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However dispicable some of the tactics are and despite the fact that I never trusted his face, I am always looking for the good in people and I have to say that I feel for him much the same as I felt for Torres. It's v. easy to demonise these guys, as much as it is to hero worship and I think we forget that these are largely young and relatively inexperienced kids we're talking about. They don't have the same life lessons that we do and obviously your values are derived from that. I would challenge how intelligent either he or Torres really are and the deck that they are playing with in these circumstances. Clearly they both got v. bad advice and I hold agents much more accountable than them to be honest.

I always felt the same about Owen when he moved out and let's not forget that Gerrard was a good as gone to Chelsea as well. These are all people who have probably never failed at anything and are surrounded by people telling them that they are fantastic, undervalued and worth more than anyone else. It's not too disimilar from the rock star principle where they haven't so much lost touch with reality, success and fortune has always been their reality. In the way that Suarez words the urgency to be in the CL as he is 26 and next year he'll be 27, I can understand that urgency at his age as he doesn't see a year as being a relatively small time span. I think that's played on by the agents and he's missed the overarching message from the club which is that you don't know what you've got till you've lost it, a year is not that long and good things will come, be it here, or elsewhere. Stevie was swayed to stay at the last minute and clearly that was the experience from which he spoke this week in the press. He's been rewarded by the status at the club, but I wonder if he felt he made the right decision. I think evaluation of such decisions changes over time...you view things differently at 37 than 27. When you're coming to the twilight of your career, you're happy that you're still a major contender (Gerrard) playing at a high level, rather than a bench warmer (Owen).....at 26/7 my guess is they both viewed the world the same way having followed v. similar paths. Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

I just put this forward to put the person in question in perspective. You're talking about someone who came from nothing to all of this. The world he comes from is not the media hungry, success, fame and fortune world and I think he has little experience to fall back on. On top of that he's in foreign countries with little roots and support local to him. No excuse perhaps, but very different from an idiot like Joey Barton for instance. Add in that he's a massive talent and we have seen in the past that a lot of things will be overlooked because of that. I think it is for a lot of these reasons the BR has time for him and i think it is possible for it all to settle down and for us to continue the relationship. Is it damaged irrevocably? Time will tell, but if he does stay and we hit CL football by the end of the season, the world will look v. different and a lot will be 'forgotten'.

For me LFC have always known their rights, I think their position and communication has been clear, concise and only when needed. I think they have always been in control and have handled the situation as best as they can. If Suarez does move on, it will be on their terms and it could even be when we make CL footy next yr, but it will be on our terms I think. Probably the closest comparison is Rooney....Suarez will be afforded at lot at the moment because we need him. We won't find ourselves so vulnerable in 1-2 yrs time I don't think.

Would love to see some name signings coming in now to reinforce the point.

Let's hope Benny that they're prepared to blow at a v. high price....50 mill doesnt' cover what Suarez is worth to us in my opinion.

I do agree that if he is to go, we should get that over and done with. When BR talked about looking to get the right price, it does seem that they're prepared to move him on. Interesting to see how we spend 50+mill this time around

What we think he is worth though isn't what clubs are willing to pay - he is at the same level as Cavani and Falcao and they went for around £55mil - but they don't carry a lot of baggage that reduces the fee we could get. It's why a lot of clubs won't go near him despite his obvious talent

Only an idiot would allow Suarez to go to Arsenal for £40m regardless of the baggage that he carries. Next no doubt somebody will try and convince me that selling Van Persie to Manchester United to help them win the league title was a fkg good idea. And to think said idiot has the audacity to criticise FSG, BR and Ian Ayres who I guess do considerably more with their lives than spending all day everyday on football forums.

devaney » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:31 am wrote:Only an idiot would allow Suarez to go to Arsenal for £40m regardless of the baggage that he carries. Next no doubt somebody will try and convince me that selling Van Persie to Manchester United to help them win the league title was a fkg good idea. And to think said idiot has the audacity to criticise FSG, BR and Ian Ayres who I guess do considerably more with their lives than spending all day everyday on football forums.

Totally agree, we have to view Arsenal as a rival for 4th, we have to start the season with a positive attitude and belief that we can get that champions league place. We must never sell as good a player as Suarez is to a rival, that is just bloody stupid. Man City on the other hand is not a direct rival so I would have no problem selling him to them, although how he'd fit in with that team of egomaniacs is beyond me, but not my concern.

The club should fine him for his actions. 4 weeks wages.

tubby » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:19 pm wrote:The club should fine him for his actions. 4 weeks wages.

I thought clubs can only fine players a maximum of 2 weeks and I'm not sure what grounds we could fine him under ? He had just said he wants to leave ? Is that a finable offence

Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:21 am wrote:

tubby » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:19 pm wrote:The club should fine him for his actions. 4 weeks wages.

I thought clubs can only fine players a maximum of 2 weeks and I'm not sure what grounds we could fine him under ? He had just said he wants to leave ? Is that a finable offence

He should be fined for being an ungrateful little sh.it.

Well you can fine them all for that.

Suarez has had a pasting in the press today. Henry Winter in the Telegraph right up there labeling him as 'Toxic'
LFC seem to have captured the higher ground, but how to stay there?

Sell to Arsenal at £40m - no effeing chance!
Sell to RM or Juventus for a knock down £20m - Get's rid of problem but with no compensation.
Sell to other Wealthy European Side - as yet no other offers of interest.
Keep in reserves or on bench until he apologies and decides to put a shift in - unlikely to happen.
Keep for a season as a disinterest disruptive passenger and sell, but again at reduced price.
Sell to Arsenal for £50m - not wise, but most likely of the options to happen!

Hard to see any satisfactory way out of this mess and what happens when he put's in a transfer request?  I don't think we have to sell at any price.
Knowing the business culture of the Americans, they will go for as much money as they can obtain which makes a sale to Arsenal at near £50m a probability, but if Arsenal do not raise their bid i think he will fester around Anfield until the next window where his price has fallen enough to make him an attractive proposition to someone prepared to take a reputational risk.

I think we will not sell him only for 50mil +
the club has taken the hard line and have backing over this now.

we can always take another line and fine him a full wage for 12 weeks, saves our wage bill and the window is shut lol.

lets face it I still have a problem with clubs that pay players when they are banned by the FA.
The guy tried to take a bite out of another player so I do see why we should pay him anyway.

would selling him to Ar$nel be really that bad? I mean, he'll miss the first 6 games anyway, then he'll do something stupid again and probably miss a bunch of other games during the season.
£50m would be a good amount of money to bolster the first team up.

lakes10 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 1:22 pm wrote:I think we will not sell him only for 50mil +
the club has taken the hard line and have backing over this now.

we can always take another line and fine him a full wage for 12 weeks, saves our wage bill and the window is shut lol.

lets face it I still have a problem with clubs that pay players when they are banned by the FA.
The guy tried to take a bite out of another player so I do see why we should pay him anyway.

Can't just fine players because they are banned ! We already fined him once for the incident

Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:21 am wrote:

tubby » Thu Aug 08, 2013 12:19 pm wrote:The club should fine him for his actions. 4 weeks wages.

I thought clubs can only fine players a maximum of 2 weeks and I'm not sure what grounds we could fine him under ? He had just said he wants to leave ? Is that a finable offence

Surely bringing your club and manager into disrepute must be finable. If I was Brendan I'd sue the little turd for defamation of character and slander as well.

They can't fine him because he has asked to leave.