Liverpool FC Forum

devaney » Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:36 am wrote:

alwayslfc » Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:32 am wrote:Every time when I commented that FSG are stingy and unwilling to invest heavily, some countered by saying that our net spend have been 3rd highest behind City and manure. I haven't check these accounting figures yet but assuming they're true, there must be a big gulf between us and those 2 other clubs. Why? Because, look at our squad, it is a thin squad which BR admitted and it is so thin such that we have to S.O.S. the youth academy for the teenagers there to play first team football. Sometimes we're playing up to 3 to 4 kids in the first team PL games. If our net spend is anywhere near the 2 who spent more than us, why aren't they fielding kids as well. So we're 3rd highest net spender, though may be true but NOT enough to get us back to glory.

I still hold the belief that if FSG are going to be reluctant to spend over the next 3 windows, they must sell up to someone who can. And that will be the next best thing they can do for Liverpool. I am having doubts about them being good owners. Their Boston Rd.Sx. are down in the pits now in their baseball league table recently.

Were going over old ground and not doubt you will suggest that the argument is wearing a bit thin! However the fact remains that FSG have allowed over £150m to be spent. Forget where it came from, if they were as bad as you make out they could have simply kept the money and bought in the bottom basement. Unfortunately the people responsible for spending most of the money paid top prices and ended up with players that are no better than you would get from the bottom basement. IS IT ANY WONDER THEY ARE BEING CAUTIOUS AFTER BEING CONVINCED THAT CARROLL WAS THE IDEAL REPLACEMENT FOR TORRES AT £35M. Not shouting forgot to take cap lock off - sorry.

Based on the actions of FSG, I'm not convinced they are the right owners to reclaim back the glories. That's why I keep highlighting out they're reluctant to spend. Ya, the 150M were not all fully from them, most of it (yes, it sounds like a broken record now) came from the sale of outgoing players. So we cannot say they had been generous with Kenny. I agree with you that Dalglish and Comolli wasted it on average overpriced players, I've always said that and now we're still suffering the financial repercussions. But they must know they're the owners of a big club with high expectations from fans all over the world, and they cannot afford to be overly cautious because Dalglish and Comolli are now gone for wasting the 120M. The club is under a new manager with new ideas and they should know more about football than before and be able to tell whether the next player BR wants is worthwhile or not and not treat BR like as if he were KD.

People keep quoting the £150M that FSG have spent and that Kenny and Comolli wasted most of that but I think we need to refresh our memories what really happened.

K&C spent about £115M over 3 transfer windows but also also sold players for almost £80M, giving a net spend of about £37M, during this time I think our wage bill increased a bit.

So far Brendan has spent almost £40M and recouped about £7M to give a net spend of about £32M, during this time he's also reduced the wage bill massively, perhaps by about £0.5M per week.

As you can see, the net spend between the two managers is not massively different but now we've also got the wage bill under control which will hopefully allow us to strengthen further in the coming years.

FSG have spent just under £70M in two years, which is obviously £35M per season. I don't think anybody can argue that they seem to be getting the books in order and putting sensible money in to strengthen the squad, which is exactly what we needed after the previous owners.

Basil » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:54 am wrote:People keep quoting the £150M that FSG have spent and that Kenny and Comolli wasted most of that but I think we need to refresh our memories what really happened.

K&C spent about £115M over 3 transfer windows but also also sold players for almost £80M, giving a net spend of about £37M, during this time I think our wage bill increased a bit.

So far Brendan has spent almost £40M and recouped about £7M to give a net spend of about £32M, during this time he's also reduced the wage bill massively, perhaps by about £0.5M per week.

As you can see, the net spend between the two managers is not massively different but now we've also got the wage bill under control which will hopefully allow us to strengthen further in the coming years.

FSG have spent just under £70M in two years, which is obviously £35M per season. I don't think anybody can argue that they seem to be getting the books in order and putting sensible money in to strengthen the squad, which is exactly what we needed after the previous owners.

Good post

kazza » Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:24 am wrote:

Basil » Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:54 am wrote:People keep quoting the £150M that FSG have spent and that Kenny and Comolli wasted most of that but I think we need to refresh our memories what really happened.

K&C spent about £115M over 3 transfer windows but also also sold players for almost £80M, giving a net spend of about £37M, during this time I think our wage bill increased a bit.

So far Brendan has spent almost £40M and recouped about £7M to give a net spend of about £32M, during this time he's also reduced the wage bill massively, perhaps by about £0.5M per week.

