bigmick wrote:It's a good job players don't read the forums it would destroy them. Saying that "take away his goals and Garcia has been sh!te" is a bit like saying take away Carra's tackles and he's been sh!te. It's daft and silly.
Yes he's lightwieght, yes he gives the ball away too often and yes, he scored home and away against Leverkusen, he scored against Juve (not a bad goal as I remember) and he scored against Chelsea. Actually, come to think of it he didn't score in the final so you may have a point, maybe he is sh!te after all.
This is one guy who needs and deserves time to adapt. He's shown you all lads that he can play so sit back and enjoy, he's going to become a fantastic player for us.
MilitiaRusher wrote:Garcia: Though he himself chipped in a more then a fair share of goals in his debut season (8 Premiership 5 Champions League), he loses the ball far too often. He is lightweight and is easily brushed aside by strong and aggressive Premiership defenders. Hopefully next year we will see him come to terms with the playing style and aspects of the Premiership. Also, despite his decent goal scoring record, he does seem to miss the target a lot of often then usual. Sometimes he is simply being way too ambitious when trying to take a shot, which most likely goes onto the stands. Probably his decent goal scoring record simply reflects the number of goal scoring opportunities he had throughout the season (due to being in good positions in the right time), rather then reflecting his geniune goal scoring abilities, which I hope he can prove me wrong.
Alonso: Worth the 10 million Rafa paid Real Sociedad for. Passing, both short and long, are sublimal, not to mention the rate of success. However, just like Garcia, he has to improve his physical and perhaps defensive aspect of his game. As we could see, he still does have occasional problems in adapting to the physical style of play in the Premiership. Occaisionally when we play different oppositions, particularly stronger teams, Alonso does not seem to be capable to control the midfield as well, and as a result, giving the opposition lots of possession and the whole team would need to dig deep to defend. This has happened a several times in the Champions League as well, such as the Juventus and Chelsea games away. In both of this games, our team just seemed to be digging to deeply, allowing the opposition much of the possession. In the future, Alonso should get more physical and be more ready in dictating and controlling the play, which we have already seen many times.
Nunez: Included in the deal which brought Owen the other way, Nunez just doesnt seem to be a natural football player (maybe a bit of prejudice here). He just does not look confident enoguh on the ball and does tend to bring the ball into too awkward places, which usually results in simiarly awkward crosses. Nevertheless, he has made some contribution to our team and could somtimes add more movement and versatility into the right wing. He does seem to be a pretty decent header of the ball, better then some other players in our team. Hopefully next season he can come in terms with the physical aspect of the Premiership, and hopefully mature as a right winger in general.
Josemi: A 3 million worth right fullback from Malaga, he does look uncomfortable playing in the Premiership. Generally, he has not adapted to the pace and aggression of the Premiership style. Becuase of this, he sometimes tries too much, in fact trying beyond his ability, in ambitious tackles, which very often resulted in yellow cards. However, he is not a lost cause yet and hope to see him perform to his full potential, providing Finnan some healthy competition for the right fullback spot.
Ace Ventura wrote:MilitiaRusher wrote:Garcia: Though he himself chipped in a more then a fair share of goals in his debut season (8 Premiership 5 Champions League), he loses the ball far too often. He is lightweight and is easily brushed aside by strong and aggressive Premiership defenders. Hopefully next year we will see him come to terms with the playing style and aspects of the Premiership. Also, despite his decent goal scoring record, he does seem to miss the target a lot of often then usual. Sometimes he is simply being way too ambitious when trying to take a shot, which most likely goes onto the stands. Probably his decent goal scoring record simply reflects the number of goal scoring opportunities he had throughout the season (due to being in good positions in the right time), rather then reflecting his geniune goal scoring abilities, which I hope he can prove me wrong.
