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by **Thommo's perm** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:11 pm

dundreamin wrote:DALGLISH end of

by **Madmax** » Thu Oct 14, 2010 11:11 pm

Tell you whats strange is what happened at RAWK yesterday.. Almost a forum meltdown, many members posting location info on certain individuals with slogans of death threats..

Rawk is one busy forum hard to keep up with.

by **JBG** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:22 pm

Again, my view is that Roy is not the man to take us forward.

He was brought in a transitional manager to keep the side on an even keel until such time as new owners come in.

The results under him speak for themselves. We are in the bottom three. The new owners will likely give him more time given given that they need to take stock and formulate a plan of what they want to do with the team and the management structure. Its also likely that they wont have much knowledge of football and they'll need to take advice as to a new a managrial appointment.

Many fans were unhappy with the current board's footballing decisions over the summer and its unlikely NESV will use the current board to make the next managerial decision. They'll probably appoint a football man from this side of the water to make that decision. I doubt that man will be Daglish although I suspect Daglish may have input into the process.

All of this will take some time so Roy probably has another dozen games or so at least to hang onto his job.

Barring a miraculous about turn in form I dont see Roy here in the summer. The next managerial appointment is going to be huge.

Their appointment of Theo Epstein as general manager of the Red Sox is well documented so they may make a bold stroke with Liverpool and appoint someone entirely out of left field. However it appears that management structures in baseball is fundamentally different to that of football. I have a very limited understanding of baseball but I think field managers in baseball are more akin to our football managers/coaches, rather than the general manager, who is a form of director of football, who does the hiring and firing of players and it is the field manager who then coaches and picks the team etc. The Sox's field manager is Terry Franconia: a man nearly 60.

In England the tradition is that, by and large, the manager both coaches the team and does the hiring and firing of players. NESV must decide whether they wish to follow this traditional approach and appoint a replacement for Roy or whether they want to break with tradition and follow the baseball management structure, which has some similarities to the continental system.

On the one hand, its clear that the British model isnt ideal, particularly in the modern game and while Rafa did quite a good job coaching the team, it is commonly accepted that his transfer dealings were poor and ultimately led to him being sacked. However, on the other hand the continental system largely takes the decision of player recruitment away from the manager and this often results in unwanted players being pushed onto the manager, such as Ibrahimovic being forced on Pepe Guardiolla last year.

It'll be interesting what NESV do. It is clear however that probably the single greatest reason we have not won the league for 20 years is that we have spent our money poorly: be it Diouff, Diao, Cheyrou, Collymore, Morientes, Aqaulani, Keane, Ziege, Leonhardson, Babb, Dicks, Stewart etc all of our managers since Daglish have made more than their fair share of poor buys.

On the playing side, that is probably the biggest thing that NESV need to address in the long term.

by **metalhead** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 1:43 pm

Guus wouldn't be a bad shout now

by **Dundalk** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:16 pm

Is he available?

by **lakes10** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:22 pm

JBG ok Roy might not be the man to win us the prem, BUT Rafa was the man that started to hold us back by messing with the youth team and set up and filling it with a oad of :censored:

that Roys has to sort out, and i think Roy is the man to do that.

he is a fire fighter and thats what we need right now

by **Ciggy** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:00 pm

lakes10 wrote:JBG ok Roy might not be the man to win us the prem, BUT Rafa was the man that started to hold us back by messing with the youth team and set up and filling it with a oad of that Roys has to sort out, and i think Roy is the man to do that.

he is a fire fighter and thats what we need right now

Lakes hes not get over it, hopefully now we have new owners he departs like twit & tw@t.

Id like Lowe fantastic manager young hungry and his teams are great to watch, the problem is not many german footballers want to leave Germany and why should they?

by **lakes10** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:13 pm

Ciggy wrote:
lakes10 wrote:JBG ok Roy might not be the man to win us the prem, BUT Rafa was the man that started to hold us back by messing with the youth team and set up and filling it with a oad of that Roys has to sort out, and i think Roy is the man to do that.

he is a fire fighter and thats what we need right now

Lakes hes not get over it, hopefully now we have new owners he departs like twit & tw@t.

