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[Benny The Noon]

Why is Aquilani being mentioned ? the guy didnt have the bottle or heart to play in the prem - he played well during pre season looking for a move back to Italy.

Aquilani proved his point in pre-season that he was a class creative player
The way he was treated here made his mind up that he wanted to play in Italy

What way was he treated ?

He was played when he finally got himself fit , was said to not have the fight for the prem and kept coming up with injuries.

When pre season came around he played to get himself back to Italy.

[Thommo's perm]

Why is Aquilani being mentioned ? the guy didnt have the bottle or heart to play in the prem - he played well during pre season looking for a move back to Italy.

Aquilani proved his point in pre-season that he was a class creative player
The way he was treated here made his mind up that he wanted to play in Italy

What way was he treated ?

He was played when he finally got himself fit , was said to not have the fight for the prem and kept coming up with injuries.

When pre season came around he played to get himself back to Italy.

GYBS you have been talking sense lately. Lets not spoil it now?

[Kerry07]

Was listening to five live earlier and Jason Roberts said something i agree with..Carroll isn't getting the same kind of service with us that he got at Newcastle (he counted one cross in the first half vs Bolton). Hes got nothing about him hence is totally reliant on service, and for us to give him the service he needs we would have to lower our playing standards and go direct. Crosses aplenty, long diagonal balls upfield aplenty. The pass and move play out the window, and Suarez looking skyward a lot of the game. Football in the clouds. Its clear as day Stoke would be perfect for him. Delap long throw.. Carroll on the end of it.

We either lower our standards to serve Carroll (so he gets 15 goals a season), or aspire to play the high standard which leaves him anonymous.

Are you suggesting that if we lower our standards and Carroll gets 15 goals then no-one else will score and we will be unsuccsessful? Or are you saying that if our standards are lowered Carroll will score 15 goals, and with the added gols from others we will be succsessful?

Providing Carroll with constant direct service means sacrificing pass and move, less play on the floor, and Luis (and the others) will suffer accordingly. Suarez and co. will be looking skyward a lot.

No top team plays direct because it isnt successful. Its this that has puzzled me most about signing Carroll.

[The Good Yank]

Kerry, We've won 1 of our last 6 league games, so pass and move isn't exactly working out too well at the moment either.

[Thommo's perm]

Kerry, We've won 1 of our last 6 league games, so pass and move isn't exactly working out too well at the moment either.

Ah buts thats because Carroll is playing so were not moving it around on the floor because were constantly crossing it to his head.
Do you see?

[Kerry07]

Kerry, We've won 1 of our last 6 league games, so pass and move isn't exactly working out too well at the moment either.

The team that played at Fulham last season played pass and move... in what was the best attacking performance under Kenny.

Who did not play that day? Who then came back for the game at Fulham this season in which we looked dreadful in attack? After the Fulham game last season, he came back in for the Spurs game at home.. we looked equally dreadful. The non movement, the poor control, the inability to pass, the fluidity of the attack was ended with his introduction.

I'm not solely blaming it on him of course (of our front six only Gerrard and Suarez are good enoough) but hes a major part of the problem.

[Thommo's perm]

Kerry, We've won 1 of our last 6 league games, so pass and move isn't exactly working out too well at the moment either.

The team that played at Fulham last season played pass and move... in what was the best attacking performance under Kenny.

Who did not play that day? Who then came back for the game at Fulham this season in which we looked dreadful in attack? After the Fulham game last season, he came back in for the Spurs game at home.. we looked equally dreadful. The non movement, the poor control, the inability to pass, the fluidity of the attack was ended with his introduction.

I'm not solely blaming it on him of course (of our front six only Gerrard and Suarez are good enoough) but hes a major part of the problem.

Youve changed your mind then? Just like a woman.
Now hes not solely to blame.

Carry on

[PabloMedina28]

I want this lad to come good more then anyone but as harsh as it sounds i thing hes by far the biggest waste of money this club has ever thrown away and ever will. Its not just the 35 million that we spent (outright) on him its the fact we also bought players in just to get the best out of him and they havent preformed either. People say he was a panis buy forced on us by the rat torres but we bought him when hed just picked up a serious knee injury so we misy of known at best wed get 10 games out of him that season anyway. We desperately need a another top class striker to start with Suarez, then maybe hell get his finger out and start putting in the effort (atleast) he put in at Newcastle.

