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by **devaney** » Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:25 pm

RBG - Some accolade for a player that most of us agreed would never succeed in the EPL and I hold my hands up I was one of them. To say that I have been impressed with the way that Lucas has improved and handled himself during an extremely difficult period would be an understatement. He's a really good guy and fully deserves a decent contract. Just wish his attitude would rub off on a few others. Interesting that he is a good mate of Kuyt's who is another one works his little Dutch b.ollucks off !! Perhaps they could take Ryan to one side. Mind you perhaps they already have given his performance against Villa.

by **redhayesy** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:40 am

Rockthekop wrote:Some people are getting carried away on here, best to wait and see how he develops before hailing Lucas a success or a first choice player.

Most of his performances haven't been good enough since he was signed, well until recently that is. I don't know how people reckon he's been playing well for a year or so, he hasn't.

very good post mate, i totally agree because of the fact it's all about consistancy! when & if that happens i will be the first to hold my hands up & say i'm wrong!

for me he wasn't good last season on a consistant basis- i went to enough games to witness so. this season- same again, in certain games he has made a good contribution,that's all-it's about 90 mins plus etc for me. the centre midfield position is all about being the engine of the team,that's alround contribution & not just playing the ball sideways or playing the easy ball, it's about getting foward when on the attack,defending the play & being intelegent enough to stop the oppo from getting into dangerous areas,not giving away silly ,dangerous free kicks time & time again like he does.

some say roy has reckognised his perforfances since he took charge, i'd say that for all his faults -he has dropped Lucas in games this season,reguardless of the game etc he has made a piont of stateing it's all about consistancy to be picked every week,so for that i do agree. the likes of cole need to take that on board aswell,as he wasn't picked automactically for the last game either.

competition for places is what i want to see, it's the way it's always been done- long may it continue reguardless of budget etc.

by **metalhead** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:55 am

andy_g wrote:i don't think that its fair to blame the non-functioning of that axis on lucas though, MH. it was discussed to within an inch of its life throughout the season as well. put just about any two defensive midfielders in the same team and they'll probably non-function in a similar way - incompatibility doesn't necessarily mean bad players.

It really depends mate, if you have two defensive midfielders but aren't similar in their style of play it works. It worked when we had Alonso - Mascherano for example. Yes, I agree, it doesn't mean that they were bad players, it only means that the two players (Lucas-Masch) were not getting the best out of each other in midfield because they have similar style, so it caused us problems. Now we are seeing a much better Lucas because he has a totally different player next to him who is getting the best out of him. Plus, we look more industrious and dynamic with maxi-meireles-lucas-kuyt midfield four, all work hard in defence and attack and compliment each other, thats why we are seeing better football being played and getting some results on the way.

by **metalhead** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:01 am

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:The job Lucas was given in midfield when Alonso departed was always destined to be a thankless task ...speaking personally I believe he has always tried to perform that role admirably ,how people can say he didn't last season beggars belief, he was one of our best players and the only one who was willing to make a tackle ....just think of how daunting a midfield that included Mascherano and Gerrard a team that had pushed the Mancs all the way ,suddenly those players I've mentioned literally spitting their collective dummies out and deciding they would show no fight ..
I was unfortunate to witness a few of those very games the Lad ran his heart out with little reward ....Gerrard's contribution or lack of it was a disgrace so too Mascherano ..... they clearly had distractions Mascherano obviously wanted out and Gerrard had asked the manager for his permission to have surgery in order not to miss the World Cup ....the refusal by Benitez brought about these shameful performances
fans who pay their hard earned coin to travel to these shithole grounds of the Premiership were forced to endure these games shorn of our usual combative midfield ....only Lucas looked like he could give a fuck in those games
So it is no surprise that the Lad is now receiving the plaudits he so readily deserves ..Lucas is a great little player who is on top of his game right now and playing with real authority ...for me the Lad should have been our Captain when SG was injured his contribution to our improving game has been that important

Saying that he was our best player last season is an overstatement. He wasn't, he looked ok, he put some bad performances, average and some good ones too. I'll give you his work ethic, which is fantastic, but Gerrard has it and so does Mascherano. His lack of ability showed last season, his passing wasn't the best, he lost possession and gave away silly free kicks in dangerous positions. This season, he is showing a different type of consistency, his passing is getting better, he is showing more intelligence and he is trying to support our attacks.

