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[GYBS]

i pretty sure the echo have been guilty of headline making in the past and surely it would of been announced by the club if xabi had requested a transfer also maybe on sky sports as well or bbc sport headline news .

[bigmick]

I did smile at the "fickle" comments a page or so back. Speaking as someone who has been accused of it many times without justification, I do this time think people mare being a bit quick to condemn Alonso. If, as seems to be the case he really doesn't get on with the manager anymore, then surely his stellar efforts last season are the epitomy of a good professional.

He'll have had his Mrs tearfully in his earhole every day he got back from pre-season training "What's happening Xabi, I can't live like this, we're having a baby. FFS" (she might not have said the last bit I just put it in for effect). "Can't you have a word with Benitez, tell him you want a decision?". I can just see Xabi thinking I need all this sh!t like a hole in the head. Eventually of course it all blows over as nobody is prepared to pay the 16 million quid fee, and he gets back to work.

And how he works. He's stuck at least 10 million quid on top of his transfer value, he helped us play our best football for 20 seasons, and he's conducted himself by and large pretty well. People talk about him b eing vague, but that's only in the press. For all we know, he could have told Rafa on the final day of the season "Look, I'm off in the Summer just so's you know".

The guy has been a fantastic player for Liverpool and a model pro. He's given us five good years and he wants to go home. Let him go with dignity I say, both his and ours.

[Effes]

Sabre's picture has me wondering...what if we were to bring Arteta across the park to replace Xabi if he goes?  Another cultured midfielder that's  certainly shown he's suited to the English game.  It would wind the Bitters up no end as well.

Now that is a good shout Bob.

[Effes]

Barrett is another journo looking for scoops and readers and to create headlines - true or false .

He's off to The Times soon.

[heimdall]

i pretty sure the echo have been guilty of headline making in the past and surely it would of been announced by the club if xabi had requested a transfer also maybe on sky sports as well or bbc sport headline news .

That's right GYBS, stick your head in the sand as always. Maybe the overwhelming evidence is all wrong and you standing alone as always are in fact right. 

If Xabi leaves in this way then he is a sneaky little git, and in some ways I'll be happy he's going as we desperately need some more attack in our midfield.

If he had an ounce of honour he would have come out immediately when all this started and said he wants to leave, lets negotiate and try and get the best price possible for the club that's paid my wages for the last 5 years.
I never understand these pathetic ego trip games that footballers need to play to make themselves feel more important, it's sad really.

[Bad Bob]

I did smile at the "fickle" comments a page or so back. Speaking as someone who has been accused of it many times without justification, I do this time think people mare being a bit quick to condemn Alonso. If, as seems to be the case he really doesn't get on with the manager anymore, then surely his stellar efforts last season are the epitomy of a good professional.

He'll have had his Mrs tearfully in his earhole every day he got back from pre-season training "What's happening Xabi, I can't live like this, we're having a baby. FFS" (she might not have said the last bit I just put it in for effect). "Can't you have a word with Benitez, tell him you want a decision?". I can just see Xabi thinking I need all this sh!t like a hole in the head. Eventually of course it all blows over as nobody is prepared to pay the 16 million quid fee, and he gets back to work.

And how he works. He's stuck at least 10 million quid on top of his transfer value, he helped us play our best football for 20 seasons, and he's conducted himself by and large pretty well. People talk about him b eing vague, but that's only in the press. For all we know, he could have told Rafa on the final day of the season "Look, I'm off in the Summer just so's you know".

The guy has been a fantastic player for Liverpool and a model pro. He's given us five good years and he wants to go home. Let him go with dignity I say, both his and ours.

[heimdall]

I did smile at the "fickle" comments a page or so back. Speaking as someone who has been accused of it many times without justification, I do this time think people mare being a bit quick to condemn Alonso. If, as seems to be the case he really doesn't get on with the manager anymore, then surely his stellar efforts last season are the epitomy of a good professional.

He'll have had his Mrs tearfully in his earhole every day he got back from pre-season training "What's happening Xabi, I can't live like this, we're having a baby. FFS" (she might not have said the last bit I just put it in for effect). "Can't you have a word with Benitez, tell him you want a decision?". I can just see Xabi thinking I need all this sh!t like a hole in the head. Eventually of course it all blows over as nobody is prepared to pay the 16 million quid fee, and he gets back to work.

And how he works. He's stuck at least 10 million quid on top of his transfer value, he helped us play our best football for 20 seasons, and he's conducted himself by and large pretty well. People talk about him b eing vague, but that's only in the press. For all we know, he could have told Rafa on the final day of the season "Look, I'm off in the Summer just so's you know".

The guy has been a fantastic player for Liverpool and a model pro. He's given us five good years and he wants to go home. Let him go with dignity I say, both his and ours.