As you can see, the net spend between the two managers is not massively different but now we've also got the wage bill under control which will hopefully allow us to strengthen further in the coming years.

FSG have spent just under £70M in two years, which is obviously £35M per season. I don't think anybody can argue that they seem to be getting the books in order and putting sensible money in to strengthen the squad, which is exactly what we needed after the previous owners.

Good post

Sensible stuff Basil. £35m a year is hardly chicken feed. The point I was making to the FSG critics was that they needn't have spent anything like the amount of money they have.

fsg are backing their man, maybe not as much as we would like but they are giving him money to spend.
its what he is buying thats frustrating. sahin and assaidi were both a waste of money, the jury is still out on borini and we got completely ripped off with allen. sturridge is about the best of them and is looking like the only one worth what we paid.
thats close to 50 million in 6 months and it hasnt exactly improved us.
we have owners who claim to have money and will back the manager but its him who insists on his "special type of player" and has said countless times that he wont pay over the odds for players just because of who we are. he is also the one who says he has full control and will do things his way so its silly to be blaming the owners for not spending when they clearly are.
whether they will sanction a big spend on a 28 or 30yr old is a different matter but i do believe that they will spend.
our captain has spoke out about the youth policy which is worrying and rumours were circulating on s'hitter today that fsg werent happy about how their money has been spent so far and are revisiting the idea of a DOF.
that would be a good move imo but a serious vote of no confidence in rodgers which is sad. he needs to up his game and accept that he needs help especially in the area of player recruitment.
im not saying its gospel or anything but the rumours are circulating none the less.https://twitter.com/indykaila
that forren lad was just another disaster and i cannot believe that we thought we could get him to ignore other clubs who were willing to commit to him.
we need a proper board because ayre and rodgers are beginning to look clueless when it comes down to signing players

I hate to say it but our past has finally caught up with us.

I find the owners are 100% 'correct' and realistic. Anfield is incapable of earning sufficient revenue to compete with the likes of ManUre. Our LONG TERM financial prosperity is linked to matchday income as much as CL income. Ure earn 2million quid+ more than us on matchday x 20 games = 40m+ which is the same as CL income.

So we need that new stadium. But we can't afford it. We disguise our inability to compete financially on players by claiming we have moneyball ideas buying young promising lads. Lets be honest, we don't have the cash to buy the quality we need to make an immediate impact as Citeh and Chelsea do!

Taken together, the need to invest in the ground and players at the same time is crippling. No other way round it. The owners + Ayre can only take the middle road - redevelop Anfield rather than a new stadium and buy in youngsters. Abramovich foucsed on the team and didn't invest in Stamford Bridge. Citeh got the Commonwealth Games stadium so the arabs focused on players.

Arsenal did both with the help of Emirates money and a solid first team, their timing of building the new stadium was masterful.

So time to understand the big picture and stop whining about the owners. You can't get a quart out of a pint pot. It makes yoou understand that our 'comeback' will take another 5 years before cash becomes available to start buying in stars. In the meantime we need to get a bl**dy move on and start redevloping Anfield.

Ideally we need a new shareholder to come pump 100 million into the club. Or naming rights etc..

Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre backs transfer policy at Anfield

Liverpool managing director Ian Ayre claims the signing of Daniel Sturridge proves the club's US owners were right to veto a summer move for Clint Dempsey.

Dempsey seemed set to join Liverpool from Fulham last summer before the American ended up moving to Tottenham on transfer deadline day.

With Andy Carroll leaving on loan for West Ham it left Liverpool with just two recognised strikers in Luis Suarez and Fabio Borini for the first half of the season.

The decision by the club's owners not to sanction a deal for Dempsey raised question marks as it left Brendan Rodgers short of attacking options.

However, Ayre feels the signing of Daniel Sturridge in this month's transfer window is a better long-term investment for the club.

"People may feel they want to criticise the fact we didn't have an additional striker," said Ayre.

"But at what price would you sacrifice spending for something that is not in the long-term interests of the club versus what we just did, which was getting a great price on a great player in Daniel Sturridge?

"If we had spent that money in the summer, then we wouldn't have done that trade recently. It may have left us short, but the pieces just did not come together. We've come through that period now and I still feel it was the right decision."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11669/8402083/Liverpool-managing-director-Ian-Ayre-backs-transfer-policy-at-Anfield

LIVERPOOL FC’S £150million project to redevelop Anfield remains on track with the club hoping to submit a planning application in the spring.

