- I think it's time to move Stevie over. He's brilliant there anyway and is the one central midfielder we have who is properly capable of playing there.

CM's- Alonso as the sitter, Sissoko as the box to box man. Not two sitters please, let's use Sissoko's engine.

LM- Please no "but he's not a winger" comments. Riise. I know he's not a winger, but he IS a good left-sided midfield player who gives the team plenty.

Forwards- note the plural, Crouch and probably Cisse just over Pongolle.

I think the system of 4-4-2 with Gerrard and Riise as the wide midfielders gives us stability in defence. It gives us energy through the middle if Sissoko is encouraged to roam, along with passing accuracy and ball-retention from Alonso. Up front, we have the double option of hitting it long for Crouch or playing Cisse in behind to use his pace.
There's no place in my team for our next game for Luis Garcia, one of my favourite players. I think he is due a spot on the bench to consider properly his role in the squad. I thought he was very disappointing yesterday. My formation is not innovative or clever, it's simply about playing people in their best positions (with the obvious exception of Gerrard). I think it's the way to go, now.

Nice one Mick , I think 99% of the forum would go with that . It's so f'cking obvious that maybe Rafa just doesn't see it . :angry:

How's your Spanish ? maybe you could give him a call .

by **JohnBull** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:31 pm

stu_the_red wrote:the best side in world football.

How he must be.

Get real lad - They are NO WHERE near being the best side in football.
Yesterday was a "sods law" game and they will fall apart this season - they will NOT win the European Cup and the super manager might learn to tie a proper knot in his tie.
Shyt Happens - Such Is Life

by **woof woof !** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:33 pm

JohnBull wrote:Shyt Happens - Such Is Life

by **red37** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:27 pm

god and theres me thinking it was only my missus who kept tabs on rafa's tie ...and 'how many?which one is it today'

or 'ooh thats nice, i wonder where she got that one from for him' priceless!!

in her book:

old tie = good chance of a result!
new tie = not good! unless its a nice colour!

by **A.B.** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:23 pm

bigmick wrote:Like most on here I've been thinking today about the team and the best way to play right now. I really do think it's time to go back to a decent, solid 4-4-2, even if it's only till January when we can bring some players in to make Rafa's beloved 4-5-1 work. Heavy defeats like the one against Chelsea can drain confidence and a shake up is needed before our next game.
I know people always put up their teams but this is mine and why.

GK Reina- I'm not totally convinced but think he has shown promise. Was unlucky with the penalty yesterday, a potential result changing moment.

LB Warnock- I like Traore but he seems like the type of lad who would be affected by a bad error. Warnock has much to learn but in a 4-4-2 it is important that the full-backs can overlap etc. Djimi can't so Warnock gets the nod.

CB's- Well we've only got two at the club so no point in waffling on about this selection, Carragher and Hyppia.

RB- pay no mind to the fella who posted up that Finnan is rubbish. He is either on a wind-up, clueless or both.

RM- I think it's time to move Stevie over. He's brilliant there anyway and is the one central midfielder we have who is properly capable of playing there.

CM's- Alonso as the sitter, Sissoko as the box to box man. Not two sitters please, let's use Sissoko's engine.

LM- Please no "but he's not a winger" comments. Riise. I know he's not a winger, but he IS a good left-sided midfield player who gives the team plenty.

Forwards- note the plural, Crouch and probably Cisse just over Pongolle.

I think the system of 4-4-2 with Gerrard and Riise as the wide midfielders gives us stability in defence. It gives us energy through the middle if Sissoko is encouraged to roam, along with passing accuracy and ball-retention from Alonso. Up front, we have the double option of hitting it long for Crouch or playing Cisse in behind to use his pace.
There's no place in my team for our next game for Luis Garcia, one of my favourite players. I think he is due a spot on the bench to consider properly his role in the squad. I thought he was very disappointing yesterday. My formation is not innovative or clever, it's simply about playing people in their best positions (with the obvious exception of Gerrard). I think it's the way to go, now.

Mick I agree with everything except with Riise being played on the LM. I really don't care if he's a good left sided midfield player, we need a player on the wing who can get past his man consistantly and make good delieveries to the box to our strikers. Riise imo is not that player.

On another note, I don't think that Benitez will change his formation.

by **JBG** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:27 pm

woof woof ! wrote:
JohnBull wrote:Shyt Happens - Such Is Life

Sounds like a line from a Cheeky Girls song.

by **115-1073096938** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:08 am

Can anyone name a better side than Chelsea then?

by **Mikz** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:52 am

There isnt one,not even Milan or juve -not se much eye candy but pure strength.

by **76-1115222408** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:56 am

stu_the_red wrote:Can anyone name a better side than Chelsea then?

Juventus

by **JohnBull** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 2:05 am

Get yourself a good sat system and watch what's coming out of South America - some brilliant friggin football sides that would laugh at the premiership teams (apart from the wages).
There is not much in Europe apart from Murdoch's 30 pieces of silver.

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