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by **parchpea** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:43 pm

Whatever the outcome a big problem now could be how Suarez feels about playing football here with this label and what that will mean. Its not going to be easy for him now and you wouldnt be surprised if he felt like a move may be in his best interests personally and professionally at this point.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:19 pm

parchpea wrote:Whatever the outcome a big problem now could be how Suarez feels about playing football here with this label and what that will mean. Its not going to be easy for him now and you wouldnt be surprised if he felt like a move may be in his best interests personally and professionally at this point.

Don't talk nonsense. The label will apply everywhere except South America.

If he has any character whatsoever he will serve the ban and return to silence the boo boys with goals.

by **RedSi35** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:50 pm

If no appeal is made when does his 8 game ban start? does it include FA / League cup games as well?

by **Kharhaz** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:51 pm

Greavesie wrote:I just find it difficult tbh. I can appreciate what Suarez has done I genuinely can but its as if they've said Evra put in a better performance in the courtroom so he's the winner here - which isn't really an indicator of anything. Evra's being painted in a positive light in all of this and his opening line of 'your sister's pussy' is worthy of a headbutt according to some

Thats not what I meant. My point was that Evra knew exactly what he was doing by instigating the whole incident. I pointed out the Zidane incident as Materazzi also knew what he was doing by going down the same route. The fact Evra went down that route makes it worse for the simple reason his countries icon was sent off for reacting in the way he did.

by **zarababe** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:42 pm

...Evra told the commission, he 'thinks' the ref did not hear him tell him what he was being called?.. wouldn't you make sure the ref heard something like that? and the fact that the ref and no other players including 'half the mancs team' heard anything, + the difference in version makes the judegement all the more 'wobbly'.

I have to say - the ruling has been based on the demeanour of the two players in front of the 'judge and jury', not based on facts that can be backed-up. Even the video footage clearly ony backs up a tussle and altercations, not words used.

Bascially they have taken Ever'a word. Not a leg to stand on .. the club will appeal and should if only to support clearing Luis' name. By accepting the judgement it would be an accpetance of guilt / Evra's version !

by **maguskwt** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:55 pm

I don't mind if they don't reduce Suarez'es ban and penalty...

but Evra should now be charged and found guilty for using abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Suarez when he instigated the provocation by saying "your sister's pussy"...

and also a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Suarez when he referred to Suarez as "you South Amercian"... it's as simple as that... otherwise FA is practicing double standards...

I'm fuming... feckin a holes... :no

by **Greavesie** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:58 pm

and also a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Suarez when he referred to Suarez as "you South Amercian"... it's as simple as that... otherwise FA is practicing double standards...

the report states that they didn't believe it or something along those lines because there's not enough evidence. you couldn't make it up :laugh:

by **Basil** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:48 pm

They seem to have gone through the video with PE just 5 days after the match, taking his statement at the same time.

Then they ask LS for his version of events from memory at a later date.

They dismiss LS's version of events because it didn't fit together as well PE's, what do they expect ? AND believe everything LE said without a scrap of evidence !

It all sounds well dodgy to me.

by **red_guy** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:37 pm

Basil wrote:They seem to have gone through the video with PE just 5 days after the match, taking his statement at the same time.

Then they ask LS for his version of events from memory at a later date.

They dismiss LS's version of events because it didn't fit together as well PE's, what do they expect ? AND believe everything LE said without a scrap of evidence !

It all sounds well dodgy to me.

Yeah, that's what i thought too. Evra's words as evidence? :censored:

!

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:56 pm

Basil wrote:They seem to have gone through the video with PE just 5 days after the match, taking his statement at the same time.

Then they ask LS for his version of events from memory at a later date.

They dismiss LS's version of events because it didn't fit together as well PE's, what do they expect ? AND believe everything LE said without a scrap of evidence !

It all sounds well dodgy to me.

not as dodgy as Luis changing his story a few times.

by **metalhead** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:39 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Basil wrote:They seem to have gone through the video with PE just 5 days after the match, taking his statement at the same time.

Then they ask LS for his version of events from memory at a later date.

They dismiss LS's version of events because it didn't fit together as well PE's, what do they expect ? AND believe everything LE said without a scrap of evidence !

It all sounds well dodgy to me.

not as dodgy as Luis changing his story a few times.

Where?

by **7_Kewell** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:50 pm

319. There were clearly a number of changes in Mr Suarez's account, both of the incident in the
goalmouth and the incident where Mr Suarez admitted to using the word “negro”
between his initial account as reported by Mr Dalglish and Mr Comolli, his interview on 2
November, his witness statement, and his case as presented at the hearing.

He had changed his account in a number of
important respects without satisfactory explanation. As a result, we were hesitant about
accepting Mr Suarez's account of events where it was disputed by other credible witnesses
unless there was solid evidence to support it.

by **metalhead** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:10 pm

7_Kewell wrote:319. There were clearly a number of changes in Mr Suarez's account, both of the incident in the
goalmouth and the incident where Mr Suarez admitted to using the word “negro”
between his initial account as reported by Mr Dalglish and Mr Comolli, his interview on 2
November, his witness statement, and his case as presented at the hearing.

He had changed his account in a number of
important respects without satisfactory explanation. As a result, we were hesitant about
accepting Mr Suarez's account of events where it was disputed by other credible witnesses
unless there was solid evidence to support it.

Then again,

5. The FA's case, in short, was as follows. In the goalmouth, Mr Evra and Mr Suarez spoke to each other in Spanish. Mr Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him, referring to the foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro", meaning "Because you are black". Mr Evra then said to Mr Suarez “say it to me again, I’m going to punch you”. Mr Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks". Mr Evra continued by saying that he now thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr Suarez replied "Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie, blackie, blackie". As Mr Suarez said this, he reached out to touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr Kuyt then intervened. When the referee blew his whistle and called the players over to him shortly after the exchanges in the goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee "ref, ref, he
just called me a :censored:

black".

Does this make Evra more credible?

by **Basil** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:12 pm

But would you remember a dialoguee, word for word, a few weeks after the event ? A dialogue between two people from different continents, who speak different languages ? All said in a pumped up match between these two rivals.

I don't think Luis is a racist or would wind up Evra in a deliberately racist way but perhaps he's not the sharpest tool in the shed and found it difficult to get his version of events across.

I don't see how they can find Luis guilty without any evidence, just on the word of a bloke who was getting a footballing lesson on the pitch. Somebody who is used to everything go his way and doesn't like it one little bit when things against him.

by **worcester_red** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:22 pm

To hell with appealing this in front f the same panel who stitched us up already, I think LFC should sue the FA for damages, take it to a proper court of law and btw how many matches will Terry be banned for??

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