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by **tubby** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:59 pm

Emerald Red wrote:To get into the top three we need about 4 new players, f*ck off Poulsen and Konchesky and sack Roy. The latter needs to come first.

As

as they have been doing, I can't see us losing to West Ham. Looks like we will have to bear with things for a little bit longer.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:04 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:To get into the top three we need about 4 new players, f*ck off Poulsen and Konchesky and sack Roy. The latter needs to come first.

As as they have been doing, I can't see us losing to West Ham. Looks like we will have to bear with things for a little bit longer.

How much longer? I seriously don't think I can take another month of this sh*te. Are we away to West Ham?

by **tubby** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:07 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:To get into the top three we need about 4 new players, f*ck off Poulsen and Konchesky and sack Roy. The latter needs to come first.

As as they have been doing, I can't see us losing to West Ham. Looks like we will have to bear with things for a little bit longer.

How much longer? I seriously don't think I can take another month of this sh*te. Are we away to West Ham?

home

But the way things have been going it can't be long before the next slip up.

by **redtrader74** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:12 pm

However many players we need, in whatever positions, it is all irrelevant, the manager we have is not good enough to get us into the top 3, so buying players for him to manage will be a complete waste of money. It has become patently clear to me that the job is too big for him. So our first step has to be to replace Roy asap with someone who can inspire the current sqaud, I even think that Kenny until at least the end of the season may be a solution.

We have to repair the damage caused and ensure all the players we need, stay, and this will only happen by a change of manager. I actually beleive that with the way the premiership is panning out we still have a good enough sqaud to finish in the top four, and realistically if we can get a striker to partner Torres in January we can still recover this season, and build in the summer.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:14 pm

bavlondon wrote:home

I've just consulted the smiley lexicon and was surprised to find:

:glare:

= FFS we might actually win this one and have to keep the manager for another week, FOL

by **LFC2007** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:15 pm

The_Rock wrote:We have some really good players (Torres, Gerrard, Agger, Reina, Raul M & Joe Cole).....a very tactically sound manager with awesome motivational ability will be able to gel the rest of the squad with the above players and come up with a league challenging team (at the very least).

Are you off your t!ts? :laugh:

Let's get real. Management can only take a team so far, they need the right materials before they can achieve the kinds of feats you speak of. His training, tactics and motivation may well be able to improve all-round performance but a new manager won't make Lucas or Poulsen into gifted passers of the ball, and he won't make Skrtel dominant in the air, nor will he make Konchesky into a cultured left-back, or Glen Johnson into a top defender; his influence won't make Carragher or Kyrgiakos comfortable in possession, and he won't make Maxi grow six inches, or make Meireles a good presser of the ball. We have several players who just aren't good enough and we have others who are but have weakness that need to be accounted for elsewhere in the team. We need something closer to an overhaul than mere tinkering around the edges before we even think about winning titles.

by **roberto green** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:21 pm

Simple sack Hodgson and then get a top class manager in to shape the team as he likes

by **tubby** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:21 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
bavlondon wrote:home

I've just consulted the smiley lexicon and was surprised to find:

= FFS we might actually win this one and have to keep the manager for another week, FOL

by **crazyhorse** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:36 pm

Red H wrote:No-one will like this but if we want to break into the break back into the top three, the first thing we are going to require is patience.

Realistically, if we want to do it in a sustainable manner, then this is how I think we do it.

Sign player only 25 and under, no more than 2 or 3 per season (maybe less) to gointo the first team.They will all need to be world class, all "team" players, and all an improvement on what we already have. Produce 2 to 3 players though from the reserves to fil the gaps, every year, who can get into the first team squad. They either make it, or are sold on for a profit. Get a stadium that hold 60,000 to 70,000, that can pay for itself through the gate or sponsership within ten years, to provide continuity of resources, reduceing our reliance individual investment, or consistant high levels of success, or anything else that a bureaucrat can take away.

Short of that clone Gerrard, Carragher, Torres, and Reina.

I have been saying this for the last four years!

The nub of the issue. we have been buying too many players, all average when half that number fo a decent quality would have been far more sensible!