Back in October, owners Fenway Sports Group announced they had shelved plans to build a new stadium in Stanley Park in favour of refurbishing the club’s current home.

It’s part of a huge Liverpool City Council led regeneration project for the Anfield area and will involve major extensions to the Main Stand and Anfield Road stand to boost the capacity to around 60,000.

Over the past three months the council have been negotiating the purchase of homes which will be demolished to make room for Anfield’s expansion.


“We are very pleased with progress,” said Reds MD Ian Ayre.

“A lot of work has gone on behind the scenes particularly with the acquisition of properties and architectural work to look at designs and plans which would be submitted for planning permission.

“We’ve got a meeting coming up in the next few weeks with the steering group which is made up of the various parties who were present when the announcement about the regeneration was made.

“Certainly in terms of milestones that we set ourselves, we are on track. We’re pleased with the way we’re heading and there’s no reason to feel anything other than optimistic.”

Read more: Liverpool Echo http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/Liverpool ... z2IECB6Y40

Mr.Ayre the MD is either an idiot or thinks we're idiots. In this article he said Liverpool can still attract the best players in the world. Let me ask him this, "To do that, don't you think the club needs CL football, winning trophies and with mega rich owners?" Do we have these critieria? None, period.

He seems to think just because we have the history and that would be enough. To hell with your history, world class players today are mercenaric and they demand CL football and cup glories not playing for a mid table side that you and FSG have put Liverpool into now.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/ayre-liverpool ... --sow.html

alwayslfc » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:42 am wrote:Mr.Ayre the MD is either an idiot or thinks we're idiots. In this article he said Liverpool can still attract the best players in the world. Let me ask him this, "To do that, don't you think the club needs CL football, winning trophies and with mega rich owners?" Do we have these critieria? None, period.

He seems to think just because we have the history and that would be enough. To hell with your history, world class players today are mercenaric and they demand CL football and cup glories not playing for a mid table side that you and FSG have put Liverpool into now.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/ayre-liverpool ... --sow.html

There is no doubt that Ian Ayre is a complete idiot, also there is no doubt that we will not win the league until we get bought by a billionaire who is willing to pump £200million+ into the club, plus has the vision to appoint a top notch DOF and Chief Executive.

Difficult not to believe this is going to take another 5 years til completion eh? 

heimdall » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:11 am wrote:

alwayslfc » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:42 am wrote:Mr.Ayre the MD is either an idiot or thinks we're idiots. In this article he said Liverpool can still attract the best players in the world. Let me ask him this, "To do that, don't you think the club needs CL football, winning trophies and with mega rich owners?" Do we have these critieria? None, period.

He seems to think just because we have the history and that would be enough. To hell with your history, world class players today are mercenaric and they demand CL football and cup glories not playing for a mid table side that you and FSG have put Liverpool into now.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/ayre-liverpool ... --sow.html

There is no doubt that Ian Ayre is a complete idiot, also there is no doubt that we will not win the league until we get bought by a billionaire who is willing to pump £200million+ into the club, plus has the vision to appoint a top notch DOF and Chief Executive.

Presumambly you would have prepared Ayre's to say that we are a mid table team with an inexperienced manager and limited funds and very little chance of CL qualification for many years to come so our chances of attracting top flight players is absolutely negligible. Come on lads give the guy some credit. He makes the right noises and you regard his as an idiot. Stop being so idiotically naive.

the former redsox manager terry francona is releasing a book on his memoirs and in it he gives an insight into how fenway do business and the bizarre thinking behind it.

http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/01/1 ... story.html

red till i die!! » Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:43 pm wrote:the former redsox manager terry francona is releasing a book on his memoirs and in it he gives an insight into how fenway do business and the bizarre thinking behind it.

http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/01/1 ... story.html

Similar read ,but comes with an interesting video snippet mate .

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/red-sox

Wouldn't mind seeing the rest of that interview ,if anyone gets a link

The new owners are going down the same road as Arsenal have been for the past 5 or so years, everyone expected them to throw money at the club and compete with United, City and Chelsea but they have to sort out the mess that H & G left behind, once the books have been balanced and the club is in a better state financially I expect them to sell, especially since the fans have really started to get on their backs now.

You only have to watch the film Moneyball with Brad Pitt to realise how they run business