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Postby kazza » Sat Aug 05, 2023 6:52 pm

Penguins » Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:30 pm wrote:Here comes the FSG spokesperson again with half truths and misinformation.
HOW did they get money for Allison and VVD??? getting over 200 million for Coutinho and Suarez might have had something to do with it.
Otherwise they'd NEVER stumped up the cash for those players.
But why expect anything else from you...
The team is F'ed for next next with little money spent and no squad depth while our rivals have got even stronger and FSG has always spend next to nothing...

What about Nunez, Gakpo, Diaz and even Konate
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:04 pm

kazza » Sat Aug 05, 2023 5:52 pm wrote:
Penguins » Sat Aug 05, 2023 12:30 pm wrote:Here comes the FSG spokesperson again with half truths and misinformation.
HOW did they get money for Allison and VVD??? getting over 200 million for Coutinho and Suarez might have had something to do with it.
Otherwise they'd NEVER stumped up the cash for those players.
But why expect anything else from you...
The team is F'ed for next next with little money spent and no squad depth while our rivals have got even stronger and FSG has always spend next to nothing...

What about Nunez, Gakpo, Diaz and even Konate


A club of our size has got to buy some players, you only have to look at our nett spend under Jurgen to see that our owners are trying to do everything on the cheap.
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Postby Reg » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:32 pm

We moved on 8 players and replaced them with 2.  Not exactly good planning on the eve of a possible 65 game season eh?
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Postby Doeboy » Sat Aug 05, 2023 11:59 pm

Granted there is just under a month of the window still left but to be honest I was expecting more business to be done by now. I believe Mac Allister and Szoboszlai will prove to be quality signings however with the amount of players/wages we have offloaded, think we needed to be more active/decisive in the market by now.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Aug 06, 2023 3:04 am

I'd say FSG are a nightmare for other clubs to deal with and many would rather not. Southampton want a figure too good to turn down for lavia which is exactly the same thing fans want us to do. They wanted a bidding war when selling VVD and could have got more off city but we got the player to force our move. They weren't happy about all that and maybe now they are playing hardball as a result.  If someone else is willing to pay more then I don't see why they should accept our valuation.

There was never any intention of spending big money this year and bringing in loads of players. They lost out on CL money which means either they speculate or cut costs and they will take the latter option every day. The club doesn't have the money unless they take out loans or the owners pump it in which they won't because they are looking for someone else's money to do it.  They will keep kicking the can down the road spending only the bare minimum until they get it.

I'd expect at least one more mid and a young prospect at CH to come in. That's the bare minimum needed imo and even then we will be hoping for no injuries.
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Postby Reg » Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:13 am

One more if we're lucky otherwise that's it guys. And this is our plan to get back into CL?

Thiago, Jones, Gomez, Matip are injury prone. Fingers crossed lads.

Just to remind you of our first 9 fixtures, only 4 of which are at home....
13 Aug 4:30 pm PR Chelsea (A) -
19 Aug 3:00 pm PR Bournemouth (H) -
27 Aug 4:30 pm PR Newcastle (A) -
03 Sep 2:00 pm PR Aston Villa (H) -
16 Sep 12:30 pmPR Wolves (A) -
24 Sep 2:00 pm PR West Ham (H) -
30 Sep 5:30 pm PR Tottenham (A) -
07 Oct 3:00 pm PR Brighton (A) -
21 Oct 3:00 pm PR Everton (H)
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:05 pm

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/08/b ... underdogs/

This is what gets me and most fans seem OK with it. They own some of the biggest names in sport and collect among the biggest revenues but run them like they are bottom table clubs. Always having to compete with limited squads and budgets like the small clubs do. I know we can't match City etc but our net spend over the years has been really poor. With an average net spend of 30 to 40 mil per year it was only a matter of time before others caught up.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Aug 06, 2023 6:19 pm

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2023/08/l ... er-league/

It's impossible for us to manage all competitions with that. We really need to make a few signings unless the plan is to go with a smaller squad. If it is I'm sure that will be because Jurgen wants it that way and not FSG being a pack of cheap fookers.
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Postby kazza » Sun Aug 06, 2023 7:51 pm

We talk about net spend on players but how much have the owners spent on developing the training facilities (which brings no revenue) and the stadium. Talking about them being cheap because of how much they have spent on players is one dimensional as we rank high on salaries paid and they have spent a lot on developing the infrastructure of the club. Compared to ManUre who have so much more revenue than us and spent nothing on Old Trafford and their training facilities but spent a lot on players. Arsenal have only just started to spend money after years paying for their new stadium.