Id like Lowe fantastic manager young hungry and his teams are great to watch, the problem is not many german footballers want to leave Germany and why should they?

ciggy you talk a if when we get a new manager they must buy players from where they are from.

sorry but in my view that is killing the game, the lack if young british kids is down to the likes of Rafa.

a local kids was spoted a few weeks ago at a school near me, dagenham and redbridge spoted him, the kids dad turned and said to the guy " no sorry we are holding out for a big prem team, he going to see two in a few weeks" the guy from D&G said " you will never get looked at as he is english"

sory but thats wrong.

by **Ciggy** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:18 pm

lakes10 wrote:ciggy you talk a if when we get a new manager they must buy players from where they are from.

sorry but in my view that is killing the game, the lack if young british kids is down to the likes of Rafa.

a local kids was spoted a few weeks ago at a school near me, dagenham and redbridge spoted him, the kids dad turned and said to the guy " no sorry we are holding out for a big prem team, he going to see two in a few weeks" the guy from D&G said " you will never get looked at as he is english"

sory but thats wrong.

Not atall when you get a manager from a certain country they do tend to bring players in from said country, Houllier French, Rafa spanish, it is something that they do.

Cant believe Roy turned Van Der Vaart down :down:

by **lakes10** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:22 pm

Ciggy wrote:
lakes10 wrote:ciggy you talk a if when we get a new manager they must buy players from where they are from.

sorry but in my view that is killing the game, the lack if young british kids is down to the likes of Rafa.

a local kids was spoted a few weeks ago at a school near me, dagenham and redbridge spoted him, the kids dad turned and said to the guy " no sorry we are holding out for a big prem team, he going to see two in a few weeks" the guy from D&G said " you will never get looked at as he is english"

sory but thats wrong.

Not atall when you get a manager from a certain country they do tend to bring players in from said country, Houllier French, Rafa spanish, it is something that they do.

Cant believe Roy turned Van Der Vaart down

yer and thats my point, i think its wrong to do that, yes its great to see big overseas players at our club....but even better if they were born 5 mins down the road from the ground.

yes yes i know i am living in the past.

by **Dundalk** » Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:23 pm

by **alwayslfc** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:12 pm

I knew our Liverpool would be defeated by Everton. I agree with removing Rafa but only if we can find someone better than him and I knew all along Roy is not the man and the results and position so far verify my point. I believe Roy will not be able to make the turn around. If this kind of slide continues till Christmas, Roy should do the honourable thing and resign. The directors and new owners should be scouting for a more capable manager before we slide even further down.

by **JBG** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:16 pm

alwayslfc wrote:I knew our Liverpool would be defeated by Everton. I agree with removing Rafa but only if we can find someone better than him and I knew all along Roy is not the man and the results and position so far verify my point. I believe Roy will not be able to make the turn around. If this kind of slide continues till Christmas, Roy should do the honourable thing and resign. The directors and new owners should be scouting for a more capable manager before we slide even further down.

Actually it would be very hard to slide any further down than where we are now.

Appoint Daglish as caretaker until we can secure a new man.

by **bunglemark2** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:24 pm

JBG wrote:
alwayslfc wrote:I knew our Liverpool would be defeated by Everton. I agree with removing Rafa but only if we can find someone better than him and I knew all along Roy is not the man and the results and position so far verify my point. I believe Roy will not be able to make the turn around. If this kind of slide continues till Christmas, Roy should do the honourable thing and resign. The directors and new owners should be scouting for a more capable manager before we slide even further down.

Actually it would be very hard to slide any further down than where we are now.

Appoint Daglish as caretaker until we can secure a new man.

Amen to that.
Kenny at the helm. Rushie to bounce ideas off.
Oh, and Sammy Lee gone to pie eating land, or wherever he comes from....

by **Kukilon** » Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:24 pm

Why should we bring in young english lads if they are not good enough? We have plenty of good youth talent but it's not easy to bring them in but they should deffinately play when we are up two goals. Not that that ever happens today.

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