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by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:04 pm

Dundalk wrote:In the 2003/2004 Season, Arsenal finished the league season unbeaten

In the 2011/2012 Season, this man aims to finish the league season with no goals and no assists

This man is Stewart Downing

LEAGUE GAMES - 22

GOALS - NONE

ASSISTS - NONE

Your picture and words have changed recently ? Why is that ?

by **Dundalk** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:13 pm

Because our Stewart got a goal in the FA cup. Against against Oldham. In the last min.

He now needs to do something in the league.

For 20 million surely thats the least we can expect?

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:16 pm

Dundalk wrote:Because our Stewart got a goal in the FA cup. Against against Oldham. In the last min.

He now needs to do something in the league.

For 20 million surely thats the least we can expect?

Let's hope a striker puts away one of the chances he creates then.

And let's hope we continue to get behind him to support him to have a great second half of the season.

Ignore the price tag, as Kenny said its irrelevant once the player arrives at the club.

by **Dundalk** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:20 pm

Benny do you not agree he has been very poor this season. If I had have told you when we signed him that he would go the first 22 games in the league without scoring or even an assist then you would have told me I was off my head.

What odds would you have even got on that?

He is not adventurous enough and will always play the safe pass rather then try and beat a man. Not good enough for the level we want to be at.

by **bunglemark2** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:21 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Because our Stewart got a goal in the FA cup. Against against Oldham. In the last min.

He now needs to do something in the league.

For 20 million surely thats the least we can expect?

Let's hope a striker puts away one of the chances he creates then.

And let's hope we continue to get behind him to support him to have a great second half of the season.

Ignore the price tag, as Kenny said its irrelevant once the player arrives at the club.

Errrrr, no....for the price we pay, considering we don't HAVE stupid amounts to fritter away like Citeh, our signings HAVE to be effective immediately. We can't afford to take a punt and hope signings will hit the ground running....

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:30 pm

Dundalk wrote:Benny do you not agree he has been very poor this season. If I had have told you when we signed him that he would go the first 22 games in the league without scoring or even an assist then you would have told me I was off my head.

What odds would you have even got on that?

He is not adventurous enough and will always play the safe pass rather then try and beat a man. Not good enough for the level we want to be at.

I agree he hasnt performed as well as we saw last season with Villa but i also believe he has suffered from missed chances - chances he has created that other players have missed , and because of that he suffered a knock in confidence.

Just saying no assists and no goals doesnt show the whole picture

Kuyt one season scored 10 and had 10 assists - does that make him suddenly top quality ?

Im hoping for more from the lad during the rest of the season to help us achieve more and progress more

As opposed to just calling him a failure after 6 months.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:33 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Because our Stewart got a goal in the FA cup. Against against Oldham. In the last min.

He now needs to do something in the league.

For 20 million surely thats the least we can expect?

Let's hope a striker puts away one of the chances he creates then.

And let's hope we continue to get behind him to support him to have a great second half of the season.

Ignore the price tag, as Kenny said its irrelevant once the player arrives at the club.

Errrrr, no....for the price we pay, considering we don't HAVE stupid amounts to fritter away like Citeh, our signings HAVE to be effective immediately. We can't afford to take a punt and hope signings will hit the ground running....

Why cant we afford to be paitent ?

We arent going to win the title this year and getting into 4th was always going to be a massive task ( still got a chance though ) , the owners said it was a goal not an expectation. If you dont make your goal then you strengthen more and try again next season .

The only people that cant be paitent are the people that are demand instant results and instant success ?!?!

Which teams have had instant success and instant results in the last 20 years !!!

by **7_Kewell** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:51 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Dundalk wrote:Because our Stewart got a goal in the FA cup. Against against Oldham. In the last min.

He now needs to do something in the league.

For 20 million surely thats the least we can expect?

Let's hope a striker puts away one of the chances he creates then.

And let's hope we continue to get behind him to support him to have a great second half of the season.

Ignore the price tag, as Kenny said its irrelevant once the player arrives at the club.

Errrrr, no....for the price we pay, considering we don't HAVE stupid amounts to fritter away like Citeh, our signings HAVE to be effective immediately. We can't afford to take a punt and hope signings will hit the ground running....

Why cant we afford to be paitent ?

We arent going to win the title this year and getting into 4th was always going to be a massive task ( still got a chance though ) , the owners said it was a goal not an expectation. If you dont make your goal then you strengthen more and try again next season .

The only people that cant be paitent are the people that are demand instant results and instant success ?!?!

Which teams have had instant success and instant results in the last 20 years !!!

i dunno what you do for a living, or what sort of boss you have benny...but if my boss said "they'd be very disapointed" if i didin't achieve a goal then i'd be very worried about my future.

by **Benny The Noon** » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:58 pm

And you think you can relate football to a job in the real world !!

