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Top 4 is the big win in the modern game and not silverware.

Unless your in that elite group you do not attract the top
players and your club simply sits still or falls backwards
with the huge financial void and prestige.

We might even be able to raise funds and sponsorship
for the new ground if we are amongst the elite again,it
makes a difference to the brand than mixing it mid table
with WBA and Stoke.

We are not playing football in the 1980s, and whilst we
enjoy the days out and lifting a cup, deep down we all
know that Liverpool desperately needs to be amongst
the top 4 teams in England again.

You can build a team, a superb team, if you make that
top 4 and push on. Great players will come to Liverpool.
They will not come to compete for the Carling and FA
Cup every year and finish nowhere in the league.

I find it surprising that having seen a decline in our
own team since falling out of that top 4 we still
vote for national knockout cups with an inferior side.
I imagine people are just trying to convince themselves
there is nothing going wrong.

We need top 4 and clearly that was our main target
this year.

parchpea » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:13 pm wrote:Top 4 is the big win in the modern game and not silverware.

Unless your in that elite group you do not attract the top
players and your club simply sits still or falls backwards
with the huge financial void and prestige.

We might even be able to raise funds and sponsorship
for the new ground if we are amongst the elite again,it
makes a difference to the brand than mixing it mid table
with WBA and Stoke.

We are not playing football in the 1980s, and whilst we
enjoy the days out and lifting a cup, deep down we all
know that Liverpool desperately needs to be amongst
the top 4 teams in England again.

You can build a team, a superb team, if you make that
top 4 and push on. Great players will come to Liverpool.
They will not come to compete for the Carling and FA
Cup every year and finish nowhere in the league.

I find it surprising that having seen a decline in our
own team since falling out of that top 4 we still
vote for national knockout cups with an inferior side.
I imagine people are just trying to convince themselves
there is nothing going wrong.

We need top 4 and clearly that was our main target
this year.

You are missing the point, on purpose methinks
Nobody is trying to convince themselves there is nothing wrong. But to talk all doom and gloom and that no good players will come here is absolute bo'llocks. All the hysteria is foolish and un-necessary. Anyone with knowledge of football can see we have under achieved, which simply means that we are good enough to do better but didnt. Talking as if were fu'cked is silly and premature and does nothing to make us the most informed and educated fans in the league.
People should wind their neck in and accept we have had a disappointing season to what we expected last august. But to be in two cup finals and already one won was beyond anyones imagination. Things will work out when everybody is back and people are used to the system and the club.
"A work in progress" is the phrase. Not "the finished article"

memories are what life is all about

winning cups gives you memories, finishing 4th then losing in the 2nd round of the champs league does not leave memories!!!!

right now id choose the cups than finish 4th (at the mo)

of course the premiership title is diffrent, but were a long way from that

Liverpool won the trophy no big club is interested in. Not success. It is a tournament for second rate teams and reserve team players from the big guns.

Liverpool will lose to Chelsea and finish runners up in the FA cup. The quality is simply not there and the amount of luck we need to beat Chelsea will not present itself.

So winning a second rate cup and finishing just above the relegation zone will be the product from this season.


And now let me answer the rhetorical question with a big NO. 4th is miles and miles ahead of any domestic cup. It means that the team is competetive and will be joining the big teams in europe. If you are outside top 4 you are basically not competetive and attractive to large fanbases and sponsors.

Thommo's perm » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:24 pm wrote:

parchpea » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:13 pm wrote:Top 4 is the big win in the modern game and not silverware.

Unless your in that elite group you do not attract the top
players and your club simply sits still or falls backwards
with the huge financial void and prestige.

We might even be able to raise funds and sponsorship
for the new ground if we are amongst the elite again,it
makes a difference to the brand than mixing it mid table
with WBA and Stoke.

We are not playing football in the 1980s, and whilst we
enjoy the days out and lifting a cup, deep down we all
know that Liverpool desperately needs to be amongst
the top 4 teams in England again.

You can build a team, a superb team, if you make that
top 4 and push on. Great players will come to Liverpool.
They will not come to compete for the Carling and FA
Cup every year and finish nowhere in the league.

I find it surprising that having seen a decline in our
own team since falling out of that top 4 we still
vote for national knockout cups with an inferior side.
I imagine people are just trying to convince themselves
there is nothing going wrong.

