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by **neil** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:38 am

damjan193 wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:he was injured....

See my point now?

no mate, I made the point.

by **neil** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:39 am

Kharhaz wrote:
damjan193 wrote:I'm sure he played the 1-1 draw with Wigan...

He didnt.... he was injured....

or rested?

by **neil** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:43 am

Kharhaz wrote:
damjan193 wrote:I'm sure he played the 1-1 draw with Wigan...

He didnt.... he was injured....

Reina
Johnson
Carragher ©
Skrtel
Kelly
Aurelio
Leiva
Meireles
Rodríguez
Suárez
Kuyt

by **damjan193** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:45 am

This isnt the place to be talking about Daniel Agger this much, but I'll say just one more thing. Neil's point is that he's a quality, world class defender, in which I dont dissagree, but my point was that we should MAYBU (he was in my maybus

) consider getting rid of him becouse he is injury prone. If he can stay fit I would gladly keep him.

by **ethanr** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:45 am

neil wrote:he's not injured enough to warrant giving him to someone else thats for sure. Best defender in prem imho, utter world class.

I agree with Neil on this one. Agger has been our best CB this season in my opinion, the most consistent and the only one who doesn't hoof the ball up the pitch, but actually moves it. He does get injured, but if we keep him and get another CB who is a starter, we don't even have to start Agger, we can start the other guy, or we start Agger and the other guy and sit Carra a bit. We will have 3 very solid CB's and when Agger get's hurt, because he will, we will still have 2 very solid CB's. If another one manages to get hurt, we still have Wilson we can stick in there.

by **metalhead** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:09 am

7_Kewell wrote:3. Konchesky
6. Aurelio
12. Pacheco
14. Jovanovic
17. Maxi
26. Spearing
28. Poulsen
32. Darby
- Aquilani
- Degen
- El Zhar
- Insua

They can all go. Not good enough or too injury prone/past their best to be of use.

Same, although I wouldn't mind Aquilani coming back, could give us an option

by **Raoul** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:16 am

We can't afford a huge clearout, just when we're getting some stability at the club, so these are the people I'd like to see go (there are others I'd be happy to see replaced as well, but generally I see those players as squad players as new additions come in during summer, or perhaps being sold in Jan or the following summer as the team is progressively improved).

1. Jones (if we can replace him with someone better, without any significant cost, then go for it, otherwise happy to have him)
3. Konchesky (get rid)
6. Aurelio (love him, but he is injured far too much)
14. Jovanovic (hasn't cut it)
24. Ngog (he needs to be playing regularly, and I think if we find ourselves a bit short upfront then giving a kid some playing time is hardly a bad option for a team that is, lets face it, rebuilding)
32. Darby (I don't honestly know, but I'm swayed by Greavsie above)
- Degen (get rid)
- El Zhar (don't think he is good enough)

I don't know enough about the rest of the kids to make a decision so I'll leave them there.

by **PabloMedina28** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:20 am

STAY

1. Jones - Good enough as back up
4. Meireles - Quality will get better with better wingers
7. Suarez - World Class
9. Carroll - Young, English, gives us options and brings others into the game
12. Pacheco - Quality, young and versatile, pointless to get rid without giving him a chance
22. D Wilson - Quality, young and versatile could be the LB for a decade when he makes the cut
25. Reina - Best keeper in the world
30. Suso - Quality player, could become a legend and become a 40 million plus player
31. Sterling - As Above
33. Shelvey - Very dynamic, has it all when he finds his feet he could be the new Stevie G
34. Kelly - Awesome talent, will become Liverpool Legend
35. Coady - Scouser, young, versatile, leader could be a great player
38. Flanagan - Scouser, young, very similar to Carra in his attitude could become a great
squad player
40. Ayala - Very similar to Hyypia (not blessed with pace but has good positional skills),
composed on the ball, Young, could become great squad player
43. Bouzanis - 3rd choice keeper, young and has potential
45. Ince - English, young,fast skillful winger and could become a great quad player
47. Wisdom - Young, english, powerhouse of a defender, leader, could be better then Kelly and lead
the defense for a decade49. Robinson -
49. Robinson - Young, english, similar to Flangan with possible more potential could become agreat
squad player and maybe upsurp Wilson in the future
- Mavinga - Similar to Ayala not in playing style but what we could get from him

