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Postby andy_g » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:15 pm

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metalhead wrote:we will see what happens in May

well, i don't know about you mate, but i'll be gathering nuts.

I'll be in canada :buttrock

Not until you pay me that $50,000 'entrance fee' we discussed.  :talktothehand

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Postby dawson99 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:16 pm

i'll  start, was it a back entrance fee?
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:19 pm

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Postby metalhead » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:22 pm

sick people on this forum :no
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Postby andy_g » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:26 pm

metalhead wrote:sick people on this forum :no

how disrespectful
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Postby dawson99 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:26 pm

yeah, id only charge 20k
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Postby metalhead » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:31 pm

andy_g wrote:
metalhead wrote:sick people on this forum :no

how disrespectful

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Postby Bad Bob » Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:50 pm

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Postby Benny The Noon » Sat Nov 13, 2010 6:18 pm

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Benny The Noon wrote:Thommo I  think you need to read what I said more clearly when I said No one is given immediate respect they all earnt it through their actions both on and off the field .

"Support is different to respect mate - name someone at Liverpool who was given instant respect ? "

I did read it. And Im still confused. Are you saying that Paisley, Fagan and Kenny didnt have respect from the supporters the instant they were announced manager??
Are you suggesting we had no respect for them until they had won 15, 20, 30 games or a trophy?
???

Yes they had the respect the instant they became managers - guess why Thommo ?

All three had already earnt the respect of the fans for the work they had already done at the club before taking on the managers job - same with souness same with evans .

Shanks earnt the respect after taking the job , same with GH and same with Rafa

Hodgson has to do the same

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So Hodgson has to earn respect the same way as Paisley, Fagan and Kenny did before they became managers?

"All three had already earnt the respect of the fans for the work they had already done at the club before taking on the managers job"

Ok I get the point. They worked for the club before they were managers.
Now tell me, how the fu'ck Hogson is going to do that?
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The same way both GH and Rafa did - by showing themselves to be part of us , by results on the pitch, by acting in a way that makes the fans feel they know what it means to be part of the club, to also be a fan of the club . Neither Rafa and GH earnt instant respect - they earnt it over a period of time .
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Postby maguskwt » Sun Nov 14, 2010 8:55 am

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supersub wrote:Maybe it appeared to simplistic...but what it was referring too, was the act of booing...it was clear that the most vocal Lucas , Kuyt and Benitez haters/abusers have in fact become defenders of Roy...it just had a certain irony to it...I myself have always been a big supporter of Lucas & Kuyt, had a huge aqdmiration for Raf and I am happy to give Roy his chance at Liverpool.....Just cruise the threads of the players to see the others besides Big Niall...

With regards to drop dead gorgeous football.....it wasn't always drop dead gorgeous in the early 80's on occassion but if the job gets done then the beauty is what lies at the end of the rainbow and not the yellow brick road....that could be the beginnings of a hit movie.!

so the picture of roy, taking his face off to show fergie is fine in your eyes?

the roy abuse has been disgraceful mate, thats what we want stopped

To be perfectly honest I have never seen it or any other avatars and name panels etc because I have the control switched off....

It does appear there are a few on here that may take the criticism a step too far but in comparison to the newkit assassination squad of the last 2 years during Benitez's reign the irony is incredible....it appears that for 40 odd years all fans have been allowed to debate and criticise liverpool players and managers with regards to the game,tactics etc but for some reason if you have a moan this season it's because you have it in for Roy.......only on newkit

Just hope Gerrard doesn't pick the team today and Mierelles is centre mid   

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Spot on SS... You are fair and objective... And therefore I respect you as a mod! :)
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Postby Thommo's perm » Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:40 am

Benny The Noon wrote:
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Benny The Noon wrote:
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Benny The Noon wrote:Thommo I  think you need to read what I said more clearly when I said No one is given immediate respect they all earnt it through their actions both on and off the field .

"Support is different to respect mate - name someone at Liverpool who was given instant respect ? "

I did read it. And Im still confused. Are you saying that Paisley, Fagan and Kenny didnt have respect from the supporters the instant they were announced manager??
Are you suggesting we had no respect for them until they had won 15, 20, 30 games or a trophy?
???

Yes they had the respect the instant they became managers - guess why Thommo ?

All three had already earnt the respect of the fans for the work they had already done at the club before taking on the managers job - same with souness same with evans .

Shanks earnt the respect after taking the job , same with GH and same with Rafa

Hodgson has to do the same

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So Hodgson has to earn respect the same way as Paisley, Fagan and Kenny did before they became managers?

"All three had already earnt the respect of the fans for the work they had already done at the club before taking on the managers job"

Ok I get the point. They worked for the club before they were managers.
Now tell me, how the fu'ck Hogson is going to do that?
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The same way both GH and Rafa did - by showing themselves to be part of us , by results on the pitch, by acting in a way that makes the fans feel they know what it means to be part of the club, to also be a fan of the club . Neither Rafa and GH earnt instant respect - they earnt it over a period of time .

But, my dear GYBS, Roy hasnt got time.
Or hadnt you noticed?
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Postby dawson99 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:01 pm

maguskwt wrote:
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dawson99 wrote:
supersub wrote:Maybe it appeared to simplistic...but what it was referring too, was the act of booing...it was clear that the most vocal Lucas , Kuyt and Benitez haters/abusers have in fact become defenders of Roy...it just had a certain irony to it...I myself have always been a big supporter of Lucas & Kuyt, had a huge aqdmiration for Raf and I am happy to give Roy his chance at Liverpool.....Just cruise the threads of the players to see the others besides Big Niall...