Yeah poor little lamb, what's he on, £75k a week, times is hard, times is hard.

I have no problem with him wanting to move on or even with him hating Rafa, but trying to feck LFC out of much needed transfer money by destabilising the negotiations in Real Madrid's favour is way way out of order and if true I will never forgive him, plus I have never really liked him as a player anyway, far too defensive for my liking although he can pass the ball quite well.

[GYBS]

i pretty sure the echo have been guilty of headline making in the past and surely it would of been announced by the club if xabi had requested a transfer also maybe on sky sports as well or bbc sport headline news .

That's right GYBS, stick your head in the sand as always. Maybe the overwhelming evidence is all wrong and you standing alone as always are in fact right. 

If Xabi leaves in this way then he is a sneaky little git, and in some ways I'll be happy he's going as we desperately need some more attack in our midfield.

If he had an ounce of honour he would have come out immediately when all this started and said he wants to leave, lets negotiate and try and get the best price possible for the club that's paid my wages for the last 5 years.
I never understand these pathetic ego trip games that footballers need to play to make themselves feel more important, it's sad really.

what evidence is that ? the fact that xabi himself hasnt said he is going or rafa saying he wont be selling him ?

[GYBS]

I did smile at the "fickle" comments a page or so back. Speaking as someone who has been accused of it many times without justification, I do this time think people mare being a bit quick to condemn Alonso. If, as seems to be the case he really doesn't get on with the manager anymore, then surely his stellar efforts last season are the epitomy of a good professional.

He'll have had his Mrs tearfully in his earhole every day he got back from pre-season training "What's happening Xabi, I can't live like this, we're having a baby. FFS" (she might not have said the last bit I just put it in for effect). "Can't you have a word with Benitez, tell him you want a decision?". I can just see Xabi thinking I need all this sh!t like a hole in the head. Eventually of course it all blows over as nobody is prepared to pay the 16 million quid fee, and he gets back to work.

And how he works. He's stuck at least 10 million quid on top of his transfer value, he helped us play our best football for 20 seasons, and he's conducted himself by and large pretty well. People talk about him b eing vague, but that's only in the press. For all we know, he could have told Rafa on the final day of the season "Look, I'm off in the Summer just so's you know".

The guy has been a fantastic player for Liverpool and a model pro. He's given us five good years and he wants to go home. Let him go with dignity I say, both his and ours.

Yeah poor little lamb, what's he on, £75k a week, times is hard, times is hard.

I have no problem with him wanting to move on or even with him hating Rafa, but trying to feck LFC out of much needed transfer money by destabilising the negotiations in Real Madrid's favour is way way out of order and if true I will never forgive him, plus I have never really liked him as a player anyway, far too defensive for my liking although he can pass the ball quite well.

well its nice to see your basing a clueless opinion on pure speculation and utter rubbish

[aCe']

i dont understand the logic to what you're saying Heimdall .. seriously i just dont !
He wants out.. he wants it sorted out soon... whats the big deal... Rafa probably knows all about this for quite some time now and its not like the transfer window is shutting in a few hours...
He was mistreated by the manager last season and for whatever reason hes decided hes had enough now and he wants out... 25-30mill is good money if we get that so lets just get on with it and find ourselves a good replacement...
My biggest worry isnt Xabi leaving... all big clubs lose big players at some point... its how we react to it... mainly, how Rafa goes about our transfer activity with the money we get from the deal...
Its no rocket science as far as im concerned..we either switch to a 4-4-2 and stick Gerrard back in the middle and use all the money to bring in the best forward we can get to play alongside Torres..
OR we go out and bring in a replacement for Xabi and use the rest of the money in improving other areas of the squad... im not buying all the BS about Xabi being irreplacable and all that... hes a good player but lets not over exaggerate his importance to the side... Cambiasso is a good shout if we're planning on keeping the defensive look to the side or maybe someone like Aquilani, seedorf or sneijder if we're looking at being a little more expansive...

[Sabre]

The guy has been a fantastic player for Liverpool and a model pro. He's given us five good years and he wants to go home. Let him go with dignity I say, both his and ours.

In my opinion, and I think this is not a surprise I say this, he has served the club very well.

And just because I regarded him a model pro, I find difficult he fancies a move to Real Madrid. It's a team made not by Pellegrini, but by the chairman.

A model pro should think on winning leagues and titles, and he's in the correct club for that. Real Madrid was the correct club for that many years ago, but not now.

A model pro should value the working environment of English clubs in which you don't have a camera in the training session while you touch your right egg while waiting for a shooting session. A model pro should value being part of a squad that is on the verge of doing great things (as you know I've been thinking all the way we've been improving).