Undecided (If NESV give us signicant funds id keep all these players, if we need to recoup money its a different story)

2. Johnson + Battle it out with Kelly for RB, Versatile and better CBs will bring out the best in him
- Kelly is a more solid RB and younger, we could still command a high fee for him
could help us improve weaker areas in the team
5. Agger + One of the true quality players in the squad, world class when fit, gives our team a new
dimension when he plays, would help new defenders coming through with his experience
- Far too injury prone would still command a high fee, stability is what we need at the back
8. Gerrard + The heartbeat of the team, a legend and deserves to retire with us
- Wrong side of 30, becoming another injury prone player, need stability in the midfileld
would command a high fee still
18. Kuyt + Heart like a lion and always up for the big games, great guy to have in the locer room
- In his 30s, technically not good enough for the wing and is 3rd choice striker
21. Lucas + Improved alot over the last 18 months and is still young, get character and does a job for
the team, good squad player
- Still not the type of player who can control a game, doesnt score or get assists enough
Aquilani + Quality player who is already on the books, looks to be over his injurys, xabiesque
passing and Kenny could breath new life into his Liverpool career
- Jury still out on injurys and desire to play in premiership, would get a decent fee for him
- Insua + Young (still not many LBs out thier as good as him at his age), already on the books,
gained more experience could a great little player for us as 1st or 2nd choice, with
better CB 2 allow him to attack more freely. Wouldnt need to be rushed into the
first team like last time
- Maybe too leightwieght, Probally wants to leave now

GET RID

3. Konchesky - :censored:

6. Aurelio - Quality player when fit, never fit
10. J Cole - Past it, old, on a high wage and we could still get a decent fee for him
14. Jovanovic - :censored:

16. Kyrgiakos - Too old and slow, prone to mistakes
17. Maxi - :censored:

23. Carragher - Too old retire as a legend
24. Ngog - :censored:

26. Spearing - Never gonna be good enough, deserves to be a first teamer somewhere
28. Poulsen - :censored:

32. Darby - Same as Spearing
36. Irwin - As Above
37. Skrtel - Brilliant on his day, liability most days
39. Eccleston - Not good enough
41. Hansen - Not good enough
42. Gulacsi - Not good enough
44. Mendy - Not good enough
46. Amoo - Not good enough
48. Bruna - Not good enough
- Degen - :censored:

- El Zhar - Not good enough
- Cooper - Not good enough

On Loan

- Chamberlain - Dont know enough about him
- Kohlert - As Above
- Roberts - As Above
- Saric - As Above
- Sokolik - As Above
- Thomas -As above

by **PabloMedina28** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:22 am

neil wrote:Last six games without Agger: W1 D3 L2
Last six games with Agger : W6 D0 L0 - all clean sheets.

No ones doubting his class, things is with Agger is that them 6 games could take place over 2-3 month period.

by **Thewaykokid** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:32 am

1. Jones- Is he really needed? He's not particular young nor a prospect...
3. Konchesky - Does this really need explaining
10. J Cole- Too old, doesn't make enough of an impact off the bench, clear the way for youth
12. Pacheco- With the current crop of young guns and others around him, I think his time is up, hasn't delivered enough in 1st team opportunities
14. Jovanovic- Again, too old, not enough impact, at least we can give younger players with a bright future the chance to prove themselves
16. Kyrgiakos- Similar situation. See Dagger and Carra starting, Skrtel good cover with Wilson as the youth prospect, no need for him despite some good attributes
24. Ngog- I don't know, i just think we would've seen more from him by now than we have if he's such a prospect, so i think he should be shipped and give others a go in the 1st team as backup
28. Poulsen- Alongside some real dross performances, not needed in midfield with good prospects in spearing and shelvey, and starters like Lucas, Meireles and Gerrard
32. Darby- Just seems to have dissapeared and in the few chances he got in the first team isn't good enough, Kelly, Johnson, Aurelio and Insua would suffice for me, with a possible signing in the off season.
On Loan
- Degen- Not needed at all
- El Zhar- Where is he? Never too impressed with him, can make way for more promising prospects

For those talking about Dagger, my personal opinion is with the likes of Skrtel and Wilson providing cover, with Kelly also being able to take up the CB role, I think its worth sticking with him as he is by far and away the best CB we have, not just defensively, but also in our attack. Notice the balance in the Sunderland game between the direct ball to Carrol and the build up play, expecially in the latter stages of the 1st half and the 2nd half. I think Agger provides that control in the defence thats needed to help balance the game plan.

