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by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:58 pm

Lee J wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
stmichael wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:What exactly is the improvement on the pitch then ?

what improvements were you expecting considering we were forced to sell our best midfielder, our best striker is half fit at best and probably our best creative player along with gerrard has unluckily missed our last three games with suspension. this is not to mention the fact that we're playing a centre half at left back and have now lost a key player (kuyt) for a month?

listen it's hardly been awe inspring stiff but we've had nowhere near what i'd consider our best eleven on the pitch so far. i'm not pro or anti hodgson. we battled well yesterday but were devoid of quality. that's where we are unfortunatley.

St Mick we were told on numerous occasions by the Hodgson fans that he would be a breath of fresh air at the club - we would no longer be getting these inept performances , we would not set up negatively against smaller clubs , we would attack , the players would play with a smile on there face , the man management from Hodgson would improve the morale and the way we play - when does it start then ? not seen anything that people were suggesting yet .

FOUR WEEKS INTO A SEASON YOU PR!CK

Hold on a minute -
1. Less of the insults

2. The way people were talking Hodgson was going to have an immediate effect - why is he getting them playing the same way - its him setting the tactics up - where is the smile on the players faces , where is this grasp of the prem , where is this fantastic man management ,

Nothing has changed - in fact we have got worse on the field .

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:58 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Igor Zidane wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Hes not a lunatic

Your wierd!

So is Rafa

Maybe you are Rafa.

Maybe
I am qwalitee
:;):

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:59 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:We wait for as long as it takes
Thats what true fans do.
Not moan and bitch like arl women who are made up to see a manager not getting the best out of players, most of whom he has inherited from a deluded man who lost the plot.
"Wasted 9 million"? Thats one of the silliest and ignorant things I have seen. How much did Benitez waste?
I must say Im getting peeved now at these pathetic digs at a man whos doing his best on OUR behalf. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but seriously, dont you ever get bored with whingeing? Benitez, thankfully has gone. Hes not (hopefully) coming back. Get over it. Frustrated and angry as you are for what you see as an injustice, its done. It cant be undone. This constant wailing and gnashing of teeth does you no good whatsoever.
Youre unhappy. We get it. But give it a rest please. Theres a good gentleman.

Why didnt you wait for as long as it takes with previous manager ? Why do we now have to wait for as long as it takes with this manager ?

The previous manager was doing his best for us yet didnt stop you having the digs ?

Yes we wasted 9 million - money that could of gone towards improving the squad .

Can you not answer then ?

Seriously. Do you carry on like this around the house? Does your family not ever say "stop Fu*king moaning like an arl quilt"?
The last manager had more than enough time and money to win the league but didnt. His best wasnt good enough. We have to give the new manager time because its in OUR best interests to do so.
What is it that you really want?

[/quote]
So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes ?[/quote]
Answer the questions

by **Ciggy** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:00 pm

Lee J wrote:FOUR WEEKS INTO A SEASON YOU PR!CK

Charming

Convince us doubters that our 63 year old manager has been this breath of fresh air? goes for the jugular against teams we should be beating and is not defensive, has been a revelation since his arrival, and the players look happy with a spring in their step.

We where told all of this we are still waiting for it to happen.

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:01 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:Seriously. Do you carry on like this around the house? Does your family not ever say "stop Fu*king moaning like an arl quilt"?
The last manager had more than enough time and money to win the league but didnt. His best wasnt good enough. We have to give the new manager time because its in OUR best interests to do so.
What is it that you really want?

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes ?[/quote]
Answer the questions[/quote]
I will answer any football question posed to me once you have answered mine .

You say Hodgson should be given as long as it takes

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes - esp when his track record is superior to current manager .

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:02 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Seriously. Do you carry on like this around the house? Does your family not ever say "stop Fu*king moaning like an arl quilt"?
The last manager had more than enough time and money to win the league but didnt. His best wasnt good enough. We have to give the new manager time because its in OUR best interests to do so.
What is it that you really want?

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes ?

Answer the questions[/quote]
I will answer any football question posed to me once you have answered mine .

You say Hodgson should be given as long as it takes

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes - esp when his track record is superior to current manager .[/quote]
How much did benitez waste?

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:04 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Seriously. Do you carry on like this around the house? Does your family not ever say "stop Fu*king moaning like an arl quilt"?
The last manager had more than enough time and money to win the league but didnt. His best wasnt good enough. We have to give the new manager time because its in OUR best interests to do so.
What is it that you really want?

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes ?

Answer the questions

I will answer any football question posed to me once you have answered mine .

You say Hodgson should be given as long as it takes

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes - esp when his track record is superior to current manager .[/quote]
How much did benitez waste?[/quote]
Ok i guess your not going to answer - discussion over for the time being and we will return as the season goes on and see if the improvements have been made . Thanks for ducking and diving when faced with a bit of reality.

by **Thommo's perm** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:09 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Seriously. Do you carry on like this around the house? Does your family not ever say "stop Fu*king moaning like an arl quilt"?
The last manager had more than enough time and money to win the league but didnt. His best wasnt good enough. We have to give the new manager time because its in OUR best interests to do so.
What is it that you really want?

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes ?

