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[aCe']

Isn't it time the hypocrisy stopped and we offer Hodgson the same support that Benitez was offered?

Benitez got respect for the trophys he had won, the only accolade Hodgson harps on about is his LMA award, the same award that David Moyes has won 3 times.
Do you know why Hodgson got this award?
1. Part of the Fergie Wine Club.
2. Friends with the British media.
3. Got Fulham to the cup final that they lost in.

Wow big fucking deal, and you know what I am sick of pondering to the likes of you when you and others accuse me of lying about being sick and going on holiday because we beat Bolton & Blackburn.

Before you or anyone else harps on about respect how about starting with respecting your fellow fans I have made it clear since day one I didnt want Roy here and I still feel the same its my opinion and I am entitled to it.
But everytime I say it I get insulted and told to feck off and support someone else from people who are not even from Liverpool and some have never even attended a Liverpool match but have all to say

Dont insult my inteligence I am not fuckin stupid when I know something is wrong I will say it, and Roy Hodgson is the wrong man for the Liverpool job.
Me and others have spent the past three years campaigning getting rid of twit & tw@t whilst most of you sat around on your @rses and blaming everything on Rafa Benitez he was the devil incarnate to some on here and them gobsh!tes that ring Talksport.  We knew they where wrong for the club we know everything about our club, we protect it and look after it but I wont pander to this fraud of a manager we have incharge and I dont give two shits who I vex or please.

What has happened that all of a sudden we have to give Roy a chance when Rafa was lambasted for the same results and poor displays from his first season in charge to his last?
Was it because he was this nasty forigner ruining the beautiful British game of not buying young British talent? Was it the zonal marking? was it the rotation?
What was it? Why did he deserve it but Roy doesnt?

Whats so special about Hodgson? he has spent less time managing in England than any for foriegn, British or none British manager.  What exactly has his 35 years in management actually won him? Nothing of importance.

Where Chelsea, Man city, Spurs, Villa, knocking down Al fayeds door for him to manage them clubs?
The answer is NO !!!
Why is/was the answer No? Because he is not good enough.

When Fergie retires and Wenger goes on to pastures new will them clubs want Hodgson to carry on where their predecessors left off will they shite !!!!

Why not? Because he is simply not good enough.
He will never win us the premier league even if he recieved a Man City size transfer kitty, he will never win us the CL because his tactics and methods are so outdated he hasnt moved on with the times.

Apart from buying an ipad that the camera panned onto in the Napoli game heres a shot of it and this was at home but he's not a defensive manager according to some.



He believes in his methods but they have won him nothing of note, he believes his own hype and gets a cob on when people question him as to why we where playing so shite he turns round and blames Rafa or his B team.

He has never remained at a club for longer than two years, not because he's been the most wanted man in Europe like Mourhino never stays in any place for very long, no because he was replaced because he wasnt up to the job.

People can twist and turn this anyway they choose but what must be remembered at the end of the day is liverpool exsists to win trophys and be the best around.
We dont want a manager telling us he doesnt give a monkeys if we are 17th or 18th, we dont want a manager who plays for a draw against Wigan.
We want to see exciting attacking football and goals galor not 10 men behind the ball ale house, yard dog Sam Allardyce football management and Roy is of the same Ilk.

Everyones crowing about the Chelsea win and I was over the moon myself but he had the odd scalp with Fulham against Liverpool and Man United, his away record scares the life out of me out of 72 points he's taken 12 and lost 60 this really concerns me a great deal its a dreadfull record and people should be as concerned as I am about it, but aparently not give him a chance get off his case are the replies.

I think Ive said enough about it now, I am sick and tired of moaning about him and I hope that John Henry and NESV bring in a new manager to take our club forward asap.

Dont bother posting about Rafa's record last season ive heard it enough, I know all about it finishing 7th was dreadfull, the draws where awfull and getting beat was even worse so dont bother telling me something I already know about thanx.

biggest load of rubbish i've seen in a while...
Next time someone pulls a BigMick , please make it worth the time spent reading it ...

[Benny The Noon]

A Track record of 35 years is a mighty long time in any profession. It demonstrates the level and ability to which you can perform or get others to perform.