Alonso: Worth the 10 million Rafa paid Real Sociedad for. Passing, both short and long, are sublimal, not to mention the rate of success. However, just like Garcia, he has to improve his physical and perhaps defensive aspect of his game. As we could see, he still does have occasional problems in adapting to the physical style of play in the Premiership. Occaisionally when we play different oppositions, particularly stronger teams, Alonso does not seem to be capable to control the midfield as well, and as a result, giving the opposition lots of possession and the whole team would need to dig deep to defend. This has happened a several times in the Champions League as well, such as the Juventus and Chelsea games away. In both of this games, our team just seemed to be digging to deeply, allowing the opposition much of the possession. In the future, Alonso should get more physical and be more ready in dictating and controlling the play, which we have already seen many times.
Nunez: Included in the deal which brought Owen the other way, Nunez just doesnt seem to be a natural football player (maybe a bit of prejudice here). He just does not look confident enoguh on the ball and does tend to bring the ball into too awkward places, which usually results in simiarly awkward crosses. Nevertheless, he has made some contribution to our team and could somtimes add more movement and versatility into the right wing. He does seem to be a pretty decent header of the ball, better then some other players in our team. Hopefully next season he can come in terms with the physical aspect of the Premiership, and hopefully mature as a right winger in general.
Josemi: A 3 million worth right fullback from Malaga, he does look uncomfortable playing in the Premiership. Generally, he has not adapted to the pace and aggression of the Premiership style. Becuase of this, he sometimes tries too much, in fact trying beyond his ability, in ambitious tackles, which very often resulted in yellow cards. However, he is not a lost cause yet and hope to see him perform to his full potential, providing Finnan some healthy competition for the right fullback spot.
Disagree with most of this, Garcia's shooting is the one aspect of his game that is generally spot on, i dont remember many shots that have ended up in the stands.
I do remember strikes from outside the area against Charlton, Juventus and Spurs.
Alonso away to Juventus, on his comeback game won so many tackles and never backed out, i know that wasnt the Premiership but he gave his all.
Nunez oming to terms with the physical aspect of the premiership next season ?
That is the only aspect that he seems to be ok with...technically he has struggled but he gets stuck in, he is not like a spanish player at all...more a first divison engliash player.
Josemi was 2 million not 3.
MilitiaRusher wrote:Ace Ventura wrote:MilitiaRusher wrote:Garcia: Though he himself chipped in a more then a fair share of goals in his debut season (8 Premiership 5 Champions League), he loses the ball far too often. He is lightweight and is easily brushed aside by strong and aggressive Premiership defenders. Hopefully next year we will see him come to terms with the playing style and aspects of the Premiership. Also, despite his decent goal scoring record, he does seem to miss the target a lot of often then usual. Sometimes he is simply being way too ambitious when trying to take a shot, which most likely goes onto the stands. Probably his decent goal scoring record simply reflects the number of goal scoring opportunities he had throughout the season (due to being in good positions in the right time), rather then reflecting his geniune goal scoring abilities, which I hope he can prove me wrong.
Alonso: Worth the 10 million Rafa paid Real Sociedad for. Passing, both short and long, are sublimal, not to mention the rate of success. However, just like Garcia, he has to improve his physical and perhaps defensive aspect of his game. As we could see, he still does have occasional problems in adapting to the physical style of play in the Premiership. Occaisionally when we play different oppositions, particularly stronger teams, Alonso does not seem to be capable to control the midfield as well, and as a result, giving the opposition lots of possession and the whole team would need to dig deep to defend. This has happened a several times in the Champions League as well, such as the Juventus and Chelsea games away. In both of this games, our team just seemed to be digging to deeply, allowing the opposition much of the possession. In the future, Alonso should get more physical and be more ready in dictating and controlling the play, which we have already seen many times.
Nunez: Included in the deal which brought Owen the other way, Nunez just doesnt seem to be a natural football player (maybe a bit of prejudice here). He just does not look confident enoguh on the ball and does tend to bring the ball into too awkward places, which usually results in simiarly awkward crosses. Nevertheless, he has made some contribution to our team and could somtimes add more movement and versatility into the right wing. He does seem to be a pretty decent header of the ball, better then some other players in our team. Hopefully next season he can come in terms with the physical aspect of the Premiership, and hopefully mature as a right winger in general.