We need top 4 and clearly that was our main target
this year.

You are missing the point, on purpose methinks
Nobody is trying to convince themselves there is nothing wrong. But to talk all doom and gloom and that no good players will come here is absolute bo'llocks. All the hysteria is foolish and un-necessary. Anyone with knowledge of football can see we have under achieved, which simply means that we are good enough to do better but didnt. Talking as if were fu'cked is silly and premature and does nothing to make us the most informed and educated fans in the league.
People should wind their neck in and accept we have had a disappointing season to what we expected last august. But to be in two cup finals and already one won was beyond anyones imagination. Things will work out when everybody is back and people are used to the system and the club.
"A work in progress" is the phrase. Not "the finished article"

The Cups have been a tremendous bonus dont get me wrong
and put a shine on a dissapointing league campaign.

I personally dont believe we have made any progress as a team
but despite that have managed to win a cup and reach
the final of another.

Its typical of Liverpool to confuse us completely in that we have
no comfort of knowing for sure if the cup success is a sign of
better days ahead or merely papering over the cracks, I just
personally beleive the league is the barometer thats all so
I find its very frustrating overall.

I appreciate sometimes I get carried away and post some things
people may not like but I try to speak honestly at the time and
from the heart, and dont follow the crowd or just people please
to win favour.

Im very passionate about Liverpool and am absolutely desperate
and impatient for them to get back up there, it drives me mad to
be honest but we have t keep pushing and expecting high
standards.

stmichael » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:55 pm wrote:also, the money of the champions league has now devalued the europa league to the extent that teams work all year to get into europe and when they end up in the europa league they can't wait to get out of it. spurs had one year in the champions league and all of sudden the euopa league is "beneath them" so they put out weak sides. villa did it under o'neill to try and finish 4th and failed. i'd be livid if i was a fan. leeds spent above their means just to "live the dream" and look where it lead them.

the europa league became a michael mouse league when that knob platini decided that the clubs who dont make the latter stages of the cl can have a pop at a booby prize which is the europa.
the money is a pittance and if memory serves me correctly we received aproximately £300.000 for our last efforts in it.
in its current format i couldnt be bothered whether we were in it or not and as you said clubs field weaker teams to get out of it.it has never been won by a side that qualified outright and for that reason uefa should be told where to stick it.
when it was the uefa cup it was a great competition till they turned it into a joke.

In the new world of sky inventing football 4th is better, but in reality if someone said do you want to end trophyless or finish 4th, its trophies, but the world if football is ruined with tv money, CL for 4 places! etc etc

firstly i want to see us win the league as thats the most prestigious on offer to us this year.it hasnt quite panned out that way for us but im over the moon with what we have achieved with the cc and the final of the fa.
i would never be happy if we set out in a season with ambitions of just getting 4th as its silverware that makes you famous and puts you in the records,not the amount of 4th place finishes you achieve.
next year i hope we win all we can and if we get ourselves into a position to challenge for the league the cl qualification will take care of itself.
ask any of our squad what would they prefer at the end of the season,2 medals around their necks or a 4th place finish and i bet you will get the latter as your answer.

banana(real one) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:42 pm wrote:Liverpool won the trophy no big club is interested in. Not success. It is a tournament for second rate teams and reserve team players from the big guns.

Liverpool will lose to Chelsea and finish runners up in the FA cup. The quality is simply not there and the amount of luck we need to beat Chelsea will not present itself.

So winning a second rate cup and finishing just above the relegation zone will be the product from this season.


And now let me answer the rhetorical question with a big NO. 4th is miles and miles ahead of any domestic cup. It means that the team is competetive and will be joining the big teams in europe. If you are outside top 4 you are basically not competetive and attractive to large fanbases and sponsors.

you picked the wrong fruit as your username mate and you should ask the mods to rectify it to lemon.
im quite sure they would accomodate you.
if winning second rate cups means we will get rid of second rate fans then id be happy to see you go!!

red till i die!! » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:22 pm wrote:

banana(real one) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:42 pm wrote:Liverpool won the trophy no big club is interested in. Not success. It is a tournament for second rate teams and reserve team players from the big guns.

Liverpool will lose to Chelsea and finish runners up in the FA cup. The quality is simply not there and the amount of luck we need to beat Chelsea will not present itself.

