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So you avoid my question then

We need an SOS sugar daddy thread

Greavesie » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:28 pm wrote:So you avoid my question then

We need an SOS sugar daddy thread

Which question ? The one about winning the title within 3 summers - buy quality players funded by the owners own money as they are all billionaires. Then have a top quality manager mould them together.

2 out of the last three title winners have done it that way.

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:32 pm wrote:

Greavesie » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:28 pm wrote:So you avoid my question then

We need an SOS sugar daddy thread

Which question ? The one about winning the title within 3 summers - buy quality players funded by the owners own money as they are all billionaires. Then have a top quality manager mould them together.

2 out of the last three title winners have done it that way.

So your trust to our owners amounts as far as how much of their own money they invest into the squad?

They are a long way from gaining any trust.

Investing in the squad will go along way to showing that they have ambitions and intent to get into the CL for a start. Showing that sort of intent might actually persuade Suarez to want to stay and will also ensure we don't go through the same thing with other players

They could also start to actually do something about a stadium as well. That would show they actually mean what they say.

I hear Benny's frustration. However I think the money has been there but we have overpaid on players who for me haven't been up to standard. Downing and Carroll were absolutely shocking buys. They were never good enough for where we want to be and to make matters worse we had our pants pulled down with the fees paid for them. Henderson has potential but was nowhere near worth the money we paid for him.

Likewise Borini showed me nothing last season that he will make it at us. Again we paid over the odd's for Allen. He showed glimpses of what he can do but he is not worth £15m imo. Sturridge and Coutinho look like bargains and although they help counter some of the bad business we have done, overall we have had an absolute shocker when it comes to incomings - buying players who are not good enough combined with playing over the top fees.

We just haven't shown any shrewdness or guile in the market. The comparison with Spurs is a good one. A club who are not in the CL but they managed to sign 2 central midfielder in Dembele and Paulinho for around £32m combined while we went and signed Allen and Henderson for a total of £35m. I know which pair I'd rather have in our midfield

That is a good point - we did spend a lot early doors but wasted it on poor players and then continued again until we actually bought some quality in the Jan - but again this summer we have spent £25mil and haven't really bought anyone who will really take the club forward. We have bought players where we already had good youngsters filling squad places then sent the youngster out on loan ( Alberto/Suso) , we are looking for loan deals ! And even the Costa deal doesn't look anywhere near happening so that could be another false deal like Mhyktaran. It's not very inspiring

Doeboy » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:18 pm wrote:I hear Benny's frustration. However I think the money has been there but we have overpaid on players who for me haven't been up to standard. Downing and Carroll were absolutely shocking buys. They were never good enough for where we want to be and to make matters worse we had our pants pulled down with the fees paid for them. Henderson has potential but was nowhere near worth the money we paid for him.

Likewise Borini showed me nothing last season that he will make it at us. Again we paid over the odd's for Allen. He showed glimpses of what he can do but he is not worth £15m imo. Sturridge and Coutinho look like bargains and although they help counter some of the bad business we have done, overall we have had an absolute shocker when it comes to incomings - buying players who are not good enough combined with playing over the top fees.

We just haven't shown any shrewdness or guile in the market. The comparison with Spurs is a good one. A club who are not in the CL but they managed to sign 2 central midfielder in Dembele and Paulinho for around £32m combined while we went and signed Allen and Henderson for a total of £35m. I know which pair I'd rather have in our midfield

I wouldn't be so quick to praise Spurs mate.

Dembele I agree is quality and they got a good deal there.  Likewise Vertonghen.

Paulinho was a lot of money and considering he bombed when he tried his luck in Europe before, I don't think he's a guaranteed success in England.  I might be wrong.  But he hasn't kicked a ball for them yet so can't be called a good signing.

Then there's the 26 million they've just spent on a striker who turns 29 this season and who again is unproven in this league.  I predict that's going to prove a bad buy, but we'll see.

Some of AVB's other signings have been average to poor.  Dempsey was ok (but now sold), while Holtby, Sigurdssson and Lloris I don't think are upgrades on what they already had.

It was their transfer dealings pre-AVB that put them in such a strong position - Friedel, Parker, Modric, Bale, Defoe, Gallas, Dawson, Van der Vaart and Lennon were/are all great value for money.  I think AVB is a decent manager but he inherited a strong squad and I'm yet to be convinced by his transfer dealings since he came in.  Redknapp doesn't get enough credit for the job he did there - they were fighting relegation when he came in and he also converted Bale from a left back into one of the best attacking players in world football.

Lloris was quality for them last season mate and I have to disagree in regards Soldaldo - he is a perfect fit for the Prem and his age is no problem - lets not forget that last summer the Mancs spent over 20mil on a 30year old only for him to fire them to the title.

The Spurs squad looks fully prepared to get CL - they might have a problem with Vertonghon - he might be out for six months ( not sure why they sold Caulker though ).

Dempsey did ok , Siggurdsson didn't get going and same with Holtby.