Maybe Roy is getting the best out of him

by **LiverpoolMadman** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:14 am

mramo wrote:
Waldo wrote:Roy should be looking to get Lucas on a new long-term contract.

Looks like you were right, Lad.

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpo....7801232

It's too early to offer him a long contract ....

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:51 pm

Best player in a Liverpool shirt again today ...only Johnson run him close

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:52 pm

Double post

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:43 pm

Sky Sports

Brazilian pleased Hodgson decided not to sell in the summer.

Lucas Leiva is pleased he did not leave Liverpool in the summer after emerging as an important member of the first team at Anfield.

The Brazil international was told in the close season he would be sold if a suitable bid was received in the transfer window.

As a result, Lucas was linked with Juventus, Sevilla and South American club Santos, and the 23-year-old has confirmed he was the subject of 'a few offers' from unnamed sources.

But Liverpool decided not to sell and the 2007 arrival from Gremio is now an integral part of manager Roy Hodgson's rebuilding process at Anfield, with reports suggesting a new contract is on the horizon.
Professional

"When they told me, I said I will try to find a club, but that I would not go just anywhere," Lucas said in the Daily Telegraph when asked about Liverpool's summer intention to sell.

"[I said] I think I can be at a good club, since Liverpool is a good club and I had been here for three years.

"But I also said I would fight for my place, I will train, that I am a professional. It was not easy, but sometimes you have to be calm.

"A few offers came, but Liverpool did not accept them. I am glad that I stayed, because I am playing well, helping the team, and I am more important now than I was a few months ago.

I will be delighted if the Lad signs a new contract his partnership with Meireles needs time to blossom ,and his performances have been one of the very rare plus points in what's been a dismal first half of the season ...............

by **roberto green** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:55 pm

RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Sky Sports

Brazilian pleased Hodgson decided not to sell in the summer.

Lucas Leiva is pleased he did not leave Liverpool in the summer after emerging as an important member of the first team at Anfield.

The Brazil international was told in the close season he would be sold if a suitable bid was received in the transfer window.

As a result, Lucas was linked with Juventus, Sevilla and South American club Santos, and the 23-year-old has confirmed he was the subject of 'a few offers' from unnamed sources.

But Liverpool decided not to sell and the 2007 arrival from Gremio is now an integral part of manager Roy Hodgson's rebuilding process at Anfield, with reports suggesting a new contract is on the horizon.
Professional

"When they told me, I said I will try to find a club, but that I would not go just anywhere," Lucas said in the Daily Telegraph when asked about Liverpool's summer intention to sell.

"[I said] I think I can be at a good club, since Liverpool is a good club and I had been here for three years.

"But I also said I would fight for my place, I will train, that I am a professional. It was not easy, but sometimes you have to be calm.

"A few offers came, but Liverpool did not accept them. I am glad that I stayed, because I am playing well, helping the team, and I am more important now than I was a few months ago.

I will be delighted if the Lad signs a new contract his partnership with Meireles needs time to blossom ,and his performances have been one of the very rare plus points in what's been a dismal first half of the season ...............

Totally agree, Probably one of the few pluses this season, The good thing about Lucas is he is only going to improve and he seems very settled in the city, he also seems a much liked player in the dressing room (no not that way

) , after the stick he was given I am glad to hold my hands up and admit I was wrong,

Guess what? Rafa was right again

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:02 pm

roberto green wrote:
RED BEERGOGGLES wrote:Sky Sports

Brazilian pleased Hodgson decided not to sell in the summer.

Lucas Leiva is pleased he did not leave Liverpool in the summer after emerging as an important member of the first team at Anfield.

The Brazil international was told in the close season he would be sold if a suitable bid was received in the transfer window.

As a result, Lucas was linked with Juventus, Sevilla and South American club Santos, and the 23-year-old has confirmed he was the subject of 'a few offers' from unnamed sources.

