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by **Dundalk** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:18 am

Didn't think he was to bad tonight, but overall he is not good enough for this club. He knows it, the fans know it and I think Kenny knows it.

by **dundreamin** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:25 am

Look at my posts about this fella, said all along he was :censored:

,except when I said we should sign him, I put my hands up I made a big mistake. Beast me if you want

by **maguskwt** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:45 am

The thing is I just can't believe that even a player of average talents like Carroll can play so ineffectively. Players can be drilled and trained to play in a certain way so that the team benefits and this responsibility must lie with first the manager and then the coaches. Are we suffering from losing Sammy Lee?

Top ten things that Carroll should do to improve as a player:

1. Use his body strength: I can't believe he was being thrown about by the bolton defense

2. Watch Didier Drogba's tapes: I hate the guy but in his prime he is simply unplayable.

3. If he is fighting for the ball and the defender pushes him or bars him physically and the ball is going away from him, make it obvious to the referee that he's being fouled.

4. If he is fighting for the ball and the defender pushes him or bars him physically and it looks like he can win the ball, use his feckin strength to win the ball.

5. Do more turning drills.

6. Do more shielding the ball with the body drills.

7. Do more turning drills.

8. Do more passing drills.

9. Do more shielding the ball with the body drills.

10. Use his head... as in his brain...

by **Kerry07** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:51 am

After Kenny's comments today im much more reassured. He aint stupid, he knows if someone is not doing it then they will be gone. Hes fast losing patience and he won't persist on something that doesnt work.

I still for the life of me cannot understand the Carroll signing. The era of the straighforward target man is long over. The modern player has to be good on the ground.. Crouch, Drogba, Ibrahimovic are all tall in stature but their talent is with their feet. They can all link up with the mdfield, hold the ball up, play it on the floor. They are constantly looking for the ball. The game is of a much higher standard than even 15 years ago, and i cannot think of a single recent example (last 10 years) of any quality side that has the classic big fella upfront.

In looking at the dominant teams in that period... Man U (1999-2001, 2007-2011)..Sheringham, Yorke, Cole, Solsjkaer, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Tevez. Arsenal (1998-2004).. Henry, Bergkamp, Anelka. Chelsea (2005-2006, 2010).. Drogba, Gudjohnson, Anelka.

Every one very comfortable on the ball, all great at linking up the play. The last real example of a target man was Chris Sutton, but even he was far better on the ground than Carroll. The modern game is all about possession, and opening teams up through passing. Its the Luis Suarez way not the Andy Carroll one. The way we played at Fulham last season (which should be the benchmark) with swift passing, constant interchanging of play, attacking in waves.. this is completely alien to Carroll and was shown up at the same ground this season.

Those that hope for him to somehow "come good"... its not that Carroll is out of form (hes never been in form playing in our method), its simply that hes in wrong set up (he hardly gets a touch) and left behind the right one that catered to his limited game.

by **Kukilon** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:32 am

He will need to train twice as much as other players to catch up and i doubt he is interested in that. He likes drinking beer and chasing birds.

by **Octsky** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:55 am

maguskwt wrote:The thing is I just can't believe that even a player of average talents like Carroll can play so ineffectively. Players can be drilled and trained to play in a certain way so that the team benefits and this responsibility must lie with first the manager and then the coaches. Are we suffering from losing Sammy Lee?

Top ten things that Carroll should do to improve as a player:

1. Use his body strength: I can't believe he was being thrown about by the bolton defense

2. Watch Didier Drogba's tapes: I hate the guy but in his prime he is simply unplayable.

3. If he is fighting for the ball and the defender pushes him or bars him physically and the ball is going away from him, make it obvious to the referee that he's being fouled.

4. If he is fighting for the ball and the defender pushes him or bars him physically and it looks like he can win the ball, use his feckin strength to win the ball.

5. Do more turning drills.

6. Do more shielding the ball with the body drills.

7. Do more turning drills.

8. Do more passing drills.

9. Do more shielding the ball with the body drills.

10. Use his head... as in his brain...

u forget abt ball control.
i dont understand pro players, they spend like maybe 5-6 hrs daily training, 30 hrs per wk. and the 2 most basic components in football is short passing and ball control.

there are 52 wks in a yr, minus off holidays that gives them about 1400 hrs of training per year.

if Carroll signed on as a 10 yrs old, that gives him 13 yrs training equivalent of 18200 hrs of training.
my point is how come his ball control is still worse than those school boys i see around the playground ?

Kenny being a striker himself is not stupid, there comes a time when enough is enough. he must be flirting with the idea of selling Carroll. suddenly the 10m bid from barcodes seems like a God-sent present.

by **damjan193** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:01 am

Kukilon wrote:He will need to train twice as much as other players to catch up and i doubt he is interested in that. He likes drinking beer and chasing birds.