It is very difficult to back someone who has not been able to consistently demonstrate that he is capable of winning big things.

Some might argue that he was never given the chance. Well, it's been rightly pointed out already - if he was considered to be a world-class manager, why hadn't other top clubs already approached him? Maybe his season at Inter had something to do with their view on his ability?

It is difficult to afford him any respect in footballing terms if he hasn't demonstrated the ability in 35 years of managing. It would be very difficult to sit and wait for a few more years while he tries to get it right, when he hasn't demonstrated in 35 years that he can actually get it right at a top club.

As an individual, I honestly did like Roy based on his handling of the media. He came across as someone with integrity. Had he continued to deal with the press in that same manner during the last few months, I might have been willing to perservere with him. But his odd-ball comments on Torres, the fans and self-proclaimed extensive footballing knowledge -which no top club really seems to care about, sort of pushed me to indifference initially, and then dislike.

With every match, the focus is on the players to begin with. Some games we win with individual excellence. Most games we have witnessed indicate that the team as unit is just not functioning game after game. Eyes tend to wander and the very next thing that comes to mind is the individual that manages the team. Questions are asked, and sometimes with passion. Not everyone can express passion eloquently on the internet without offending others reading the same material.

Inevitable comparisons are made with the former manager's achievements, when for some of us, it is just not possible to see light at the end of the tunnel. This can be construed as a negative outlook that doesn't show respect for the current manager.

I am contradicting myself now but - it isn't about respect, but simply a desire for the manager to move on as some of us perhaps don't have the same level of patience as others.

Roy is not a bad person. He just does not fill me with any hope or enthusiasm when looking forward to the next game.

Spot on

[Reg]

Well, it's been rightly pointed out already - if he was considered to be a world-class manager, why hadn't other top clubs already approached him? Maybe his season at Inter had something to do with their view on his ability?

Lads, we're trying to make wine out of water here.

We know he was a compromise choice,
We know he was brought in as a temporary bridge, awaiting new owners,
We know he does not have the ideal profile/qualifications for a Liverpool manager and
We know he is 63 years old, with a 69 year old goalkeeper coach mate.

Water is water, wine is wine.

Once NESV have formulated their business plan properly and costed the necessary changes they will take action.

Theres no point or need for folks to rant one way or the other - we know the SP.  Until then its just hot air.

In 12 months time we'll wonder what all the fuss was about.

[JamCar05]

If he wants respect he should stop coming out with garbage like this. Does he think we fans are stupid or something?

for christ's sake  . only a couple of weeks ago he was getting dog's abuse for not appearing to be behind his players enough. this is turning into a fúcking witch hunt.

This one had me wondering as well. Is he now getting abuse for defending one of our own players - a new signing who by his own (and Roy's) admission hasn't performed as of yet (if you actually read the text Poulsen himself has been "devastated" knowing he hasn't performed up to standards) . I'm really not into this entire Roy debate at all (in fact I think it's rapidly ruining the forum) but ffs do people expect him to slaughter Poulsen publicly because he hasn't performed so far and many fans are now making him the scapegoat? That'll surely help .

[supersub]

biggest load of rubbish i've seen in a while...
Next time someone pulls a BigMick , please make it worth the time spent reading it ...

I agree, if bigmick wants to be pulled off, leave it to aCe and Big Niall...they're are doing a fine job between them ! 

[Benny The Noon]

[stmichael]

If he wants respect he should stop coming out with garbage like this. Does he think we fans are stupid or something?

for christ's sake  . only a couple of weeks ago he was getting dog's abuse for not appearing to be behind his players enough. this is turning into a fúcking witch hunt.

This one had me wondering as well. Is he now getting abuse for defending one of our own players - a new signing who by his own (and Roy's) admission hasn't performed as of yet (if you actually read the text Poulsen himself has been "devastated" knowing he hasn't performed up to standards) . I'm really not into this entire Roy debate at all (in fact I think it's rapidly ruining the forum) but ffs do people expect him to slaughter Poulsen publicly because he hasn't performed so far and many fans are now making him the scapegoat? That'll surely help .

I'm sorry. I didn't make it clear. I meant to highlight the bit where he said that Poulsen came on and helped us "get a point". I mean if he's settling for a point away at Wigan when we've got Ngog and Jovanovic on the bench then the mind boggles as to how far our standards have dropped.