They have entered the world of football so they best be prepared for disappointments, if they are going to act like Abramovich (without the spending )then we are in the :censored:

and will never improve .

I'm going to credit them with a bit more sense and think they know it's goin to take time to build the team .

by **Fowler_E7** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:08 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
Fowler_E7 wrote:when you cost £35mil, £20mil and £16mil you dont get the luxury of time, its as simple as that, they cost that much money becasue there expected to peform now. Younger players with modest prices get time to sit on the bench and grow into the team, when you cost over £15mil that means your bought to be a first team regular now

Utter rubbish - once the player arrives at the club the price tags is irrelevant - they are all part of the squad and all have the same demands. The price tag is what was needed to be the player to the club is doesn't justify someone demanding instant results or using the price tag to critisze them.

The players don't choose the price.

Thank christ this is a minority representation of the fanbase

So your seriously suggessting that it dosnt matter how much a player costs? by your logic Andy Carroll has no more expectation than Sebastian Coates. If you cost more your expected to produce more. Thats why the supposed top players cost more money, because they are expected to imoroved the team instantly.

I think you will find your in the minority on this one

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:13 am

There is that word that keeps cropping up again - Expectation .

It seems that most people are judging their expectation purely by level of price tag as opposed to the whole picture .

Was Carroll worth 35 mil ? No he wasn't it was a price the club had to pay - if you expected a player worth every penny of that 35 mil then that's your problem - some are realistic enough to understand that price tag and players worth are very disjointed. I'll judge by what I think the player is worth as opposed to an over inflated price tag that we had to pay

by **mart** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:17 am

Benny The Noon wrote:And you think you can relate football to a job in the real world !!

Yes you are right. Its much easier to get sacked for a football job. So when the owners say they will be very disappointed its a clear signal they wont be patient for very long.

by **mart** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:19 am

Benny The Noon wrote:Was Carroll worth 35 mil ? No he wasn't it was a price the club had to pay - if you expected a player worth every penny of that 35 mil then that's your problem - some are realistic enough to understand that price tag and players worth are very disjointed. I'll judge by what I think the player is worth as opposed to an over inflated price tag that we had to pay

The club decided he was worth paying 35 mill for so i guess they expected a lot from him. If not they would have bought someone else for a lot less. Its a business, not a charity. The value of the player directly reflects what the club expects of the player, and they dont feel like paying more than that. If they can get a player cheaply thats great but they wont pay more than they think the player is worth.

Just look at this list:

Top 10 Overall Transfers

1. Cristiano Ronaldo: Manchester United to Real Madrid – £80m (2009)
2. Zlatan Ibrahimovic: Inter Milan to Barcelona – £60.7m (2009)
3. Kaka: AC Milan to Real Madrid – £56m (2009)
4. Fernando Torres: Liverpool to Chelsea – £50m (2011)
5. Zinedine Zidane: Juventus to Real Madrid – £45.62m (2001)
6. Luis Figo: Barcelona to Real Madrid – £37m (2000)
7. Javier Pastore: Palermo to Paris Saint-Germain – £36.7m (2011)
8. Hernan Crespo: Parma to Lazio – £35.5m (2000)
9. Radamel Falcao: FC Porto to Atletico Madrid – £35.2m (2011)
t10. Sergio Aguero: Atletico Madrid to Manchester City – £35m (2011)
t10. Andy Carroll: Newcastle United to Liverpool – £35m (2011)

by **Fowler_E7** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:24 am

Benny The Noon wrote:There is that word that keeps cropping up again - Expectation . It seems that most people are judging their expectation purely by level of price tag as opposed to the whole picture . Was Carroll worth 35 mil ? No he wasn't it was a price the club had to pay - if you expected a player worth every penny of that 35 mil then that's your problem - some are realistic enough to understand that price tag and players worth are very disjointed. I'll judge by what I think the player is worth as opposed to an over inflated price tag that we had to pay

So what do you think his worth then? because he's played like he's worth barely anything. Besides no one put a gun to our heads and said we had to pay over the odds for Andy Carroll, that was our choice and were living with the consequnces, for £35 mil you should be getting one of the top players on the planet.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:25 am

Fowler_E7 wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:There is that word that keeps cropping up again - Expectation .

It seems that most people are judging their expectation purely by level of price tag as opposed to the whole picture .

Was Carroll worth 35 mil ? No he wasn't it was a price the club had to pay - if you expected a player worth every penny of that 35 mil then that's your problem - some are realistic enough to understand that price tag and players worth are very disjointed. I'll judge by what I think the player is worth as opposed to an over inflated price tag that we had to pay

So what do you think his worth then? because he's played like he's worth barely anything. Besides no one put our gun to our head and said we had to pay over the odds for Andy Carroll, that was our choice and were living with the consequnces, for £35 mil you should be getting on of the top players on the planet.

agree. We paid the money because we thought he was worth it...the same way we paid 20 million for Downing and 20 million for Henderson

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