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by **maguskwt** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:22 am

metalhead wrote:
maguskwt wrote:
stmichael wrote:“His introduction secured the point at least because he was very good when he came on,” Hodgson said. “He didn’t miss a pass and won several challenges.

“That’s what he was on there to do and he will get better. Without his introduction, with a very tired Maxi Rodriguez and Dirk Kuyt, who knows we could even have lost the game.

you would have thought it was against the mancs, arsenal or chelsea...

Jeez, stop twisting words, we would have lost the game if we couldn't control our passes and keep possession, it was all there to see. I didn't agree with the Poulsen substitution, but Roy offers a reasonable explanation of the sub, by controlling the midfield, thats a valid explanation, so whats wrong? its because its Roy huh?

no one is twisting the words mate... it's there for all to see...

I'm talking about the attitude...

If, with the squad of internationals we cannot play an offensive game against Wigan then Roy is doing something wrong. Why couldn't he inspire the team to press higher up, why couldn't he command the team to pressure them? why did we play 80 minutes with 10 man behind the ball? No excuses the buck stops with Roy... there is something wrong with coaching and/or inspiring the team. What is the half time there for?

And before anyone says otherwise... it's not only about the loss either... it's about how we played, the tactics. We have time and time again backed off and let the other team play and we have either lost the game or drawn...

by **tubby** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:26 am

Secured the point, happy with a point, a hard fought point. Sounds like the sort of thing a manager of a bottom half of the table club would be saying after each game. Wheres the fight in wanting to get 3 points? FFS We just beat Chelsea a few days before. It's almost as if he is lowering everyones expectations so if he did actually win the game he can reap more praise.

by **metalhead** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:32 am

Look, many on here don't like his footballing philosophy, me included. However, Roy won't change it, he won't inspire his team to play further up the pitch, but if he keeps winning with that setup and lets say get the F.A cup by the end of the season, will people still complain?

by **maguskwt** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:37 am

metalhead wrote:Look, many on here don't like his footballing philosophy, me included. However, Roy won't change it, he won't inspire his team to play further up the pitch, but if he keeps winning with that setup and lets say get the F.A cup by the end of the season, will people still complain?

Mate... but with that set up, whenever in games we back off we keep losing or drawing games!

This team needs to be challenging for the CL spot! A cup is a bonus but with Roy's tactics it doesn't look like we will be challenging for the CL spot...

After wins agains Blackburn, Bolton and Chelsea, the fixture list looks like a freeway to collect as many points as possible. It's like Super Mario going down a bonus pipe with a room full of coins to collect!

So Roy needs to change that attitude... that's all I'm saying...

With that attitude, it doesn't inspire the players to win either... the winning mentality is compromised here...

by **metalhead** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:40 am

maguskwt wrote:
metalhead wrote:Look, many on here don't like his footballing philosophy, me included. However, Roy won't change it, he won't inspire his team to play further up the pitch, but if he keeps winning with that setup and lets say get the F.A cup by the end of the season, will people still complain?

Mate... but with that set up, whenever in games we back off we keep losing or drawing games!

This team needs to be challenging for the CL spot! A cup is a bonus but with Roy's tactics it doesn't look like we will be challenging for the CL spot...

After wins agains Blackburn, Bolton and Chelsea, the fixture list looks like a freeway to collect as many points as possible. It's like Super Mario going down a bonus pipe with a room full of coins to collect!

So Roy needs to change that attitude... that's all I'm saying...

with that setup we beat

Blackburn 2-1
Bolton 1-0
Chelsea 2-0

in a trot, lets hope Wigan is a one off and we get a win against stoke

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:42 am

I see Roys post match interview on Match of the Day and he didnt look or sound happy. He acknowledged we could have lost but also showed his disappointment after we went ahead.

Secured the point, happy with a point, a hard fought point. Sounds like the sort of thing a manager of a bottom half of the table club would be saying after each game. Wheres the fight in wanting to get 3 points?

Lets be honest here, its not just this season we have had this kind of attitude from a manager. If Roy is to be picked up on this attitude, why is it so many people wish for Rafa to return when his attitude was not only the same, but worse, as at Anfield we stunk.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:43 am

metalhead wrote:with that setup we beat

Blackburn 2-1
Bolton 1-0
Chelsea 2-0

in a trot, lets hope Wigan is a one off and we get a win against stoke

key point you missed... not by backing off for 80 mins...

