Liverpool FC Forum

[Kerry07]

Was listening to five live earlier and Jason Roberts said something i agree with..Carroll isn't getting the same kind of service with us that he got at Newcastle (he counted one cross in the first half vs Bolton). Hes got nothing about him hence is totally reliant on service, and for us to give him the service he needs we would have to lower our playing standards and go direct. Crosses aplenty, long diagonal balls upfield aplenty. The pass and move play out the window, and Suarez looking skyward a lot of the game. Football in the clouds. Its clear as day Stoke would be perfect for him. Delap long throw.. Carroll on the end of it.

We either lower our standards to serve Carroll (so he gets 15 goals a season), or aspire to play the high standard which leaves him anonymous.

[Thommo's perm]

Was listening to five live earlier and Jason Roberts said something i agree with..Carroll isn't getting the same kind of service with us that he got at Newcastle (he counted one cross in the first half vs Bolton). Hes got nothing about him hence is totally reliant on service, and for us to give him the service he needs we would have to lower our playing standards and go direct. Crosses aplenty, long diagonal balls upfield aplenty. The pass and move play out the window, and Suarez looking skyward a lot of the game. Football in the clouds. Its clear as day Stoke would be perfect for him. Delap long throw.. Carroll on the end of it.

We either lower our standards to serve Carroll (so he gets 15 goals a season), or aspire to play the high standard which leaves him anonymous.

Are you suggesting that if we lower our standards and Carroll gets 15 goals then no-one else will score and we will be unsuccsessful? Or are you saying that if our standards are lowered Carroll will score 15 goals, and with the added gols from others we will be succsessful?

[yellsub66]

As a Liverpool fan of of thirty odd years, I would rather we stayed true to our pass and move principles, rather than change our whole style just to accommodate one £35 million pound flop.

All the talk is of us getting David Texiera so lets hope he goes straight into the first team and Carroll doesn't get a look in.

I know this is strong, but I really, truly believe that Carroll isn't fit to wear the red shirt (not the only one mind  ).

I know people will say that Lucas looked rubbish when he first broke into the first team (and look what happened to him), but I don't believe that Carroll has the same mental attitude to succeed..he doesn't display any signs that he wants to be here...end of!

You would think that if he had an ounce of commitment he would get a haircut (to send out the correct message..fresh start and all that!) and cut out the ale, late nights and get some focus. He just doesn't look arsed!

Let's put him out of his misery (and ours) and loan him out..at the very least.

Even if he does stay and reaches the form he displayed at Newcastle, he will STILL be unsuited to pass and move football.

Just can't see a future for him here and the more times he appears in our team the worse our results and play will be.

[Thommo's perm]

As a Liverpool fan of of thirty odd years, I would rather we stayed true to our pass and move principles, rather than change our whole style just to accommodate one £35 million pound flop.

All the talk is of us getting David Texiera so lets hope he goes straight into the first team and Carroll doesn't get a look in.

I know this is strong, but I really, truly believe that Carroll isn't fit to wear the red shirt (not the only one mind  ).

I know people will say that Lucas looked rubbish when he first broke into the first team (and look what happened to him), but I don't believe that Carroll has the same mental attitude to succeed..he doesn't display any signs that he wants to be here...end of!

You would think that if he had an ounce of commitment he would get a haircut (to send out the correct message..fresh start and all that!) and cut out the ale, late nights and get some focus. He just doesn't look arsed!

Let's put him out of his misery (and ours) and loan him out..at the very least.

Even if he does stay and reaches the form he displayed at Newcastle, he will STILL be unsuited to pass and move football.

Just can't see a future for him here and the more times he appears in our team the worse our results and play will be.

If you are right (and I think youve got a point) then why did KK buy him for £25 million (the other 10 is in add ons)? Surely he would have known that Carroll wouldnt fit in to our style of play? What was it he saw that convinced him to gamble £25 million on a player who seems to have serious limitations?
Is KK that stupid or inept? I cant believe it because it doesnt make sense. Carrolls performance on saturday was the proof that he is still not coping with his price tag or the expectation which come from LFC spending so much on an unproven player. It has done him no favours that £35 million has been the figure bandied around and I wished the club would have made it clear what the deal was. Instead he has been ridiculed by not only other fans, but our own, which hasnt helped the situation in the slightest.
I agree with the pony tail observation by the way and if I was advising Carroll I would certainly tell him to shave the Fu*king lot off and come out swinging. At least it would be one less thing to criticise. Who knows, maybe he would be like Sampson in reverse?

[jacdaniel]

If you are right (and I think youve got a point) then why did KK buy him for £25 million (the other 10 is in add ons)?

All makes sense now, we obviously don't want to trigger the add on's 

[Thommo's perm]

If you are right (and I think youve got a point) then why did KK buy him for £25 million (the other 10 is in add ons)?

All makes sense now, we obviously don't want to trigger the add on's 

Its been the plan all along

[maguskwt]

It has done him no favours that £35 million has been the figure bandied around and I wished the club would have made it clear what the deal was.

So this is like the initial 5 million pounds for Aquilani kinda argument...  (which I myself was a supporter btw)

btw... were you pro or anti against the aquilani transfer?

[Thommo's perm]

It has done him no favours that £35 million has been the figure bandied around and I wished the club would have made it clear what the deal was.

So this is like the initial 5 million pounds for Aquilani kinda argument...  (which I myself was a supporter btw)

btw... were you pro or anti against the aquilani transfer?

Aquilani is a class player who wasnt used properly by Rafa. This eventually added to his downfall.
£25 million is still a lot for an unproven player with potential, which is why you can understand people being hysterical thinking that we paid £35 million. We havent, and if he doesnt get his sh'it together, we wont.

