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by **andy_g** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:42 pm

Ring-of-Fire wrote:Why do you have to be so condescending? Especially towards someone who speaks English as a foreign language?

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because he's a meff who even seems incapable of thinking in his own language. and i don't really give a toss if you have an issue with that.

by **Ring-of-Fire** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:45 pm

Bad Bob wrote:I'd be fine with the decision of the new owners were to sack him now and appoint Kenny as interim manager. Roy doesn't feel like a long-term manager for this club so it's really just a question of when rather than if when it comes to getting shut. That's my honest perspective from a footballing standpoint. From a Newkit standpoint I wake up everyday hoping he's been sacked so that this place might go back to being mildly interesting and enjoyable once again. Of course, then I realize that we'll probably still be arguing about Roy months after he's gone, as has happened with the other previous manager.

Rafa should still be here and would have been had it been up to the match-going fans and not a pair of tw@ts and a hand full of spanners on the internet. It's our right to feel aggrieved by that catastrophic decision and the total boob of appointing a loser in his place. It is also our right to voice our discontent at the entire debacle on a forum dedicated to the club.

Or should we pretend to be happy that our club is being flushed down the sh!tter by a man who has admitted that he can't do any more?

by **Ring-of-Fire** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:46 pm

andy_g wrote:
Ring-of-Fire wrote:Why do you have to be so condescending? Especially towards someone who speaks English as a foreign language?

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because he's a meff who even seems incapable of thinking in his own language. and i don't really give a toss if you have an issue with that.

Well there's a surprise. :help

by **Ciggy** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:53 pm

7_Kewell wrote:and after we've paid him a few million to leave, we replace him with who?

You didnt answer the question why should Roy be given more time? Its obvious going by his track record he cannot and will not turn us around.

Obviously a new manager coming in isnt going to turn Dirk Kuyt into Messi, but if there is money available in january we can buy a right midfielder or play Geln Johnson there, I would not give Roy a single penny in January 3 out of his 4 buys have been a failure.

I would prefer someone like kenny and Thommo to come in until the end of the season lets face it they cant do any worst than Roy and when we have a proper chairman inplace who knows the score, along with Commoli & Kenny instead of financial advisor "Purslow" picking and chosing who the next Liverpool manager will be that is when this club can and will move forward.

If things are so bad now I dread to think what its going to be like at the end of the season if Hodgson stays, he could set us back atleast 5-10 years seriously.

by **metalhead** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:54 pm

Ring-of-Fire wrote:No. It's because they were all busy jizzing over their keyboards when Rafa left and were absolute in their convictions that Roy would get us playing better with his 'motivational skills'. Now their predictions have turned to sh!t, they are too embarrassed and stubborn to admit they were wrong about most things they spewed out.

What are you on about? most on here who wanted Rafa to go also had doubts on Roy's ability to improve from last season's diabolical performances, but they were prepared to give him a chance because he deserved one from the start.

by **metalhead** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:56 pm

Ciggy wrote:he could set us back atleast 5-10 years seriously.

we are already there, before Roy ever came into management.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:57 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
andy_g wrote:i think that under the chaotic circumstances that any new manager would have entered the club he would deserve a little time for the club as a whole to settle. i think that maybe a little more time would be necessary to see if we can get a couple of good players in january. i think he also needs time because his super star striker is sulking around the pitch like a spoilt brat who has forgotten how to play football. i think he also needs time to get some proper defenders back from injury. i think he also deserves a little more time because he has shown that he wants us to play a more attacking 4-4-2 (which many of us wanted to see) and because he is showing faith in the youth. finally i think he deserved time because apart from the one bad signing (poulsen) and the mediocre one (konchesky) he has made one excellent signing in raul mereiles.

i'm realistic enough to know that its possible he might not be able to really deliver despite these little signs amongst the larger upheavals, but at this moment in time i don't think it would be at all practical to try it with someone else.