That's the main problem here... I'm not even talking about formation or man marking or anything here...

I won't be complaining this much if we played like we played against blackburn and lost...

by **metalhead** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:50 am

we backed off against Chelsea, but ended up winning. We've done it with Rafa in the champions league when defending a lead and won.

by **maguskwt** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:17 am

metalhead wrote:we backed off against Chelsea, but ended up winning. We've done it with Rafa in the champions league when defending a lead and won.

You wanna compare one game against how many games mate? Nothing to do with Rafa i'm afraid, we're talking about Roy here...

by **Emerald Red** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:34 am

His away record speaks for itself. It's bollox and just purely on the basis of that statistic, he should never get a job at a top tier club. Ever.

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:37 am

maguskwt wrote:
metalhead wrote:we backed off against Chelsea, but ended up winning. We've done it with Rafa in the champions league when defending a lead and won.

You wanna compare one game against how many games mate? Nothing to do with Rafa i'm afraid, we're talking about Roy here...

Bingo ! There it is . Rafa had many chances to get it right, Roy hasnt.

And yes it is everything to do with rafa as the reason why Roy has been the subject of division amongst the fans. The squad that was left, the confidence levels, the attitudes. I find it amazing how Roy can absolutely do no right, he doesnt have the right attitude. And yet Rafa did.

Playing players out of position, Meireles shouldnt play on the right of midfield, no, nor should Crouch on the left.

Its a disgrace how we lost to Blackpool, yes, another premiership team, but hell lets sweep the bottom of division 1 club Reading (over 2 legs) under the carpet.

Happy with a point away to wigan, and yet a beaming smile on rafas face as we drew at home to Birmingham is fine (and lets look at the hassle roy got when we drew at their ground !)

Also, Roy wont resign, HOW DARE HE ! and yet Rafa walks away into a cushy job with a nice £6 million in his bank to do so, but hell, shame on Roy !

Also the "nobody signs a new contract until I do" attitude. Again, thats fine, but its Roy who is clueless.

The biggest one on this forum, the one I have noticed the most, "Rafa is gone, move on" as they then go into the Rafa Benitez thread praying he comes back to the club.

The whole reason the arguments, the disagreements, and the general dislike for Roy is present in every forum is because of Rafa.

Roy replaced him, and for that, he will never be forgiven.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 4:47 am

thats a very good post Kharhaz. makes sense, especially this bit

The biggest one on this forum, the one I have noticed the most, "Rafa is gone, move on" as they then go into the Rafa Benitez thread praying he comes back to the club.

by **mart** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:39 am

Kharhaz wrote:The whole reason the arguments, the disagreements, and the general dislike for Roy is present in every forum is because of Rafa.

Roy replaced him, and for that, he will never be forgiven.

Lol. If you guys are that deluded its no wonder this forum sucks.

by **boodiddy1** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:47 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:thats a very good post Kharhaz. makes sense, especially this bit

The biggest one on this forum, the one I have noticed the most, "Rafa is gone, move on" as they then go into the Rafa Benitez thread praying he comes back to the club.

Thats bang on! He'll never get respect he deserves. Time will not be given to roy by some on here and in the ground.

by **andy_g** » Sat Nov 13, 2010 10:08 am

supersub wrote:You want to tell some of the devout Lucas and Kuyt haters that have become such Roy Hodgson stalwarts for no other reason than they hated Rafa Benitez......

i think this statement is completely and utterly wrong, and its an ingrained belief that is causing a lot of stress on the forum. its overly simplistic and provocative to say that people defend hodgson because they hated benitez. the only person i've seen coming out with genuine hatred towards benitez is big niall, i think - most other people whated him out for footballing reasons which have been explained to death.

the reason that many defend hodgson - myself included - isn't because of any feelings about benitez, but because the guy needs to be given a chance. we know that he's probably not long term manager material, we know he's not an up and at 'em type, and we know he can be a bit tetchy with the media (even though they apparently love him). what i'm seeing is so many people who are so angry about his appointment that they'll go to any lengths to find ways to discredit him - and i don't think that's fair. he's got us on an unbeaten run and we just beat chelsea. we aren't playing drop dead gorgeous football but that's not exactly anything new.

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