[Redman in wales]

If you are right (and I think youve got a point) then why did KK buy him for £25 million (the other 10 is in add ons)? Surely he would have known that Carroll wouldnt fit in to our style of play? What was it he saw that convinced him to gamble £25 million on a player who seems to have serious limitations?
Is KK that stupid or inept? I cant believe it because it doesnt make sense. Carrolls performance on saturday was the proof that he is still not coping with his price tag or the expectation which come from LFC spending so much on an unproven player. It has done him no favours that £35 million has been the figure bandied around and I wished the club would have made it clear what the deal was. Instead he has been ridiculed by not only other fans, but our own, which hasnt helped the situation in the slightest.

‘ang about. Where did you get £25m from?
I’ve never seen that before. Doing a bit of research, both Echo and Daily post says its £35m Every other news outlet says £35m (oh and also that Newcastle get 25% of any further sale ONTOP of the £35m)

But I can’t find a single bit of info that says £25m.

[maguskwt]

It has done him no favours that £35 million has been the figure bandied around and I wished the club would have made it clear what the deal was.

So this is like the initial 5 million pounds for Aquilani kinda argument...  (which I myself was a supporter btw)

btw... were you pro or anti against the aquilani transfer?

Aquilani is a class player who wasnt used properly by Rafa. This eventually added to his downfall.
£25 million is still a lot for an unproven player with potential, which is why you can understand people being hysterical thinking that we paid £35 million. We havent, and if he doesnt get his sh'it together, we wont.

Rafa did use him properly once he came back to full fitness and he wasn't a failure if not a success with 2 goals and alot of assists (forgot the number)... it was Hodgson who did the stupid thing to loan him out (makes the player feel unwanted). Could never understand that decision at all. Now the damage seems to be done, he doesn't want to play for Liverpool nor in the premier league. Don't know if Kenny could still persuade him to come back and play though...

how about this formation:

                  New Striker

New W    Suarez     Aquilani     Gerrard

                      Lucas

If we could we should sign a stronger and more athletic defensive midfielder like Toure... sigh I can't believe after spending 100 million or so we are still back to square 1...

[Thommo's perm]

If you are right (and I think youve got a point) then why did KK buy him for £25 million (the other 10 is in add ons)? Surely he would have known that Carroll wouldnt fit in to our style of play? What was it he saw that convinced him to gamble £25 million on a player who seems to have serious limitations?
Is KK that stupid or inept? I cant believe it because it doesnt make sense. Carrolls performance on saturday was the proof that he is still not coping with his price tag or the expectation which come from LFC spending so much on an unproven player. It has done him no favours that £35 million has been the figure bandied around and I wished the club would have made it clear what the deal was. Instead he has been ridiculed by not only other fans, but our own, which hasnt helped the situation in the slightest.

‘ang about. Where did you get £25m from?
I’ve never seen that before. Doing a bit of research, both Echo and Daily post says its £35m Every other news outlet says £35m (oh and also that Newcastle get 25% of any further sale ONTOP of the £35m)

But I can’t find a single bit of info that says £25m.

It was said by one of the commentators before the Bolton game. I think Ive heard it on LFC TV as well

[RedAnt]

Poor, poor Andy. Lots of hatred and anger on here for the poor lad. Everyone needs a scapegoat I guess. Again though it seems very short sighted and naive to blame it all on Andy. Very easy too. Against Bolton we were yet again guilty of hideous service. The only pass that went anywhere near him he got his head on and made a goal. Yes there's lots of other areas to his game that he's failing, but what do you expect. Carroll isn't Messi, or Ronaldo. He can't turn a game around on his own.

Andy Carroll is a player who needs support on and off the pitch. KK sees fit to play him. The other players play with him. He wears Liverpools badge. He plays for Liverpool. He's a Liverpool player. Whilst these things remain true, I will continue to support him.

Get a grip folks. This isn't Football Manager. It's easy to sit here and take the roll of cyber-critics, but life in football is much much different.

Our teams full of mediocrity. Everyone's saying "We're not Newcastle. Andy can't play our way". What is our way? We're awful at the moment. Is Newcastles "way" maybe better than ours?

Support your team. Don't make Andy walk alone eh?

[Benny The Noon]

Why is Aquilani being mentioned ? the guy didnt have the bottle or heart to play in the prem - he played well during pre season looking for a move back to Italy.

[Benny The Noon]

Poor, poor Andy. Lots of hatred and anger on here for the poor lad. Everyone needs a scapegoat I guess. Again though it seems very short sighted and naive to blame it all on Andy. Very easy too. Against Bolton we were yet again guilty of hideous service. The only pass that went anywhere near him he got his head on and made a goal. Yes there's lots of other areas to his game that he's failing, but what do you expect. Carroll isn't Messi, or Ronaldo. He can't turn a game around on his own.

Andy Carroll is a player who needs support on and off the pitch. KK sees fit to play him. The other players play with him. He wears Liverpools badge. He plays for Liverpool. He's a Liverpool player. Whilst these things remain true, I will continue to support him.

Get a grip folks. This isn't Football Manager. It's easy to sit here and take the roll of cyber-critics, but life in football is much much different.

Our teams full of mediocrity. Everyone's saying "We're not Newcastle. Andy can't play our way". What is our way? We're awful at the moment. Is Newcastles "way" maybe better than ours?

Support your team. Don't make Andy walk alone eh?

You dont know much about our current fanbase do you.

[Thommo's perm]

Why is Aquilani being mentioned ? the guy didnt have the bottle or heart to play in the prem - he played well during pre season looking for a move back to Italy.

Aquilani proved his point in pre-season that he was a class creative player
The way he was treated here made his mind up that he wanted to play in Italy