Andy ,the man has been a manager for 35years .He has been liverpool manager for nearly half a season . He has done nothing in those 35 years and half a season with us to warrant more time . He isn't going to change his style of playing footy (he said so himself). He's also said that he is doing his best and can do no more . That's fair enough but it's clearly not good enough . Let him go now and let us either get kenny in until the end of the season which will give us time to get the right man in or get the right man in now if they have a choice . We cannot go on like this as evryone is demorilised , the team clearly is and the fans speak for themselves.

Will Kenny do any better? I doubt it, if anything it’d be worse.

At the very least, Roy should stay until the summer. That’ll give the owners time to sort out the mess behind the scenes, get a transfer strategy in place and decide the best route to move the club forward.

Changing for the sake of it won’t do any good.

by **Ring-of-Fire** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:58 pm

metalhead wrote:
Ring-of-Fire wrote:No. It's because they were all busy jizzing over their keyboards when Rafa left and were absolute in their convictions that Roy would get us playing better with his 'motivational skills'. Now their predictions have turned to sh!t, they are too embarrassed and stubborn to admit they were wrong about most things they spewed out.

What are you on about? most on here who wanted Rafa to go also had doubts on Roy's ability to improve from last season's diabolical performances, but they were prepared to give him a chance because he deserved one from the start.

Most? Are you sure?

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:59 pm

7_Kewell wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
andy_g wrote:i think that under the chaotic circumstances that any new manager would have entered the club he would deserve a little time for the club as a whole to settle. i think that maybe a little more time would be necessary to see if we can get a couple of good players in january. i think he also needs time because his super star striker is sulking around the pitch like a spoilt brat who has forgotten how to play football. i think he also needs time to get some proper defenders back from injury. i think he also deserves a little more time because he has shown that he wants us to play a more attacking 4-4-2 (which many of us wanted to see) and because he is showing faith in the youth. finally i think he deserved time because apart from the one bad signing (poulsen) and the mediocre one (konchesky) he has made one excellent signing in raul mereiles.

i'm realistic enough to know that its possible he might not be able to really deliver despite these little signs amongst the larger upheavals, but at this moment in time i don't think it would be at all practical to try it with someone else.

Andy ,the man has been a manager for 35years .He has been liverpool manager for nearly half a season . He has done nothing in those 35 years and half a season with us to warrant more time . He isn't going to change his style of playing footy (he said so himself). He's also said that he is doing his best and can do no more . That's fair enough but it's clearly not good enough . Let him go now and let us either get kenny in until the end of the season which will give us time to get the right man in or get the right man in now if they have a choice . We cannot go on like this as evryone is demorilised , the team clearly is and the fans speak for themselves.

Will Kenny do any better? I doubt it, if anything it’d be worse.

At the very least, Roy should stay until the summer. That’ll give the owners time to sort out the mess behind the scenes, get a transfer strategy in place and decide the best route to move the club forward.

Changing for the sake of it won’t do any good.

Why wouldnt kenny do any better than Hodgson ? He is a more successful manager than Hodgson in only a third of the time .

It shoudl be the very most that Hodgson shoudl stay till summer

Also can you please tell me the positives that Hodgson has brought to the club so far - what is it that tells you that he should be given time .

by **Ciggy** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:02 pm

Why Hodgson must face up to being rubbed out as Liverpool manager

By Steve Anglesey in Laptop with Martin Lipton

Published 09:56 15/12/10

He probably thought he was out of the woods.

But suddenly Roy Hodgson is back in a dark, dark place. And only a brave man, or an inveterate optimist, would suggest he will still be Liverpool manager in August.

While Hodgson appeared the ideal, safe pair of hands, choice to replace Rafa Benitez in the summer, lauded by players and board members alike, it has not turned out that way.

Watching Hodgson bizarrely rubbing his face during Saturday's miserable defeat by a Newcastle side who should have been sitting ducks after their own internal shenanigans was an object lesson in the effect of pressure.

That miserable away record of just five points out of 27 - relegation form, if he himself is being honest, and certainly not good enough to even think about earning a Europa League place next season, let alone getting back among the big boys of the Champions League - is just the beginning of Hodgson's problems.