No mate, I do value what Alonso has done for us until now, but I couldn't just accept he left for Real Madrid right now. I would understand if Liverpool were in decay, but not right now, he can win everything here. Everything.

I guess it's tempting to be regarded as fundamental part in a puzzle done with Ronaldos Kakas and Riberys, but I hope he understands he's in a top club already with names like Gerrard or Torres or Reina, who are not worse than the Casillas, Kakas and Ronaldos.

If he doesn't see that, at least I hope he understands Liverpool can't afford to sell him on the cheap. I can only see two ways of seeing Alonso go with dignity: a) after winning the league, or b) after leaving a very good sum in our bank account.

It's not about letting down Rafa in my case mate, it's about letting down Liverpool.

[NANNY RED]

I did smile at the "fickle" comments a page or so back. Speaking as someone who has been accused of it many times without justification, I do this time think people mare being a bit quick to condemn Alonso. If, as seems to be the case he really doesn't get on with the manager anymore, then surely his stellar efforts last season are the epitomy of a good professional.

He'll have had his Mrs tearfully in his earhole every day he got back from pre-season training "What's happening Xabi, I can't live like this, we're having a baby. FFS" (she might not have said the last bit I just put it in for effect). "Can't you have a word with Benitez, tell him you want a decision?". I can just see Xabi thinking I need all this sh!t like a hole in the head. Eventually of course it all blows over as nobody is prepared to pay the 16 million quid fee, and he gets back to work.

And how he works. He's stuck at least 10 million quid on top of his transfer value, he helped us play our best football for 20 seasons, and he's conducted himself by and large pretty well. People talk about him b eing vague, but that's only in the press. For all we know, he could have told Rafa on the final day of the season "Look, I'm off in the Summer just so's you know".

The guy has been a fantastic player for Liverpool and a model pro. He's given us five good years and he wants to go home. Let him go with dignity I say, both his and ours.

snif sniff

[Ben Patrick]

Good post Sabres lid.

[NANNY RED]

The guy has been a fantastic player for Liverpool and a model pro. He's given us five good years and he wants to go home. Let him go with dignity I say, both his and ours.

In my opinion, and I think this is not a surprise I say this, he has served the club very well.

And just because I regarded him a model pro, I find difficult he fancies a move to Real Madrid. It's a team made not by Pellegrini, but by the chairman.

A model pro should think on winning leagues and titles, and he's in the correct club for that. Real Madrid was the correct club for that many years ago, but not now.

A model pro should value the working environment of English clubs in which you don't have a camera in the training session while you touch your right egg while waiting for a shooting session. A model pro should value being part of a squad that is on the verge of doing great things (as you know I've been thinking all the way we've been improving).

No mate, I do value what Alonso has done for us until now, but I couldn't just accept he left for Real Madrid right now. I would understand if Liverpool were in decay, but not right now, he can win everything here. Everything.

I guess it's tempting to be regarded as fundamental part in a puzzle done with Ronaldos Kakas and Riberys, but I hope he understands he's in a top club already with names like Gerrard or Torres or Reina, who are not worse than the Casillas, Kakas and Ronaldos.

If he doesn't see that, at least I hope he understands Liverpool can't afford to sell him on the cheap. I can only see two ways of seeing Alonso go with dignity: a) after winning the league, or b) after leaving a very good sum in our bank account.

It's not about letting down Rafa in my case mate, it's about letting down Liverpool.

Fecking hell Sabes im all choked up reading that,

[JC_81]

People need to remember that Benitez was going to let Alonso go for as little as 14-15 million last summer if he could get it.  As it happened Juve wouldn't go much above 12 and the deal collapsed.

It's a credit to the player that he knuckled down after Rafa tried to sell him to any club he could last summer and had his best season in an LFC shirt.  Who'd have though last summer that we'd actually have grounds to ask for around 30 million for Alonso??  I sure as hell didn't, I was all for selling him as he hadn't produced the goods for at least 2 seasons last summer.

30+ million is over-valuing him to be honest.  Benitez tied Alonso down to a 4 year deal and then tried to sell him.  Alonso responds by having a fantastic season.  What's Rafa's response to the lad wanting to then go back to Spain?  He prices him out of a move.  25 million last summer and Benitez would have bitten Madrid's hand off and that's a fact.

I'd love Alonso to stay now, but to be fair to the lad he's been a good servant.  If we can get 20+ million plus Negredo (who's at least worth 10 mil or so) then do the lad a favour and let him go.  What's more, do it now, don't wait til deadline day and leave us no time to get a replacement in.  That said, if Benitez can patch things up with Alonso, tell him we're close to winning the league and if he stays one more season we'll sell him next summer hopefully after winning the league then that would be the ideal scenario for me.  It may be too late for that though.