by **Octsky** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:11 am

neil wrote:Last six games without Agger: W1 D3 L2
Last six games with Agger : W6 D0 L0 - all clean sheets.

thats too primitive method to measure Agger's contribution to the team.

we have to look at individual stats ie) tackles made, blocks, headers etc etc.

if you want to find a link u probably find an association between games won and the weather or games won and games attended by uncle bobby, etc etc.

at the end of the day, i like Agger when he is there, if he is there.
but will he be happy to sit on the bench?

by **laza** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:14 am

Thewaykokid wrote:1. Jones- Is he really needed? He's not particular young nor a prospect...
3. Konchesky - Does this really need explaining
10. J Cole- Too old, doesn't make enough of an impact off the bench, clear the way for youth
12. Pacheco- With the current crop of young guns and others around him, I think his time is up, hasn't delivered enough in 1st team opportunities
14. Jovanovic- Again, too old, not enough impact, at least we can give younger players with a bright future the chance to prove themselves
16. Kyrgiakos- Similar situation. See Dagger and Carra starting, Skrtel good cover with Wilson as the youth prospect, no need for him despite some good attributes
24. Ngog- I don't know, i just think we would've seen more from him by now than we have if he's such a prospect, so i think he should be shipped and give others a go in the 1st team as backup
28. Poulsen- Alongside some real dross performances, not needed in midfield with good prospects in spearing and shelvey, and starters like Lucas, Meireles and Gerrard

Pretty much agree with all that except I see no harm in perceiving with Panchero for least another season. Also Kyrgiakos makes for solid cover in area where we have injury concerns and would keep him on books as well

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:31 am

SELL
Jones - i never understood the point of having so many keepers.
Konchesky - poor signing
Aurelio - injured way to often
Maxi - past it
Kyrgiakos - i really like him but we need a younger defender especially with Carragher being an automatic selection
Jovanovic - would rather see him leave so that he doesn't take the place of one of the youngsters from moving up
Ngog - not good enough
Spearing - been here too long and he isn't gonna get any better
Poulsen - past it
Aquilani - bags of ability, but not in England
Degen - poor signing in the first place
Insua - same as El Zhar
El Zhar - he has come as far as he could go

NEXT SEASON'S TEAM
GK - Reina, Gulacsi
DEF - Johnson, Agger, Wilson, Carragher, Kelly, Darby, Skrtel,
MID - Meireles, Gerrard, Lucas, Shelvey
AM - Cole, Pacheco,
ST - Suarez, Carroll, Kuyt

THOSE NOT MENTIONED
The following players has loads of potential or seen very little action with the first team so therefore to let them go without giving them more time would be unjust:
Suso , Sterling, Coady, Irwin, Flanagan, Eccleston, Ayala, Hansen, Bouzanis, Mendy, Ince, Amoo, Wisdom, Bruna, Robinson, Chamberlain, Cooper, Kohlert, Mavinga, Roberts, Saric, Sokolik and Thomas

PLAYERS TO BUY
would love to see Sakho and Taiwo join us. the good thing about Sakho is that he can play in the central defence and left back as well. i doubt Dortmund would allow Subotic to leave. but Cahil from Bolton would be pretty cheap as they are having some financial difficulties.

i'm really unsure where Charlie Adam would fit in. i honestly like the trio of Gerrard, Meireles and Lucas in midfield. what we're badly missing is wingers to create opportunities.

with regards to the cursed left wing postion, Jarvis and Dzsudzsák are 2 players to keep an eye on. especially the Hungarian. doing really well for PSV at the moment. as for the right wing, Blaszczykowski or Kagawa will do for me.

by **Johnny Boy** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 9:36 am

Get rid:

3. Konchesky - should never have signed him
6. Aurelio - can't play 3 games without getting injured
10. J Cole - injury prone and has shown little when fit
14. Jovanovic - just not good enough
17. Maxi - as above
24. Ngog - as above
28. Poulsen - should never have signed him
37. Skrtel - had a bad season, needs replacing with a top class centre back, I just don't think he is good enough
- Degen - not good enough
- El Zhar - not good enough
- Insua - not good enough

Not sure on Pacheco, has he had enough chances?