It does not help that, unlike Benitez, there is no residual pool of loyalty for him to call on.

Where many Liverpool fans responded to those articles question the Spaniard and his longevity as though they were attacks on their own families - despite the fact that, as widely predicted, the axe did fall at the end of the season, thereby justifying all the arguments that it was inevitably heading that way - they are the self-same people propelling the demise of the new incumbent.

Criticising Hodgson seems like the new blood sport of choice on Merseyside, the antis growing in number with every passing week, the pros declining at an even more rapid rate.

Hodgson has not helped himself with mainly second rate acquisitions. While Raul Meireles has performed more than adequately, Joe Cole has yet to fire in the manner of which he is unquestionably capable, Paul Konchesky has looked exactly what you would expect from a player who has done the rounds of Spurs, Charlton, West Ham and Fulham without ever looking the real deal and Christian Poulsen has made Lucas appear like a global superstar.

The negative tactical approach, especially away from Anfield - as if Hodgson has not realised he is no longer at Fulham, where resources and expectations were so much lesser - has not helped, either.

Liverpool fans, with reason, believe they are a big club and should approach games in the manner of a big club, proactive and not reactive. Playing, seemingly, for a draw is not in their collective mind-set.

If Hodgson was hoping for two home games to take the heat off, Utrecht tonight and then the visit of Hodgson's old club on Saturday, he was swiftly disabused of that notion by the phone-in performances of Principal Owner John W Henry and his business partner and new club chairman Tom Werner.

Branding performances over the past year - including the first half of this season - as "unacceptable" was more than a warning shot across Hodgson's bows. It seemed, in fact, more like the opening salvo of a battle which can only have one outcome.

Having sat six feet away from the two Americans, across the oak table of a Bloomsbury hotel last month, my impressions were simple.

Henry and Werner will do whatever they can to make Liverpool great and and they will give their manager total support.

But Hodgson is not their manager. He is the one they inherited. And he will be the one they get rid of when they decide the time is right, to enable them to install the man of their choice, the man who will accept working alongside Damian Comolli.

And while Hodgson praised the Americans for the "patience", the only question now, it seems, is when that time is deemed to have come.

Should Fulham - who have not won away, remember, since Bobby Zamora's backside earned them three points at Portsmouth on the opening day of last season - triumph on Saturday then that time might be even closer than Henry and Werner originally anticipated.

No wonder Hodgson was more than slightly prickly as he held court yesterday, trying to avoid questions that went beyond the remit of a dead rubber in the Europa League.

"Once again I come here to do a European press conference, playing Utrecht when we are top of the table, and I find myself answering questions about owners and whether I am safe - it is a sad situation," said Hodgson.

"I came here to do a European press conference, which I am forced to do for UEFA, when really and truly I am doing a phone-in with you. That is the nature of the game, it seems to be the major preoccupation of the mass media because they want to see change."

He might have got away with that at Motspur Park but not at Melwood. Not when he is manager of Liverpool.

And if Hodgson cannot see that, cannot see the wider picture, then he is not the man or the manager I believe him to be. And probably, sadly, not the manager of Liverpool for too much longer.

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by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:05 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
andy_g wrote:i'm not defending roy to the hilt. i think he has shortcomings and i don't for a moment believe he should be a long term appointment for a club with our ambitions.

Serious Question here.

What credentials does Roy Hodgson have to justify giving him time to turn things round?

It's a really simple question. Is it just because some see getting rid of a manager mid-season as Geordie behaviour as we've always changed our manager in the summer? People waiting for the summer to stick with that tradition?

With every manager I can remember us having, they'd earned the right to become our manager and had the credentials to be given time if things didn't start off too well. Even Souness - he was an ex-player and had just won all kinds with Rangers. Houllier had just turned the whole of French football around and helped with the development of the French side that won the Euros and World Cup. Benitez had a proven record of overturning Barcelona and Real Madrid with his Valencia side, and had them playing the brilliant football we all witnessed when his side crushed us at Anfield.

They all had the credentials to back up any early pleas to give them time if it went wrong early doors. Roy Hodgson hasn't.