Josemi: A 3 million worth right fullback from Malaga, he does look uncomfortable playing in the Premiership. Generally, he has not adapted to the pace and aggression of the Premiership style. Becuase of this, he sometimes tries too much, in fact trying beyond his ability, in ambitious tackles, which very often resulted in yellow cards. However, he is not a lost cause yet and hope to see him perform to his full potential, providing Finnan some healthy competition for the right fullback spot.
Disagree with most of this, Garcia's shooting is the one aspect of his game that is generally spot on, i dont remember many shots that have ended up in the stands.
I do remember strikes from outside the area against Charlton, Juventus and Spurs.
Alonso away to Juventus, on his comeback game won so many tackles and never backed out, i know that wasnt the Premiership but he gave his all.
Nunez oming to terms with the physical aspect of the premiership next season ?
That is the only aspect that he seems to be ok with...technically he has struggled but he gets stuck in, he is not like a spanish player at all...more a first divison engliash player.
Josemi was 2 million not 3.
Yes, I can agree Garcia has been scoring some spectacular ones, but you cannot hide the fact that he misses the target very often. Just in the first half of Istanbul, it is clear that he missed a target awfully once.
Ace Ventura wrote:MilitiaRusher wrote:Ace Ventura wrote:MilitiaRusher wrote:Garcia: Though he himself chipped in a more then a fair share of goals in his debut season (8 Premiership 5 Champions League), he loses the ball far too often. He is lightweight and is easily brushed aside by strong and aggressive Premiership defenders. Hopefully next year we will see him come to terms with the playing style and aspects of the Premiership. Also, despite his decent goal scoring record, he does seem to miss the target a lot of often then usual. Sometimes he is simply being way too ambitious when trying to take a shot, which most likely goes onto the stands. Probably his decent goal scoring record simply reflects the number of goal scoring opportunities he had throughout the season (due to being in good positions in the right time), rather then reflecting his geniune goal scoring abilities, which I hope he can prove me wrong.
Alonso: Worth the 10 million Rafa paid Real Sociedad for. Passing, both short and long, are sublimal, not to mention the rate of success. However, just like Garcia, he has to improve his physical and perhaps defensive aspect of his game. As we could see, he still does have occasional problems in adapting to the physical style of play in the Premiership. Occaisionally when we play different oppositions, particularly stronger teams, Alonso does not seem to be capable to control the midfield as well, and as a result, giving the opposition lots of possession and the whole team would need to dig deep to defend. This has happened a several times in the Champions League as well, such as the Juventus and Chelsea games away. In both of this games, our team just seemed to be digging to deeply, allowing the opposition much of the possession. In the future, Alonso should get more physical and be more ready in dictating and controlling the play, which we have already seen many times.
Nunez: Included in the deal which brought Owen the other way, Nunez just doesnt seem to be a natural football player (maybe a bit of prejudice here). He just does not look confident enoguh on the ball and does tend to bring the ball into too awkward places, which usually results in simiarly awkward crosses. Nevertheless, he has made some contribution to our team and could somtimes add more movement and versatility into the right wing. He does seem to be a pretty decent header of the ball, better then some other players in our team. Hopefully next season he can come in terms with the physical aspect of the Premiership, and hopefully mature as a right winger in general.
Josemi: A 3 million worth right fullback from Malaga, he does look uncomfortable playing in the Premiership. Generally, he has not adapted to the pace and aggression of the Premiership style. Becuase of this, he sometimes tries too much, in fact trying beyond his ability, in ambitious tackles, which very often resulted in yellow cards. However, he is not a lost cause yet and hope to see him perform to his full potential, providing Finnan some healthy competition for the right fullback spot.
Disagree with most of this, Garcia's shooting is the one aspect of his game that is generally spot on, i dont remember many shots that have ended up in the stands.
I do remember strikes from outside the area against Charlton, Juventus and Spurs.