Jones isn't even on the bench, would be surprised if he was with us next season

Not sure on Spearing thought he did okay against Sunderland.

Haven't seen enough of a lot of the younger players, Wisdom I like the look of though.

by **TarnRed** » Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:39 am

PabloMedina28 wrote:STAY

1. Jones - Good enough as back up
4. Meireles - Quality will get better with better wingers
7. Suarez - World Class
9. Carroll - Young, English, gives us options and brings others into the game
12. Pacheco - Quality, young and versatile, pointless to get rid without giving him a chance
22. D Wilson - Quality, young and versatile could be the LB for a decade when he makes the cut
25. Reina - Best keeper in the world
30. Suso - Quality player, could become a legend and become a 40 million plus player
31. Sterling - As Above
33. Shelvey - Very dynamic, has it all when he finds his feet he could be the new Stevie G
34. Kelly - Awesome talent, will become Liverpool Legend
35. Coady - Scouser, young, versatile, leader could be a great player
38. Flanagan - Scouser, young, very similar to Carra in his attitude could become a great
squad player
40. Ayala - Very similar to Hyypia (not blessed with pace but has good positional skills),
composed on the ball, Young, could become great squad player
43. Bouzanis - 3rd choice keeper, young and has potential
45. Ince - English, young,fast skillful winger and could become a great quad player
47. Wisdom - Young, english, powerhouse of a defender, leader, could be better then Kelly and lead
the defense for a decade49. Robinson -
49. Robinson - Young, english, similar to Flangan with possible more potential could become agreat
squad player and maybe upsurp Wilson in the future
- Mavinga - Similar to Ayala not in playing style but what we could get from him

Undecided (If NESV give us signicant funds id keep all these players, if we need to recoup money its a different story)

2. Johnson + Battle it out with Kelly for RB, Versatile and better CBs will bring out the best in him
- Kelly is a more solid RB and younger, we could still command a high fee for him
could help us improve weaker areas in the team
5. Agger + One of the true quality players in the squad, world class when fit, gives our team a new
dimension when he plays, would help new defenders coming through with his experience
- Far too injury prone would still command a high fee, stability is what we need at the back
8. Gerrard + The heartbeat of the team, a legend and deserves to retire with us
- Wrong side of 30, becoming another injury prone player, need stability in the midfileld
would command a high fee still
18. Kuyt + Heart like a lion and always up for the big games, great guy to have in the locer room
- In his 30s, technically not good enough for the wing and is 3rd choice striker
21. Lucas + Improved alot over the last 18 months and is still young, get character and does a job for
the team, good squad player
- Still not the type of player who can control a game, doesnt score or get assists enough
Aquilani + Quality player who is already on the books, looks to be over his injurys, xabiesque
passing and Kenny could breath new life into his Liverpool career
- Jury still out on injurys and desire to play in premiership, would get a decent fee for him
- Insua + Young (still not many LBs out thier as good as him at his age), already on the books,
gained more experience could a great little player for us as 1st or 2nd choice, with
better CB 2 allow him to attack more freely. Wouldnt need to be rushed into the
first team like last time
- Maybe too leightwieght, Probally wants to leave now

GET RID

3. Konchesky -
6. Aurelio - Quality player when fit, never fit
10. J Cole - Past it, old, on a high wage and we could still get a decent fee for him
14. Jovanovic -
16. Kyrgiakos - Too old and slow, prone to mistakes
17. Maxi -
23. Carragher - Too old retire as a legend
24. Ngog -
26. Spearing - Never gonna be good enough, deserves to be a first teamer somewhere
28. Poulsen -
32. Darby - Same as Spearing
36. Irwin - As Above
37. Skrtel - Brilliant on his day, liability most days
39. Eccleston - Not good enough
41. Hansen - Not good enough
42. Gulacsi - Not good enough
44. Mendy - Not good enough
46. Amoo - Not good enough
48. Bruna - Not good enough
- Degen -
- El Zhar - Not good enough
- Cooper - Not good enough

On Loan

- Chamberlain - Dont know enough about him
- Kohlert - As Above
- Roberts - As Above
- Saric - As Above
- Sokolik - As Above
- Thomas -As above

Gulacsi not good enough. :laugh:

Kenny has him second choice over Brad Jones, and Bouzanis cannot even make the reserves.

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