There is nothing on his 35 year long CV to indicate he can turn us round. He's played the same style of football through those years, has no intention of changing, and admitted himself yesterday he can't do any more / better than he's doing here at the minute.

Any of the "give him time" mob want to try and answer the question in bold?

and after we've paid him a few million to leave, we replace him with who?

What answer did you come up with when people asked you the same question when you were asking for Rafa to go ?

Do you have an answer yet 7 Kewell ?

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:07 pm

Ciggy wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:and after we've paid him a few million to leave, we replace him with who?

You didnt answer the question why should Roy be given more time? Its obvious going by his track record he cannot and will not turn us around.

Obviously a new manager coming in isnt going to turn Dirk Kuyt into Messi, but if there is money available in january we can buy a right midfielder or play Geln Johnson there, I would not give Roy a single penny in January 3 out of his 4 buys have been a failure.

I would prefer someone like kenny and Thommo to come in until the end of the season lets face it they cant do any worst than Roy and when we have a proper chairman inplace who knows the score, along with Commoli & Kenny instead of financial advisor "Purslow" picking and chosing who the next Liverpool manager will be that is when this club can and will move forward.

If things are so bad now I dread to think what its going to be like at the end of the season if Hodgson stays, he could set us back atleast 5-10 years seriously.

As I said in my other post, change for the sake of change will not improve things.

Kenny is part of our history and I wouldn’t want to see him in the dug out anymore than I’d want to see a 50 year old Ian Rush playing up front. Then there’s Kenny’s inability to cope with pressure…what happens if things get too much for him (again) and he walks? We’ll be looking for our 3rd manager in one season!

Roy has to stay until the summer…if things haven’t worked out by then, fine look ahead and find someone young and willing to see out a new 5 year plan. But bringing peopel back from our past for mere sentimental reasons is pure madness.

by **7_Kewell** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:09 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
7_Kewell wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
andy_g wrote:i'm not defending roy to the hilt. i think he has shortcomings and i don't for a moment believe he should be a long term appointment for a club with our ambitions.

Serious Question here.

What credentials does Roy Hodgson have to justify giving him time to turn things round?

It's a really simple question. Is it just because some see getting rid of a manager mid-season as Geordie behaviour as we've always changed our manager in the summer? People waiting for the summer to stick with that tradition?

With every manager I can remember us having, they'd earned the right to become our manager and had the credentials to be given time if things didn't start off too well. Even Souness - he was an ex-player and had just won all kinds with Rangers. Houllier had just turned the whole of French football around and helped with the development of the French side that won the Euros and World Cup. Benitez had a proven record of overturning Barcelona and Real Madrid with his Valencia side, and had them playing the brilliant football we all witnessed when his side crushed us at Anfield.

They all had the credentials to back up any early pleas to give them time if it went wrong early doors. Roy Hodgson hasn't.

There is nothing on his 35 year long CV to indicate he can turn us round. He's played the same style of football through those years, has no intention of changing, and admitted himself yesterday he can't do any more / better than he's doing here at the minute.

Any of the "give him time" mob want to try and answer the question in bold?

and after we've paid him a few million to leave, we replace him with who?

What answer did you come up with when people asked you the same question when you were asking for Rafa to go ?

Do you have an answer yet 7 Kewell ?

i'm not getting dragged into another RAFA debate. i'm sick to death of discussing the man. This is a Roy Hodgson thread.

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:10 pm

Its not change for the sake of change - its change to improve us .

What is this Kennys inability to deal with pressure rubbish .

by **Benny The Noon** » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:14 pm

A monumental error was made during the summer - a 9 million pound massive error was made and we need to fix that error as soon as possible . We replaced a manager with someone massively inferior and we now need to get rid of the inferior manager and either

1. Bring in Kenny to watch the team till the end of the season and then look at options

2. Spend money and bring in a Van Gaal, Hiddink,Loew

3. Bring in a Coyle and get him to work with Kenny

Any of those options will be better than the inferior mid table manager we currently have .

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