Infact I'm starting to wonder what Jovanovic has done to now be behind the likes of Shelvey and Ecclestone in the pecking order. Ok he's hardly set the world on fire but it's a strange one.

[jacdaniel]

I'm sorry. I didn't make it clear. I meant to highlight the bit where he said that Poulsen came on and helped us "get a point". I mean if he's settling for a point away at Wigan when we've got Ngog and Jovanovic on the bench then the mind boggles as to how far our standards have dropped.

Infact I'm starting to wonder what Jovanovic has done to now be behind the likes of Shelvey and Ecclestone in the pecking order. Ok he's hardly set the world on fire but it's a strange one.

One of our young players said that Roy prefers the English players.

I obviously don't know if there is any truth in that... but it does seem like Jovan, Pacheco and even Babel have been alienated since that Northampton game. 

It also seems like its the foreign players that are unhappy this year.  Kuyt was considering going to Inter, Reina apparently is considering his future, Agger criticised the tactics and even Pacheco and Jovan were considering their futures at the club.

[JamCar05]

I'm sorry. I didn't make it clear. I meant to highlight the bit where he said that Poulsen came on and helped us "get a point". I mean if he's settling for a point away at Wigan when we've got Ngog and Jovanovic on the bench then the mind boggles as to how far our standards have dropped.

Fair enough mate, couldn't quite get my head around your comment as it were but this makes more sense re your quote of that particular story.

[redhayesy]

I have respect for every manager of Liverpool past and present including the much critised Graeme Souness but that should not mean you cannot be critical of team selections,tactics , transfer policy etc or even comments made to the media.....what would be the point of a pint before and after the game if we were accused of no respect because we discuss the manager with hearty debate.....

I'm sure if the internet existed 50 years ago all our managers from Shanks onwards would have received their fair share of forum complaints but all still earned that respect.......

Gerard Houllier is still well respected by the fans that felt he had reached the summit of his achievements at Liverpool. I would be surprised if anyone on this forum shows any bitterness/hatred towards GH but would disagree with a passion with some comments he has made since he left. 
Rafa Benitez is the only previous manager that earned respect (not straight away, I must add) but is shown such disgusting disrespect from a a small minority since his departure and was the receipient of terrible internet abuse in the final season of his LFC career....some are still pretty vocal on this forum.
Roy Hodgson will earn his respect by the manner in which he conducts himself during his Liverpool managerial career. He is afforded respect as a football manager but whether he can adapt to the high expectations that come with the job at our club only time will tell. These expectations are not just within LFC but the media also, who still refer to us as one of the 4 (when it suits) .

I can understand why some people felt RB had served his time and why others feel RH is not the man to take us forward, but I feel the issue of respect needs to be addressed by a few on newkit.....

brilliant post mate,i couldn't agree more! before the days of the internet -you had genuine banter from fans in the pub before & after the game,sharing views,opinions etc the likes of myself really enjoyed listening to. exchanging storys & experiences from other fans with genuine knowledge who were well worth listening to about past & present managers.

the likes of souness, in his reign as manager was painfull to talk about in the pub sometimes before a game,cause his tactics were always an issue for alot of fans especially away from home,but he got respect from fans & was given more time than he probably deserved.- why? well for me his biggest mistake tactically was to get rid of the 'the boot room' so soon in his reign as manager. he wanted to change to many things too quickly & as a result the team suffered big time for me.

but it didn't stop me going to the games,cause i went to support the team & gave the manager my support also. (it's been said before) but just to remind some-that even the likes of souness & roy evans who was also critised for his tactics at times,never got booed end of! if anyone ever booed the team or manager they were told in no un-certain terms what they could do.-go an support someone else, i was educated on the kop,that you stick together through thick & thin.

the game may have changed,yes i hear that,but for me the internet has produced un-educated LFC fans in what respect & support is all about. opinions are one thing- but lack of education & knowledge about our history in how we have stuck by & given other managers in our history is another.

[Thommo's perm]

BTW the crowd wernt booing Poulson they where booing the decision of the manager who made it clear he was playing for a draw instead of bringing on an attacking option.

