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Waldo » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:08 pm wrote:I am not for a minute suggesting that every time he has gone down this season it has been a dive but he will get far more protection (and ultimately free-kicks and penalties) if he is a bit more honest.

No he won't.

The English media have been relentless in pursuing Suarez, its obvious they want him gone from 'their' league.

A year from now we will be talking about the same thing, Suarez may once again be a focul point (otherwise something else regarding our club will be) while the greater injustices of Cheatski players being allowed to say anything derogatory or racist on or off the field will continue, Manure will continue to win games, points and titles at the hands of dubious refereing decisions and violent behaviour such as Huth's will all be swept under the carpet.

The FA is a joke of an organisation, you English may not see it but anyone watching internationally can see it clear as day.

This whole 'debate' of Suarez diving is an indictment of how the media is able to easily manipulate mass hysteria and indirect discrimination towards foreign players. What is worse is that some Liverpool 'fans' have fallen for it hook, line and sinker and are now towing the sheeple's opinion. Brendan and Kenny have both defended Suarez WHEN IT MATTERS the most, I really don't care for the numpties that call themselves 'fans' who put the knife into our VERY own players. If diving IS SUCH AN ISSUE then eradicate it altogether, don't just focus on ONE player, playing for ONE club. Of course this will never happen because if you do the maths and analysis over a season we ALL know who has the most to lose and it isn't our club.

 

good post eds, especially about the sheeple lfc fans. as so many sanctamonious turds like to state, "i only care about what our players do" i can only wrongly assume they condemed stevies starfish in Istanbul amongst many other dives, the same way they have lambasted luis. hypocritical runts

Kenny Kan » Wed Oct 10, 2012 2:35 am wrote:good post eds, especially about the sheeple lfc fans. as so many sanctamonious turds like to state, "i only care about what our players do" i can only wrongly assume they condemed stevies starfish in Istanbul amongst many other dives, the same way they have lambasted luis. hypocritical runts

And the funny thing is Kenny if these turdisticles that call themselves 'fans' ever had the opportunity to be 1 on 1 with Luis, do you actually think they would have the balls to lecture him on diving?   No.....they would act more hysterical and star struck  than a 14 year old girl at a Bieber concert begging for his autograph.

You couldn't make it up, could you?   

the funniest thing was kightly of stoke coming out yesterday saying that players like suarez are "ruining the game".

a stoke player complaining about others ruining the game. you couldn't make it up. 

Kenny Kan » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:59 am wrote:
You've repeatedly highlighted the issue which you claim is in Suarez's case "indefensible": when he is being judged on a reputation! Do you actually advocate a ref make decisions based on a player's reputation because it sure as hell sounds like you f.ucking do. You're happy to sweep this under the carpet and continue to stick it to Suarez still, nice swan Cyril. 

No I don't believe that referees should base decisions on reputation, but when you have Suarez who is a known diver and who despite all the criticism still continues to simulate and goes down several times in a match, I can understand why referees are apprehensive about giving Suarez the benefit of the doubt and of course if there is any doubt in the referees mind about an incident, then he should not award the decision. Suarez only has himself to blame as far as I'm concerned. And I am not sticking it to Suarez as you put it, Suarez needs to change his behaviour at the club because his reputation is costing us important decisions, decisions that are proving costly. He's been denied three or four stone wall penalties this season, penalties that might have seen us with more than 6 points on the board after 7 matches.

Boxscarf » Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:32 am wrote:

Kenny Kan » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:59 am wrote:
You've repeatedly highlighted the issue which you claim is in Suarez's case "indefensible": when he is being judged on a reputation! Do you actually advocate a ref make decisions based on a player's reputation because it sure as hell sounds like you f.ucking do. You're happy to sweep this under the carpet and continue to stick it to Suarez still, nice swan Cyril. 

No I don't believe that referees should base decisions on reputation, but when you have Suarez who is a known diver and who despite all the criticism still continues to simulate and goes down several times in a match, I can understand why referees are apprehensive about giving Suarez the benefit of the doubt and of course if there is any doubt in the referees mind about an incident, then he should not award the decision. Suarez only has himself to blame as far as I'm concerned. And I am not sticking it to Suarez as you put it, Suarez needs to change his behaviour at the club because his reputation is costing us important decisions, decisions that are proving costly. He's been denied three or four stone wall penalties this season, penalties that might have seen us with more than 6 points on the board after 7 matches.

Err ever thought that its actually the refs fault for not paying those free kicks and penalties in the first place?!?

Next we will hearing how Suarez is solely responsible for the national crime rate. FFS!