[Scottbot]

If you are right (and I think youve got a point) then why did KK buy him for £25 million (the other 10 is in add ons)? Surely he would have known that Carroll wouldnt fit in to our style of play? What was it he saw that convinced him to gamble £25 million on a player who seems to have serious limitations?
Is KK that stupid or inept? I cant believe it because it doesnt make sense. Carrolls performance on saturday was the proof that he is still not coping with his price tag or the expectation which come from LFC spending so much on an unproven player. It has done him no favours that £35 million has been the figure bandied around and I wished the club would have made it clear what the deal was. Instead he has been ridiculed by not only other fans, but our own, which hasnt helped the situation in the slightest.
I agree with the pony tail observation by the way and if I was advising Carroll I would certainly tell him to shave the Fu*king lot off and come out swinging. At least it would be one less thing to criticise. Who knows, maybe he would be like Sampson in reverse?

It's deffo a bit of a brain scratcher mate and i've been thinking about that one for a while now. I think it could be a combination of things.

1/ Commoli was just as big on Carroll as Kenny was and was also pushing hard to bring him in given that the club never really wanted to lose Torres.

2/ Kenny was in two minds about how he wanted the team to play. There's classic LFC pass and move but he was also very successful with a more direct (although not ugly) style of play when he won the title at Blackburn. It's quite possible he fancied we cold play a mixture of the two styles but as we've seen it isn't working as yet.

3/ Carroll was bought as a developmental player and Kenny wanted more options in terms of how we play and he didn't necessarily envisage Carroll being an every week starter from the get go.

[red till i die!!]

Was listening to five live earlier and Jason Roberts said something i agree with..Carroll isn't getting the same kind of service with us that he got at Newcastle (he counted one cross in the first half vs Bolton). Hes got nothing about him hence is totally reliant on service, and for us to give him the service he needs we would have to lower our playing standards and go direct. Crosses aplenty, long diagonal balls upfield aplenty. The pass and move play out the window, and Suarez looking skyward a lot of the game. Football in the clouds. Its clear as day Stoke would be perfect for him. Delap long throw.. Carroll on the end of it.

We either lower our standards to serve Carroll (so he gets 15 goals a season), or aspire to play the high standard which leaves him anonymous.

Are you suggesting that if we lower our standards and Carroll gets 15 goals then no-one else will score and we will be unsuccsessful? Or are you saying that if our standards are lowered Carroll will score 15 goals, and with the added gols from others we will be succsessful?

Providing Carroll with constant direct service means sacrificing pass and move, less play on the floor, and Luis (and the others) will suffer accordingly. Suarez and co. will be looking skyward a lot.

No top team plays direct because it isnt successful. Its this that has puzzled me most about signing Carroll.

the idea of having carroll here is to give us another option in attack which he does,if we ever learn to use him properly.
he can never suit pass and move style cos he has limited control and pace.that doesnt mean he is completely useless ,just not worth what we paid,but we all know that.
because he is lacking in the skill area the more direct route should be used when he plays and at the min it should be from the bench,sort of like a last ditch attempt when we are struggling but dominating possession.the team also need to work to his strengths as by now they should realise what his limits are.
it has nothing to do with lowering our standard of football if we have a plan b,which rarely looks like we do.i also find it hard to believe that kenny would sign him thinking he would suit a fast high tempo game.
we arent clinical enough with the pass and move football anyway because we have no pace whatsoever to provide penetration and catch teams on the back foot.we are good at holding the ball under pressure but once we get into the final third we cack ourselves.
andy is getting more game time than he should be because suarez is banned and we have nothing else up front other than maxi and kuyt ,and while my patience with carroll is running out its completely gone for the other two.

[devaney]

Thommo - you say that the Carroll deal was £25m + a potential further £10m in add ons. Do you know what Carroll has to achieve to force the additional payments?

[Thommo's perm]

Thommo - you say that the Carroll deal was £25m + a potential further £10m in add ons. Do you know what Carroll has to achieve to force the additional payments?

Appearances and trophies I should imagine?

[mart]

Thommo - you say that the Carroll deal was £25m + a potential further £10m in add ons. Do you know what Carroll has to achieve to force the additional payments?

Fall down more than 20 times pr match?

[Thommo's perm]

Thommo - you say that the Carroll deal was £25m + a potential further £10m in add ons. Do you know what Carroll has to achieve to force the additional payments?

Fall down more than 20 times pr match?

Hes worth £45 million now then

[devaney]

Thommo - you say that the Carroll deal was £25m + a potential further £10m in add ons. Do you know what Carroll has to achieve to force the additional payments?

Appearances and trophies I should imagine?

Where have you read that it's 25 plus 10?