Anyone who boos a player or manager of LFC is not a fan and needs a Fu*king punch in the mouth
Anyone who condones booing is not a supporter of LFC
Its that simple

[supersub]

Anyone who boos a player or manager of LFC is not a fan and needs a Fu*king punch in the mouth
Anyone who condones booing is not a supporter of LFC
Its that simple

You want to tell some of the devout Lucas and Kuyt haters that have become such Roy Hodgson stalwarts for no other reason than they hated Rafa Benitez......

I don't boo even the likes of Diouf ...you would think I was a s@int for having such regard for players and managers old and new......

[maguskwt]

“His introduction secured the point at least because he was very good when he came on,” Hodgson said. “He didn’t miss a pass and won several challenges.

“That’s what he was on there to do and he will get better. Without his introduction, with a very tired Maxi Rodriguez and Dirk Kuyt, who knows we could even have lost the game.

you would have thought it was against the mancs, arsenal or chelsea...

[metalhead]

“His introduction secured the point at least because he was very good when he came on,” Hodgson said. “He didn’t miss a pass and won several challenges.

“That’s what he was on there to do and he will get better. Without his introduction, with a very tired Maxi Rodriguez and Dirk Kuyt, who knows we could even have lost the game.

you would have thought it was against the mancs, arsenal or chelsea...

Jeez, stop twisting words, we would have lost the game if we couldn't control our passes and keep possession, it was all there to see. I didn't agree with the Poulsen substitution, but Roy offers a reasonable explanation of the sub, by controlling the midfield, thats a valid explanation, so whats wrong? its because its Roy huh?

[metalhead]

I have respect for every manager of Liverpool past and present including the much critised Graeme Souness but that should not mean you cannot be critical of team selections,tactics , transfer policy etc or even comments made to the media.....what would be the point of a pint before and after the game if we were accused of no respect because we discuss the manager with hearty debate.....

I'm sure if the internet existed 50 years ago all our managers from Shanks onwards would have received their fair share of forum complaints but all still earned that respect.......

Gerard Houllier is still well respected by the fans that felt he had reached the summit of his achievements at Liverpool. I would be surprised if anyone on this forum shows any bitterness/hatred towards GH but would disagree with a passion with some comments he has made since he left. 
Rafa Benitez is the only previous manager that earned respect (not straight away, I must add) but is shown such disgusting disrespect from a a small minority since his departure and was the receipient of terrible internet abuse in the final season of his LFC career....some are still pretty vocal on this forum.
Roy Hodgson will earn his respect by the manner in which he conducts himself during his Liverpool managerial career. He is afforded respect as a football manager but whether he can adapt to the high expectations that come with the job at our club only time will tell. These expectations are not just within LFC but the media also, who still refer to us as one of the 4 (when it suits) .

I can understand why some people felt RB had served his time and why others feel RH is not the man to take us forward, but I feel the issue of respect needs to be addressed by a few on newkit.....

brilliant post mate,i couldn't agree more! before the days of the internet -you had genuine banter from fans in the pub before & after the game,sharing views,opinions etc the likes of myself really enjoyed listening to. exchanging storys & experiences from other fans with genuine knowledge who were well worth listening to about past & present managers.

the likes of souness, in his reign as manager was painfull to talk about in the pub sometimes before a game,cause his tactics were always an issue for alot of fans especially away from home,but he got respect from fans & was given more time than he probably deserved.- why? well for me his biggest mistake tactically was to get rid of the 'the boot room' so soon in his reign as manager. he wanted to change to many things too quickly & as a result the team suffered big time for me.

but it didn't stop me going to the games,cause i went to support the team & gave the manager my support also. (it's been said before) but just to remind some-that even the likes of souness & roy evans who was also critised for his tactics at times,never got booed end of! if anyone ever booed the team or manager they were told in no un-certain terms what they could do.-go an support someone else, i was educated on the kop,that you stick together through thick & thin.

the game may have changed,yes i hear that,but for me the internet has produced un-educated LFC fans in what respect & support is all about. opinions are one thing- but lack of education & knowledge about our history in how we have stuck by & given other managers in our history is another.

''fecking internet.. a bloody disgrace''