One thing that does annoy me is how Luis Suarez is a victim of an extensive smear campaign. If I was him I would really consider leaving the club in the summer. He's an extremely talented footballer and I'm sure there will be plenty of clubs making offers for his services. We've had a 3 day media storm about Suarez, when players like Nani, Bale, Walcott, Rooney, Welbeck and Hazard all dive, hell Gerrard's been at it for years and nobody has said anything. As much as I am fed up of Suarez, this campaign against him is beyond ridiculous. If you're going to vilify one player for simulation, then you need vilify all divers and simulators in the game. I'm more than happy to see Suarez being punished for diving, I would have applauded the referee Lee Mason had he booked Suarez for his antics, but this is a referee who didn't even have the balls to send Robert Huth off for violent conduct.

It also seems that it's acceptable for the likes of Fellaini and Van Persie to elbow people in the face and head, it's acceptable for Tiote to stamp on someone's leg and for Huth and his cronies at Stoke to try and injure players with their thuggery, but it's unacceptable for Suarez to take a dive, when Bale's one was far worse. Rodgers is right there is one rule for Suarez and one rule for everybody else.

If I was Luis I would just stay on my feet, if he stays on his feet, doesn't simulate then nobody can accuse him of anything. That's the most logical thing.

eds » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:15 am wrote:
Err ever thought that its actually the refs fault for not paying those free kicks and penalties in the first place?!?

You can blame the referee, for sure, but Suarez must shoulder responsibility for his own actions. Nobody forces him to simulate and cheat, he does that through his own accord.

[quote="Boxscarf » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:46 am
If I was Luis I would just stay on my feet, if he stays on his feet, doesn't simulate then nobody can accuse him of anything. That's the most logical thing.[/quote]


Game set match.

He needs to look at that joke vs stoke man up say sorry to Brod and stop doing it

No I don't believe that referees should base decisions on reputation

because his reputation is costing us important decisions

And that's where the crux of your argument falls flat on it's face. Perhaps you (and others) should spend more of your time condemning the shambolic reffing as opposed to sticking it to one of your own.

Quick question: Did you celebrate 'Stevie's Starfish' in Istanbul or were you equally as critical of him as you are of Suarez?

any ref who didn't think that suarez shouldn't have had a penalty against norwich shouldn't be refereeing at the highest level full stop, despite his "reputation". it was bordering on common assault.

Kenny Kan » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:38 pm wrote:
Quick question: Did you celebrate 'Stevie's Starfish' in Istanbul or were you equally as critical of him as you are of Suarez?

I didn't realise that Steven dived until long after it happened and I'm talking about a couple of years afterwards. When I found out I was bitterly disappointed with that. You can say I'm sticking it to Suarez and perhaps you are right, but my main concern is not Suarez, it's the club and it's not just Suarez that is affected by his reputation for simulation and bad behaviour, it's the club too.

Let's face facts here, Suarez's presence at our club has been costly, both to our points total and to our reputation as a club. When the Suarez-Evra farce was going this club suffered a lot as a result. We lost Suarez for 8 matches and a further 1 match for his gesture to the Fulham supporters and our image took a battering. Luis owes this a club a great deal. He owes it to us to work hard on the pitch and to improve his behaviour. A lot of managers would have sold Luis Suarez, but not Kenny, he put his own reputation on the line for Suarez and it's about time Suarez started paying the debt he owes those who defended him staunchly when he was up on a racial charge by the FA. He should be knuckling down and being in the head-lines for all the right reasons. Him diving around does no justice to his talent as a footballer.

stmichael » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:49 pm wrote:any ref who didn't think that suarez shouldn't have had a penalty against norwich shouldn't be refereeing at the highest level full stop, despite his "reputation". it was bordering on common assault.

It depends if the referee saw it or not doesn't it? He probably didn't give the penalty because he didn't have a clear view of the incident. Also, I highly doubt any referee would give a known diver the benefit of the doubt in that situation too, not that he should anyway because if the referee isn't 100% sure about the incident, he shouldn't give the decision.

having divers in their team has never done united any harm, quite the opposite infact.
over the past decade no team has been awarded more pens and no team has conceeded fewer pens, obviously united do attack a lot so they will be awarded a lot of pens but having the likes of van nistelrooy, ashley young, wayne rooney, nani, ronaldo, welbeck etc has never stopped ref`s awarding them pens.

Who ever is in charge of Public relations at LFC needs to organise a campaign around Suarez becuase at the moment his reputation as a player in the media and FA is in tatters and until it improves the team will continue to be denied legitimate penalties, freekicks etc and that does hurt the team, irrespective of who's fault it is.
Personally I love Luis to bits a as a player but he is unfortunately as thick as pigsh!te, as most players are, and needs careful micromanaging.