But Liverpool decided not to sell and the 2007 arrival from Gremio is now an integral part of manager Roy Hodgson's rebuilding process at Anfield, with reports suggesting a new contract is on the horizon.
Professional

"When they told me, I said I will try to find a club, but that I would not go just anywhere," Lucas said in the Daily Telegraph when asked about Liverpool's summer intention to sell.

"[I said] I think I can be at a good club, since Liverpool is a good club and I had been here for three years.

"But I also said I would fight for my place, I will train, that I am a professional. It was not easy, but sometimes you have to be calm.

"A few offers came, but Liverpool did not accept them. I am glad that I stayed, because I am playing well, helping the team, and I am more important now than I was a few months ago.

I will be delighted if the Lad signs a new contract his partnership with Meireles needs time to blossom ,and his performances have been one of the very rare plus points in what's been a dismal first half of the season ...............

Totally agree, Probably one of the few pluses this season, The good thing about Lucas is he is only going to improve and he seems very settled in the city, he also seems a much liked player in the dressing room (no not that way ) , after the stick he was given I am glad to hold my hands up and admit I was wrong,

Guess what? Rafa was right again

Rafa always knew through all Lucas's naivety and impetuous tackles that there was a talented player waiting to flourish ,and I think Little Chiefs absence has given the lad the impetus to impose his stamp on our midfield ....he's certainly growing in influence

by **Ben Patrick** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:53 am

he has probably been our most consistent player this season and i am made up for him.
I have criticised him in the past so can hold my hands up as well.

by **JC_81** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 1:33 pm

Sorry lads, but I just feel that it says more about the quality we've lost in midfield over the past few years than it does about any drastic improvements in Lucas' ability that he is being lauded as a success this season.

He's not a patch on Alonso or Mascherano and that's a fact. He is however better than Poulsen. He's cut down on his mistakes but he's not a top player and unfortunately that's what you need in the engine room of a team looking to go places.

I do admire his effort though, you can't fault the lad for that. I actually quite like him, but bottom line is if we want to progress he can't be a regular starter.

by **stmichael** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:01 pm

john craig wrote:He's not a patch on Alonso or Mascherano and that's a fact. He is however better than Poulsen. He's cut down on his mistakes but he's not a top player and unfortunately that's what you need in the engine room of a team looking to go places.

I do admire his effort though, you can't fault the lad for that. I actually quite like him, but bottom line is if we want to progress he can't be a regular starter.

Tell me what "top players" United have got in the centre of their midfield? The only guy you could consider to be top class in 36 years old. The rest are average at best. I wouldn't take Carrick, Fletcher or Anderson over Lucas personally.

Going back to us, few players in the world are a patch on Mascherano and Alonso in their respective positions to be fair. Lucas is a different player to both of them anyway and personally I'm just pleased to see his development in the last 12 months. Same with Ngog. The fact that Hodgson wanted to sell him is depressing. It would have probably meant a Poulsen and Gerrard CM partnership which would have filled me with dread if I'm honest.

I just can't agree that he shouldn't be starting. If that's the case, someone better phone up the Brazilian coach and ask him what the hell he's playing at picking him regularly to start in their naional team then.

by **Waldo** » Fri Dec 24, 2010 2:20 pm

Need to get Lucas tied into a long-term deal. The lad hs come on leaps and bounds this year and will hopefully continue to improve and grow as a player. He has established himself as an automatic pick this season.

by **Fowler_E7** » Sun Dec 26, 2010 12:47 pm

john craig wrote:Sorry lads, but I just feel that it says more about the quality we've lost in midfield over the past few years than it does about any drastic improvements in Lucas' ability that he is being lauded as a success this season.

He's not a patch on Alonso or Mascherano and that's a fact. He is however better than Poulsen. He's cut down on his mistakes but he's not a top player and unfortunately that's what you need in the engine room of a team looking to go places.

I do admire his effort though, you can't fault the lad for that. I actually quite like him, but bottom line is if we want to progress he can't be a regular starter.

Agree completely, its just shows how far we have fallen when we start considering Lucas leiva as one of the first names on the team sheet. He has improved thats for sure, but he will never ever be a top player on the level of Alonso, Mascherano or Gerrard.

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