I’m not disagreeing with anyone about net spend not being enough but I don’t think it tells the full story, I don’t see the club making hundreds of millions every year that is getting pocketed by the owners. Fair is fair!
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Aug 06, 2023 8:46 pm

They are sitting on £3 billion in equity mate, they bought us for a song and when they finally sell up and walk away they will trouser billions. We got to 3 CL finals in 6 years and barely spent a penny in the transfer market.
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Postby UvS xR4GEx » Sun Aug 06, 2023 9:44 pm

This is what annoys me. They spend what we earn and eventually walk away with 3bn profit. How does that benefit us as a club? Every thing they have done is to benefit them and them alone in the long run.

We apparently have the smallest squad in the Premier league for the upcoming season.

FSG won't spend another penny this transfer window, yet they'll expect us to cheer and push the team beyond expectations. The morale at the club must be so slow after another absolutely pathetic transfer window.
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Postby red till i die!! » Sun Aug 06, 2023 11:24 pm

kazza wrote:We talk about net spend on players but how much have the owners spent on developing the training facilities (which brings no revenue) and the stadium. Talking about them being cheap because of how much they have spent on players is one dimensional as we rank high on salaries paid and they have spent a lot on developing the infrastructure of the club. Compared to ManUre who have so much more revenue than us and spent nothing on Old Trafford and their training facilities but spent a lot on players. Arsenal have only just started to spend money after years paying for their new stadium.

I’m not disagreeing with anyone about net spend not being enough but I don’t think it tells the full story, I don’t see the club making hundreds of millions every year that is getting pocketed by the owners. Fair is fair!


Over the last few years our earnings aren't that far behind Manure mate. Think we might have eclipsed them one of the years as well. They aren't a great gauge though considering the Glazers are apparently fleecing the place. They pay considerably more than us in transfer fees and wages as well. The stadium upgrade is brilliant along with the training but the club pays for that off its own back. There isn't that gap anymore to them but we have opened up a massive one ahead of Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs.

The wage bill is very vague mate. It's a figure representative of the whole club and its right up there with City who pay lots of players bigger money than we do. It's the same when some say we paid it out in bonuses but again no one knows who got what.

No one knows what's going on behind the scenes mate but it's not right that we have those policies for so long and are struggling to spend something like 150mil in a window when it's badly needed. They are the ones who neglected the team and gave out silly contracts. They might have been caught off guard with the Saudi moves but they have been known since start of preseason and we had plenty of time to replace. Instead it's cost cutting and kicking the can down the road till we either qualify for the CL or get that investment. If we don't get either then we will continue to wheel and deal while cutting costs.

Imo Mate the stadium stuff and extra sponsorship is absolutely fantastic work but that would have been the goal of any new owners. They absolutely neglect the team which is where everything emanates from. There could have been better owners at the time interested and there is certainly better out there now but this lot will never leave. Strange that when it makes them no money.
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Postby Reg » Mon Aug 07, 2023 4:00 pm

I just can't see how we expect to come top 4 next season and get back into the CL playing a gang of untried 20 game-career youngsters. Pep must be laughing his socks off.
This new director of football.. this is his plan?
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Postby UvS xR4GEx » Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:04 pm

Our third and "final" bid of £45m for Lavia has been rejected by Southampton. They are sticking to the valuation of £50m and won't budge.

We need to either pay the £50m or move on. All this time wasting isn't doing us or Southampton any favours.
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Postby damjan193 » Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:15 pm

As if Lavia is the only DM out there. Either pay what they're asking or move on to someone else. If we don't get a DM in this window we're screwed though.
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