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:06 pm

The issue we are facing is far bigger than changing the manager. Yes we should change him just to unite the club and stop people making fools of themselves, but whoever comes in has an absolutely massive job on their hands. The thread is making the assumption that we are going to change the manager, but anyone who thinks it'll be all hunky dory from then on in with the players we've got is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Just to reiterate I aren't changing my tune, I think the team is good enough to challenge for the top four if well managed. The top three though, to actually challenge for the title, it's an absolute country mile away. It's a country mile away and we've still got Gerrard, Torres and Reina. This will be the last season IMHo when we have all three, and we may have none of them within three years.

by **tubby** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:13 pm

bigmick wrote:The issue we are facing is far bigger than changing the manager. Yes we should change him just to unite the club and stop people making fools of themselves, but whoever comes in has an absolutely massive job on their hands. The thread is making the assumption that we are going to change the manager, but anyone who thinks it'll be all hunky dory from then on in with the players we've got is living in cloud cuckoo land.

Just to reiterate I aren't changing my tune, I think the team is good enough to challenge for the top four if well managed. The top three though, to actually challenge for the title, it's an absolute country mile away. It's a country mile away and we've still got Gerrard, Torres and Reina. This will be the last season IMHo when we have all three, and we may have none of them within three years.

Yes whatever new manager comes in is facing a big job but I think in the long run, the fans should be optimistic. The appointment of Comolli suggests that the owners are serious about spending money on the squad such to an extent that they brought in someone specifically to do that.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:17 pm

Mick the reason we should change the manager is not to unite the club or stop people making fools of themselves or any of the other reasons you keep stating - the reason is simple - because he isn't a good enough manager for us .

by **Zidane** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:33 pm

Honestly there is too much to change, nothing we can do right now will immediately change our fortunes, it's going to be a VERY ong process. We need more youth and more proper footballers, too long have we struggled with people that can't play quick passes and be effective in tight spaces so we're constantly pressured and we simply can't handle it with this group of players we currently have. We need proper footballers who can handle the small areas well and pass quick one twos to get out of those situations and force teams to back off us and let us play football. Carra nor Skrtel should be in our first choices at CBs, Kochesky is a backup at best, and we have absolutely no one to play on our left wing effectively on a daily basis.

I would get rid of Carra, Stevie, Skrtel, Maxi, Jova, Babel, Poulson and N'gog.. probably Meireles as well, i'm not convinced on him yet but not sure if he's not good enough either so the jury is still out on him. Raul's passing is not up to the standard I was expecting to be honest and I'm just not sure he has enough quality in him but it is still early. I'd much rather have a player in the mould of an Aquilani alongside Lucas to be perfectly honest, Aqua was class but his injuries, price tag and fragility in the end was the difference it seems. We need to raise our standards BIG TIME and the simple fact is that none of these lads would get anywhere near the first team in any top club in Europe.

This is excluding Stevie obviously, but I don't think he wants to sit around for what will effectively be us rebuilding from the ground up almost and I would want a change in captaincy to bring in the new wave of players which no doubt is certainly on the horizon imo. Although it would be a hard pill to swallow I would not object to selling off our stars and starting fresh with young players with bright futures. We need to move on from Stevie and Carra, they have taken us as far as they could imo. If they want to stick around and help usher in the new bunch of players and really do what's best for the club then that's lovely, but if not they can move on. I'd love to keep Nando and Pepe but they want to win now in their primes so I would let them walk if they felt the need to do so.

The bottom line though is that we need to restructure the club and rebuild it fresh, let the players that don't want to be here for that walk and go from there. I don't think we would take long to get a quality side for us out on that pitch again if we have the right people making the decisions, we're Liverpool we can attract quality players. The squad needs a huge injection of money and a change in philosophy to be one of the top clubs in the world again. All this is going to take someone with a lot of guts to get the ball rolling and frankly Roy isn't the man to do it. I'm hoping that our owners will eventually step in and do what is right for the club.

Post looked like a big clusterfuck, fixed.

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:39 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Mick the reason we should change the manager is not to unite the club or stop people making fools of themselves or any of the other reasons you keep stating - the reason is simple - because he isn't a good enough manager for us .

I'm not getting involved in that on this thread mate if it's all the same with you. I think this manager will probably finish in a similar position to the last one did, you don't but whatever, it's not the point of the thread.

The point of the thread is assuming we have a new manager and he sits down to assess where he is. The squad is a mile away from being good enough IMHO, this applies regardless of who we get in to take over. It's a mile away today, and when Gerrard retires and Torres and/or Reina feck off, we'll be even further back.

There's a million threads where people can say what they think of Hodgson, this one is to discuss the job which a new manager will have on his hands.

by **bigmick** » Mon Nov 15, 2010 11:41 pm

Zidane wrote:I would get rid of Carra, Stevie , Skrtel, Maxi, Jova, Babel, Poulson and N'gog.. probably Meireles as well,

Not being rude or anything so I'll just say i disagree.

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