So winning a second rate cup and finishing just above the relegation zone will be the product from this season.


And now let me answer the rhetorical question with a big NO. 4th is miles and miles ahead of any domestic cup. It means that the team is competetive and will be joining the big teams in europe. If you are outside top 4 you are basically not competetive and attractive to large fanbases and sponsors.

you picked the wrong fruit as your username mate and you should ask the mods to rectify it to lemon.
im quite sure they would accomodate you.
if winning second rate cups means we will get rid of second rate fans then id be happy to see you go!!

People like you, who think themselves better, labeling others as mancs, "untrue" or bluenoses should not be taken seriously. Not anything you say should be. I think most people would exchange the domestic cups for 4th spot any day. 4th is the only way if you aim for long term permanent success. Domestic cups is just a quick fix worth zip.

banana(real one) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:47 pm wrote:

red till i die!! » Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:22 pm wrote:

banana(real one) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:42 pm wrote:Liverpool won the trophy no big club is interested in. Not success. It is a tournament for second rate teams and reserve team players from the big guns.

Liverpool will lose to Chelsea and finish runners up in the FA cup. The quality is simply not there and the amount of luck we need to beat Chelsea will not present itself.

So winning a second rate cup and finishing just above the relegation zone will be the product from this season.


And now let me answer the rhetorical question with a big NO. 4th is miles and miles ahead of any domestic cup. It means that the team is competetive and will be joining the big teams in europe. If you are outside top 4 you are basically not competetive and attractive to large fanbases and sponsors.

you picked the wrong fruit as your username mate and you should ask the mods to rectify it to lemon.
im quite sure they would accomodate you.
if winning second rate cups means we will get rid of second rate fans then id be happy to see you go!!

People like you, who think themselves better, labeling others as mancs, "untrue" or bluenoses should not be taken seriously. Not anything you say should be. I think most people would exchange the domestic cups for 4th spot any day. 4th is the only way if you aim for long term permanent success. Domestic cups is just a quick fix worth zip.

i never labelled you either a manc or a bluenose.
you litter the threads with negative rubbish about our team our manager and our standing within the game.
you openly declare we will lose to the chavs before a ball is even kicked and worse you think we need a load of luck to beat them.
none of us are happy with certain elements of our season but in a year that is so bad we won a trophy and potentially another and yet you constantly berate us for it.
what has happened has happened and next season we pick up and push for the league and as i said if we are competing for that then cl will follow.
what i would constitute as a bad year is an 8th place finish with nothing in the cabinet.it hasnt been perfect but it has been somewhat successful and im proud of what we achieved even if we dont win the fa cup.
if you cant be proud of our club our achievements and our non achievements then its simple.close the door on your way out!!

banana(real one) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:42 pm wrote:Liverpool won the trophy no big club is interested in. Not success. It is a tournament for second rate teams and reserve team players from the big guns.

Liverpool will lose to Chelsea and finish runners up in the FA cup. The quality is simply not there and the amount of luck we need to beat Chelsea will not present itself.

So winning a second rate cup and finishing just above the relegation zone will be the product from this season.


And now let me answer the rhetorical question with a big NO. 4th is miles and miles ahead of any domestic cup. It means that the team is competetive and will be joining the big teams in europe. If you are outside top 4 you are basically not competetive and attractive to large fanbases and sponsors.

You f*cking idiot, it's not even match day and you're certain that we'll lose the final to Chelsea. How can you call yourself a fan if you don't even believe in the club? Both you and "95% sure we'll lose against the bitters" Kerry can f*ck off man, I'm really sick of "fans" like you!

Anyway, if you believe that 4th place is better than a title, feel free to ask an Arsenal fan how he feels about not winning a trophy in 6 years and dropping off in the first knock-out stage of the CL almost every year.

You're playing into banana-holes hands, don't bother mate...

If we're good enough to win teh CL we're good enough to win teh league. So by definition if we're playing CL we should be challenging for the league. Greatness is not partial.

2 trophies the lge and FA cups winning them is of course a BIG atchivement  only been done 3 times arsenal 93 LFC 01 and cheatski 07 so if we do it on may 5th we,ll be the only club to do it twice. Another record. BTW cheatski won't be arsed about the FA cup now they are in CL final. So we could end up with 2 cups and the mange with fook all YNWA