Alonso away to Juventus, on his comeback game won so many tackles and never backed out, i know that wasnt the Premiership but he gave his all.
Nunez oming to terms with the physical aspect of the premiership next season ?
That is the only aspect that he seems to be ok with...technically he has struggled but he gets stuck in, he is not like a spanish player at all...more a first divison engliash player.
Josemi was 2 million not 3.
Yes, I can agree Garcia has been scoring some spectacular ones, but you cannot hide the fact that he misses the target very often. Just in the first half of Istanbul, it is clear that he missed a target awfully once.
he missed the target badly once ?
That must mean his shooting is poor
MilitiaRusher wrote:Garcia: Though he himself chipped in a more then a fair share of goals in his debut season (8 Premiership 5 Champions League), he loses the ball far too often. He is lightweight and is easily brushed aside by strong and aggressive Premiership defenders. Hopefully next year we will see him come to terms with the playing style and aspects of the Premiership. Also, despite his decent goal scoring record, he does seem to miss the target a lot of often then usual. Sometimes he is simply being way too ambitious when trying to take a shot, which most likely goes onto the stands. Probably his decent goal scoring record simply reflects the number of goal scoring opportunities he had throughout the season (due to being in good positions in the right time), rather then reflecting his geniune goal scoring abilities, which I hope he can prove me wrong.
Alonso: Worth the 10 million Rafa paid Real Sociedad for. Passing, both short and long, are sublimal, not to mention the rate of success. However, just like Garcia, he has to improve his physical and perhaps defensive aspect of his game. As we could see, he still does have occasional problems in adapting to the physical style of play in the Premiership. Occaisionally when we play different oppositions, particularly stronger teams, Alonso does not seem to be capable to control the midfield as well, and as a result, giving the opposition lots of possession and the whole team would need to dig deep to defend. This has happened a several times in the Champions League as well, such as the Juventus and Chelsea games away. In both of this games, our team just seemed to be digging to deeply, allowing the opposition much of the possession. In the future, Alonso should get more physical and be more ready in dictating and controlling the play, which we have already seen many times.
Nunez: Included in the deal which brought Owen the other way, Nunez just doesnt seem to be a natural football player (maybe a bit of prejudice here). He just does not look confident enoguh on the ball and does tend to bring the ball into too awkward places, which usually results in simiarly awkward crosses. Nevertheless, he has made some contribution to our team and could somtimes add more movement and versatility into the right wing. He does seem to be a pretty decent header of the ball, better then some other players in our team. Hopefully next season he can come in terms with the physical aspect of the Premiership, and hopefully mature as a right winger in general.
Josemi: A 3 million worth right fullback from Malaga, he does look uncomfortable playing in the Premiership. Generally, he has not adapted to the pace and aggression of the Premiership style. Becuase of this, he sometimes tries too much, in fact trying beyond his ability, in ambitious tackles, which very often resulted in yellow cards. However, he is not a lost cause yet and hope to see him perform to his full potential, providing Finnan some healthy competition for the right fullback spot.
Galactico wrote:Uh...... OK felllas he made a mistake but can we get to my point!!!
Are you all happy about the huge influx of apparently only Spanish players, again dont get me wrong, thier players are wonderfully gifted but can they handle the likes of birmingham and blackburn etc. I personally dont think!!! so look at our league performance? YES we had injuries but because of those injuries we brought the best out of the likes of Biscan and Traore not to mention Finnan( Rafa u genius!!) However though we still ended up 39 points behind Chelsea? Liverpool style suits Europe simple. Now we need a formula in the premiership and i dont think more Spanish based players in the prem is way forward?
Last year i was on my hols in Barcelona and watched Bar v Real (fantastic!!) But they just dont challenge,and actually became frustrating no sh*t! Tackles, especially premiership ones, do not exist!! And not to mention our football grounds look like a five a side pitch in comparison to Spains.