That's what they all do man. God, I hate modern day players. They make twice the money players made in the past but those players had twice the commitment and made twice the effort. Today's players are all soft and lazy and care about nothing!

by **dundreamin** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:14 am

And the reason why they soft and lazy, because nobody gives a s.hit anymore. Money rules now.shanks must be turning in his grave

by **Aussie Style** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 8:58 am

Their was a moment towards the end of the game, Gerrard passed it to Andy for a quick one-two, Andys touch was heavy and as a Bolton defender played the ball out of defence you could just see Stevie in the corner of the screen look up to the sky, probably thinking this guys f.ucking s.hit. He isn't Liverpool standard and never will be, simple as that. He could be a 10-15 goal a season player for a Stoke or Newcastle, but not for us.

by **mistyred** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:05 am

Aussie i have to admit defeat mate he is quite simply Shabite.

by **devaney** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:28 am

Kerry07 wrote:The criticism is actually now getting too harsh, because there is nothing he can do with us. Hes trying his best, but the step up to us, from the direct game that tailored to his limitations at Newcastle, is too much.

He did win a header with the very type of direct one dimensional service he was getting at Newcastle. We do not play this way for the vast majority of games so hes anonymous. Hes a limited player who is suited perfectly to a team like Stoke. I know hes on huge wages but i genuinely feel sorry for him now. He didn't choose to be put in this environment (even stated he didn't want to leave Newcastle), and the kind of expansive game on the floor that we aspire to play is completely alien to him. To ask Carroll to do what hes incapable of doing is unfair. The expectations are unrealistic.

Kerry you have started most of the distasteful Carroll criticism which has included some total unacceptable abuse at the highest level and you now come out with this almost apologetic nonsensical statement.

How can you possibly feel sorry for somebody that simply hasn't lived up to expectations and has made little or no visible effort to rectify that situation.Blaming our style of play for Carroll's ineffectiveness is ridiculous.How does our style of play for example affect his first touch which is usually poor? How does our style of play affect his ability to read the game? You're actually showing sympathy towards possibly Liverpool's biggest ever error in the transfer market and yet you regard Torres who gave us some fantastic memories as a Judas.Is it any wonder Torres left and probably not totally just of his own choosing if Kenny's and Comolli's vision of the future was assembling a team of extremely expensive British players with limited ability.

I know I have suggested in previous posts that you back off with your constant avalanche of abuse towards Carroll but now to be frank you are simply being obtuse!

by **yellsub66** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:51 am

I really hope that Kenny has reached a turning point with his blast at the players. He loves this club more than any of us do! If you cut him he would bleed Liverpool FC and he knows what it takes to make this club a success. Afterall, he was a player and then a manager during arguably our greatest era.

He will know that Carroll is not putting in the required effort and dedication. He will know that Carroll does not want to be here. Hopefully Kenny will realise that he and/or Comolli have made a huge mistake by bringing Carroll to our 'pass and move' football club.

It will be tough admitting to the mistake as the British media (who already hate us) will have a field day , however sometimes players just don't work out.

We would not be the only club to have made this mistake, look at Man Utd with Veron or Chelsea with Shevchenko. Look at our very own Torres...world class for the majority of his time with us...poor for Chelsea.

Sometimes a player just doesn't fit and even if they put in 110% effort and commitment to the cause it still doesn't work.

For me, Carroll is nowhere near putting in even 100% effort to make his career a success at Liverpool. This shows on the pitch and it probably shows off the pitch.

I hope in my heart that Kenny has seen this and has finally had enough. Andy Carroll will NEVER be a successful prolific striker at Liverpool FC! It is time to let him go for both his own sake and ours.

A huge mistake was made... a £35 million pound mistake, however it is not like that money came out of the clubs coffers! Yes we could have reinvested it MUCH more wisely, but we didn't. It is time to move on. Onwards and upwards because we are Liverpool Football Club.

by **devaney** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:06 pm

I would take £10m and set the loss against the greater than expected Torresprofit! A mistake has been made.Time to rectify and move on.

by **Thommo's perm** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:23 pm

On a positive side he made the assist for Bellamys goal.
On a negative he is not the player we saw at Newcastle. There is something totally wrong with his mind and whatever KK and his coaches are doing isnt working. Whatever they are saying to him isnt transfering to confident, positive play and if we have ambitions to finish in the top four it needs addressing immediately.
Carroll is not sh'it, he is playing sh'it. Theres a difference and KK needs to sort it asap. Maybe its already too late? But to make Carroll the focal point of yesterdays fiasco is stupid and lazy.

by **Kopite-Jud** » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:32 pm

He is from Newcastle, he supports Newcastle , he could be assed playing for Newcastle, he looks like he's not assed about Liverpool.

No motivation to play for Liverpool what so ever.

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