With regards to drop dead gorgeous football.....it wasn't always drop dead gorgeous in the early 80's on occassion but if the job gets done then the beauty is what lies at the end of the rainbow and not the yellow brick road....that could be the beginnings of a hit movie.!

so the picture of roy, taking his face off to show fergie is fine in your eyes?

the roy abuse has been disgraceful mate, thats what we want stopped

To be perfectly honest I have never seen it or any other avatars and name panels etc because I have the control switched off....

It does appear there are a few on here that may take the criticism a step too far but in comparison to the newkit assassination squad of the last 2 years during Benitez's reign the irony is incredible....it appears that for 40 odd years all fans have been allowed to debate and criticise liverpool players and managers with regards to the game,tactics etc but for some reason if you have a moan this season it's because you have it in for Roy.......only on newkit

Just hope Gerrard doesn't pick the team today and Mierelles is centre mid   

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Spot on SS... You are fair and objective... And therefore I respect you as a mod! :)

LOL..i love how you can say the abuse Roy has taken is the same as Rafa... brilliant...

Debate and critisize is fine, but too far is too far and its that simple
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Postby supersub » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:20 pm

dawson99 wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
supersub wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
supersub wrote:Maybe it appeared to simplistic...but what it was referring too, was the act of booing...it was clear that the most vocal Lucas , Kuyt and Benitez haters/abusers have in fact become defenders of Roy...it just had a certain irony to it...I myself have always been a big supporter of Lucas & Kuyt, had a huge aqdmiration for Raf and I am happy to give Roy his chance at Liverpool.....Just cruise the threads of the players to see the others besides Big Niall...

With regards to drop dead gorgeous football.....it wasn't always drop dead gorgeous in the early 80's on occassion but if the job gets done then the beauty is what lies at the end of the rainbow and not the yellow brick road....that could be the beginnings of a hit movie.!

so the picture of roy, taking his face off to show fergie is fine in your eyes?

the roy abuse has been disgraceful mate, thats what we want stopped

To be perfectly honest I have never seen it or any other avatars and name panels etc because I have the control switched off....

It does appear there are a few on here that may take the criticism a step too far but in comparison to the newkit assassination squad of the last 2 years during Benitez's reign the irony is incredible....it appears that for 40 odd years all fans have been allowed to debate and criticise liverpool players and managers with regards to the game,tactics etc but for some reason if you have a moan this season it's because you have it in for Roy.......only on newkit

Just hope Gerrard doesn't pick the team today and Mierelles is centre mid   

:D

Spot on SS... You are fair and objective... And therefore I respect you as a mod! :)

LOL..i love how you can say the abuse Roy has taken is the same as Rafa... brilliant...

Debate and critisize is fine, but too far is too far and its that simple

Problem being, when any attempt was made to remove or dilute the over the top remarks last season, the mods were innundated with the pro rafa stigma....sadly when a more laid back approach was decided upon during the close season and allow the pros and antis free reign to bitch at each other till they collapsed exhausted, hopefully tempered with a little self moderating by said groups, we get moaned at again for not coming down like a ton of bricks on every whinge...

I do feel some people are offended very easily by things only because of who the postee happens to be....

Certain members last season were persistantly persecuted for being so Pro rafa........
That stance doesn't appear to be so prevalant now for the pro roys thankfully the individual abuse amongst each other seems to be isolated some what....
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Postby dawson99 » Sun Nov 14, 2010 2:24 pm

and rightly so sub, being too pro someone and just being rude about someone are completely different. I dont care if everyone thinks Roy is useless, but it doesnt need to get to petty name calling and 'funny' pictures ridiculing him. Last season, some did call Rafa names, and they were rightly punished, or they shoulda been anyways...
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:30 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
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Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Thommo I  think you need to read what I said more clearly when I said No one is given immediate respect they all earnt it through their actions both on and off the field .

"Support is different to respect mate - name someone at Liverpool who was given instant respect ? "

I did read it. And Im still confused. Are you saying that Paisley, Fagan and Kenny didnt have respect from the supporters the instant they were announced manager??
Are you suggesting we had no respect for them until they had won 15, 20, 30 games or a trophy?
???

Yes they had the respect the instant they became managers - guess why Thommo ?

All three had already earnt the respect of the fans for the work they had already done at the club before taking on the managers job - same with souness same with evans .

Shanks earnt the respect after taking the job , same with GH and same with Rafa

Hodgson has to do the same

The wierd and wonderful world of GYBS
So Hodgson has to earn respect the same way as Paisley, Fagan and Kenny did before they became managers?

"All three had already earnt the respect of the fans for the work they had already done at the club before taking on the managers job"

Ok I get the point. They worked for the club before they were managers.
Now tell me, how the fu'ck Hogson is going to do that?
  :laugh:

The same way both GH and Rafa did - by showing themselves to be part of us , by results on the pitch, by acting in a way that makes the fans feel they know what it means to be part of the club, to also be a fan of the club . Neither Rafa and GH earnt instant respect - they earnt it over a period of time .

But, my dear GYBS, Roy hasnt got time.
Or hadnt you noticed?
:laugh:

Has been at the club for nearly 5 months now and has hardly taken a step forward in fact we have gone backwards - in those 5 months - better results , better tactics and better setup and better soundbites in press might well have made the fans feel a bit more connected to him - buddying up to ferguson was a big mistake , not defending Torres against Ferguson was wrong and finally slating the fans
Benny The Noon
 

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