The mentallity is simple your allowed to look like Pele with relatively no pressure until you reaach the goalmouth a stark contrast to brum whereby you touch the ball and its a "blo0dy act of war!!!!"
banana wrote:MilitiaRusher wrote:Garcia: Though he himself chipped in a more then a fair share of goals in his debut season (8 Premiership 5 Champions League), he loses the ball far too often. He is lightweight and is easily brushed aside by strong and aggressive Premiership defenders. Hopefully next year we will see him come to terms with the playing style and aspects of the Premiership. Also, despite his decent goal scoring record, he does seem to miss the target a lot of often then usual. Sometimes he is simply being way too ambitious when trying to take a shot, which most likely goes onto the stands. Probably his decent goal scoring record simply reflects the number of goal scoring opportunities he had throughout the season (due to being in good positions in the right time), rather then reflecting his geniune goal scoring abilities, which I hope he can prove me wrong.
Alonso: Worth the 10 million Rafa paid Real Sociedad for. Passing, both short and long, are sublimal, not to mention the rate of success. However, just like Garcia, he has to improve his physical and perhaps defensive aspect of his game. As we could see, he still does have occasional problems in adapting to the physical style of play in the Premiership. Occaisionally when we play different oppositions, particularly stronger teams, Alonso does not seem to be capable to control the midfield as well, and as a result, giving the opposition lots of possession and the whole team would need to dig deep to defend. This has happened a several times in the Champions League as well, such as the Juventus and Chelsea games away. In both of this games, our team just seemed to be digging to deeply, allowing the opposition much of the possession. In the future, Alonso should get more physical and be more ready in dictating and controlling the play, which we have already seen many times.
Nunez: Included in the deal which brought Owen the other way, Nunez just doesnt seem to be a natural football player (maybe a bit of prejudice here). He just does not look confident enoguh on the ball and does tend to bring the ball into too awkward places, which usually results in simiarly awkward crosses. Nevertheless, he has made some contribution to our team and could somtimes add more movement and versatility into the right wing. He does seem to be a pretty decent header of the ball, better then some other players in our team. Hopefully next season he can come in terms with the physical aspect of the Premiership, and hopefully mature as a right winger in general.
Josemi: A 3 million worth right fullback from Malaga, he does look uncomfortable playing in the Premiership. Generally, he has not adapted to the pace and aggression of the Premiership style. Becuase of this, he sometimes tries too much, in fact trying beyond his ability, in ambitious tackles, which very often resulted in yellow cards. However, he is not a lost cause yet and hope to see him perform to his full potential, providing Finnan some healthy competition for the right fullback spot.
Must disagree with most of this too.
Garcia is not a bad finisher, he has scored many good goals from various positions. He has used his left foot, his right and his head. And you discredit his abilities by saying:
"Probably his decent goal scoring record simply reflects the number of goal scoring opportunities he had throughout the season (due to being in good positions in the right time), rather then reflecting his geniune goal scoring abilities."
Isn't this just a proof of how important Garcia is? His deep runs, his tremendous work ethic, and his excellent reading of the game enables him to get the ball in good positions? I remember with dread all the stationary holding midfielders we have had over the years, without stamina and willingness to make those runs. Murphy and Diao for instance.
Alonso is in my opinion an excellent all round midfielder. When you discredit his defensive skills I must strongly disagree. He positions himself brilliantly and he is excellent at closing down the opposition. His defensive contribution is in my opinion just as good as his creativity and passing. I can't see how you have come to the conclusion that he gives away possession to the opposition? This really puzzles me.
Josemi/Nunez: Both need more time to adapt. Long injury spells have ruined their season. Let's give them next season to show their worth. Also remember that Nunez + Josemi were cheap aquisitions. £ 2 millions combined. for 2 squad players is a fair trade if you ask me.
As for Alonso, I get your point. I know he is a very classy midfielder and can be able to dictate the play in many different situations. However, I was pointing out that during the CL games against Chelsea and Juventus away, we were perhaps digging a little bit too deep (maybe caused by Gerrard's advanced role, which he is not used to). Perhaps he could take a bigger initiative to push the team forward a little more so taht we would not allow opposition so much possession.
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