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:54 pm wrote:Lloris was quality for them last season mate and I have to disagree in regards Soldaldo - he is a perfect fit for the Prem and his age is no problem - lets not forget that last summer the Mancs spent over 20mil on a 30year old only for him to fire them to the title.

The Spurs squad looks fully prepared to get CL - they might have a problem with Vertonghon - he might be out for six months ( not sure why they sold Caulker though ).

Dempsey did ok , Siggurdsson didn't get going and same with Holtby.

I think they're looking weak at the moment, depending on who else they bring in and what happens with Bale to be honest.

They have one centre back at the moment (Dawson).  Caulker is off, Gallas released, Kaboul has had a knee reconstructed and isn't fit, while like you say Vertonghen has a bad injury too.

We'll see about Soldado.  Same with Negredo at City -if either are that good why the hell have Spain played without a striker in recent years?!  Take your point on Van Persie, but he had played most of his career in this league.  Spurs could end up getting burnt here with a Morientes-esque scenario, where the player just doesn't adapt.  And he has no sell-on value at his age either.  Rather them than us is all I'm saying.

Didn't Soldaldo play for Spain during the Conf Cup ?

Before that Torres was their striker ? They only really played the false 9 stuff for a couple of games

Soldaldo has the ability for the prem and is IMO perfect for the prem

And another that does concern me is the "sell on value " - that's something new with the owners. Surely we shouldn't be looking to ensure we only get players that we can get money back for later ! We will then close half the market off. If Soldaldo gets them to the CL then he has paid of his fee and more - they won't care about sell on value. If we are only going to get players that have "sell on value" then we do close ourselves off to the experienced proven players

john craig » Mon Aug 05, 2013 8:47 pm wrote:

Doeboy » Mon Aug 05, 2013 7:18 pm wrote:I hear Benny's frustration. However I think the money has been there but we have overpaid on players who for me haven't been up to standard. Downing and Carroll were absolutely shocking buys. They were never good enough for where we want to be and to make matters worse we had our pants pulled down with the fees paid for them. Henderson has potential but was nowhere near worth the money we paid for him.

Likewise Borini showed me nothing last season that he will make it at us. Again we paid over the odd's for Allen. He showed glimpses of what he can do but he is not worth £15m imo. Sturridge and Coutinho look like bargains and although they help counter some of the bad business we have done, overall we have had an absolute shocker when it comes to incomings - buying players who are not good enough combined with playing over the top fees.

We just haven't shown any shrewdness or guile in the market. The comparison with Spurs is a good one. A club who are not in the CL but they managed to sign 2 central midfielder in Dembele and Paulinho for around £32m combined while we went and signed Allen and Henderson for a total of £35m. I know which pair I'd rather have in our midfield

I wouldn't be so quick to praise Spurs mate.

Dembele I agree is quality and they got a good deal there.  Likewise Vertonghen.

Paulinho was a lot of money and considering he bombed when he tried his luck in Europe before, I don't think he's a guaranteed success in England.  I might be wrong.  But he hasn't kicked a ball for them yet so can't be called a good signing.

Then there's the 26 million they've just spent on a striker who turns 29 this season and who again is unproven in this league.  I predict that's going to prove a bad buy, but we'll see.

Some of AVB's other signings have been average to poor.  Dempsey was ok (but now sold), while Holtby, Sigurdssson and Lloris I don't think are upgrades on what they already had.

It was their transfer dealings pre-AVB that put them in such a strong position - Friedel, Parker, Modric, Bale, Defoe, Gallas, Dawson, Van der Vaart and Lennon were/are all great value for money.  I think AVB is a decent manager but he inherited a strong squad and I'm yet to be convinced by his transfer dealings since he came in.  Redknapp doesn't get enough credit for the job he did there - they were fighting relegation when he came in and he also converted Bale from a left back into one of the best attacking players in world football.

Sorry, can't really agree with that. Paulinho was a 18-19 year old kid when he first made the move to Europe. It's a transition that is hard enough for well established players from South America let alone a 18-19 year old. He's now a completely different player who is getting into the Brazil team and looked mighty impressive in the confeds cup. Dempsey for £6m odd did ok and by the sounds of it they got their money back. They paid peanuts for Holtby as he had already signed a pre contract with them although not sure he started much for them or not. Not too sure how you can say Lloris isn't an upgrade on Friedel, the guy is a quality keeper. Only one I'd agree on is Sigurdsson.

Daily Mail claiming he is willing to take us to court to force us to accept the Arsenal offer

I have just one question. What kind of an idiot would like to join f*cking Arsenal?! To win trophies? They haven't won a single trophy in years. They can't even win the Emirates cup, a cup that they have invented. Anyone in the right mind can see that this would only be a sideways move and nothing else. If he thinks he's too good for us, why not wait for the big dogs to come looking for him?

Sort of incorrect though as he won a trophy last season and its CL he wants as opposed to just winning trophies


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