Answer the questions

I will answer any football question posed to me once you have answered mine .

You say Hodgson should be given as long as it takes

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes - esp when his track record is superior to current manager .

How much did benitez waste?[/quote]
Ok i guess your not going to answer - discussion over for the time being and we will return as the season goes on and see if the improvements have been made . Thanks for ducking and diving when faced with a bit of reality.[/quote]
Ouch! Reality hurts
:laugh:

I have neither the time or inclination to argue with a closed minded person who claims to be a supporter while undermining our manager at every opportunity.
I asked you what it is you really want. Do you know?

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:14 pm

Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:
Thommo's perm wrote:Seriously. Do you carry on like this around the house? Does your family not ever say "stop Fu*king moaning like an arl quilt"?
The last manager had more than enough time and money to win the league but didnt. His best wasnt good enough. We have to give the new manager time because its in OUR best interests to do so.
What is it that you really want?

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes ?

Answer the questions

I will answer any football question posed to me once you have answered mine .

You say Hodgson should be given as long as it takes

So why didnt you give the previous manager as long as it takes - esp when his track record is superior to current manager .

How much did benitez waste?

Ok i guess your not going to answer - discussion over for the time being and we will return as the season goes on and see if the improvements have been made . Thanks for ducking and diving when faced with a bit of reality.[/quote]
Ouch! Reality hurts
:laugh:

I have neither the time or inclination to argue with a closed minded person who claims to be a supporter while undermining our manager at every opportunity.
I asked you what it is you really want. Do you know?[/quote]
I know exactly what i want - i want the club to be success , i want the club to win trophies , i want the club to beat the best teams in europe , i want us to be challenging at the very least , i want us to have teams like West Brom come to Anfield and i want to see them get soundly beaten , i want a manager who is top class and has pedigree of being at the top and beating the best, a manager with a track record of success at the top level .

None of that i see will happen with current manager .

Numerous people claimed that things would change immediatly , Hodgson would be a breath of fresh air , things would change , we would no longer be defensive , we would attack teams , we would not set up in a defensive format , the players would be smiling , they would enjoy their football , they would play with the shackles removed - None of that has happened - so when will it .

The players in the past have proved they are good enough to challenge .

by **matt_liverpool** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:16 pm

Although our performance was well below par yesterday, I'm happy with a point at Birmingham. It's very early in the season yet and I'm sure Roy will get our team to play well once he understands all the players and the new signings settle. Future is bright. Future is Roy. :buttrock

by **jacdaniel** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:19 pm

Its important to mention that the previous manager was given 6 years because he was making progress, winning the Champions league and FA Cup while making progress in the league and constantly getting to the latter stages of the CL. he also broke our points record in the PL twice. This is why Rafa was given 6 years. Had he not of achieved at the club, he would of lost his job. It was the same with Ged. There was progress being made which justified him being given more time.

Currently it is the same for Roy. He may well get 6 or 7 years if he can prove that the team is progressing. But so far... it isnt. You don't just get time in football in this day and age. You have to show signs of progress. I hope Roy achieves that and gets some time for himself.

i personally think 2 years is an acceptable timeframe. (providing we're not in the relegation zone). If there is no progress by then... make a change. If there is visible progress.. back the man.

by **stmichael** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:20 pm

Benny The Noon wrote:Numerous people claimed that things would change immediatly , Hodgson would be a breath of fresh air , things would change , we would no longer be defensive , we would attack teams , we would not set up in a defensive format , the players would be smiling , they would enjoy their football , they would play with the shackles removed - None of that has happened - so when will it .

who said that?

by **Benny The Noon** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:21 pm

stmichael wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Numerous people claimed that things would change immediatly , Hodgson would be a breath of fresh air , things would change , we would no longer be defensive , we would attack teams , we would not set up in a defensive format , the players would be smiling , they would enjoy their football , they would play with the shackles removed - None of that has happened - so when will it .

who said that?

Just look through the thread - its all there by many people who were saying why Hodgson was the perfect choice as manager

by **Ciggy** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:23 pm

stmichael wrote:
Benny The Noon wrote:Numerous people claimed that things would change immediatly , Hodgson would be a breath of fresh air , things would change , we would no longer be defensive , we would attack teams , we would not set up in a defensive format , the players would be smiling , they would enjoy their football , they would play with the shackles removed - None of that has happened - so when will it .

who said that?

Most on here and in the press and the boardroom.

by **matt_liverpool** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 2:24 pm

jacdaniel wrote:Its important to mention that the previous manager was given 6 years because he was making progress, winning the Champions league and FA Cup while making progress in the league and constantly getting to the latter stages of the CL. he also broke our points record in the PL twice. This is why Rafa was given 6 years. Had he not of achieved at the club, he would of lost his job. It was the same with Ged. There was progress being made which justified him being given more time.

Currently it is the same for Roy. He may well get 6 or 7 years if he can prove that the team is progressing. But so far... it isnt. You don't just get time in football in this day and age. You have to show signs of progress. I hope Roy achieves that and gets some time for himself.

i personally think 2 years is an acceptable timeframe. (providing we're not in the relegation zone). If there is no progress by then... make a change. If there is visible progress.. back the man.

Very sensible post, I completely agree.

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