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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:51 pm

Only 1 team has managed to defend the prem title since the mid noughties and that was moneybags City. Back to back prem titles is very difficult to do and imo without significant recruitment in the summer we haven’t got the squad to do it.
We’ve been very lucky with injuries to our front 3 over the past couple of years.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:56 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:51 pm wrote:Only 1 team has managed to defend the prem title since the mid noughties and that was moneybags City. Back to back prem titles is very difficult to do and imo without significant recruitment in the summer we haven’t got the squad to do it.
We’ve been very lucky with injuries to our front 3 over the past couple of years.


We do have the squad to win the title again and it’s not always down to luck that we get through without injuries - we have at times been without one of the front three -  it again Klopp is not the type of manager to just spend money to have “back up”.
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Postby electrum » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:07 pm

Klopp has learned something you clearly haven't - buying the "right players" is critical even at a premium.

Would we be anywhere near winning the league without a GK at 70M and a Defender at 75m and a top DM and AM at 40M each?
We would not even be top 4 and you know it,

So Professor , You can guarantee (seeing as you only know how to make absolute statements rather than discuss rationally) that Williams, Hoever et al are ready to play in the PL on a regular basis next year? Deluded isn't the word for you.

Are City , United, Chelsea et al going to be turning to their youth teams to make up a 20-40 point gap on us? Again, deluded doesn't quite cut it. You seem to think that we will win the league again by simply doing the same things. Tell me how many seasons has Klopp done the same thing in terms of style of play and personnel since he got here? ZERO, we have been honed into a machine by making tweaks and changes all over the pitch.Even our gegenpressing (Klopps hallmark) has been adapted to the PL as and when needed.

He will know he has to evolve and make it ever more difficult for the opposition to "be wise to us". He will not get stuck in a more of the same will do it as no-one else will improve- unlike you.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:32 pm

electrum » Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:07 pm wrote:Klopp has learned something you clearly haven't - buying the "right players" is critical even at a premium.

Would we be anywhere near winning the league without a GK at 70M and a Defender at 75m and a top DM and AM at 40M each?
We would not even be top 4 and you know it,


Players all bought to go straight into the first team to replace players -  not spending £50plus millions to sit on the bench

So Professor , You can guarantee (seeing as you only know how to make absolute statements rather than discuss rationally) that Williams, Hoever et al are ready to play in the PL on a regular basis next year? Deluded isn't the word for you.


Why would they need to be playing regular in the Prem when we have TAA and Robbo already the best two fullbacks in European Football ?! - they will be “back up”
Are City , United, Chelsea et al going to be turning to their youth teams to make up a 20-40 point gap on us? Again, deluded doesn't quite cut it. You seem to think that we will win the league again by simply doing the same things. Tell me how many seasons has Klopp done the same thing in terms of style of play and personnel since he got here? ZERO, we have been honed into a machine by making tweaks and changes all over the pitch.Even our gegenpressing (Klopps hallmark) has been adapted to the PL as and when needed.

He will know he has to evolve and make it ever more difficult for the opposition to "be wise to us". He will not get stuck in a more of the same will do it as no-one else will improve- unlike you.


What spending did Klopp do in the summer to turn us from runners up to winners ? How much money did he spend in the summer ? What multi million pound signings arrived - where did I say l” doinf the same things” again

To make it simple - Klopp works with small squads , did at Dortmund and has done with us - he only spends when there is something that team reallly needs but even then he is paitent. He is very smart with the clubs money and is certainly not going to spend millions upon millions on players who will sit on the bench as back. Far too many people read nonsense on gossip click bait sights. It’s the same as what happened in the summer - all over the place was story after story about this player and that player arriving and when they turned out to be nonsense people throw strops. Klopp is not going to spend £80 mil on someone like Havertz when we have Keita , Ox and Jones  ( plus Minamino ) for the more advanced roles - Origi May leave which will leave a gap that he may well fill with Werner or someone younger.  Klopp has a lot of faith in his squad and also in the youngster behind them - people are expecting a different mentality which just ant going to happen.
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Postby electrum » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:21 pm

So tell us who these wonderful gems are at 20m that will give us zero drop off in quality (or very little) coming off the bench?
The market has moved on - to have subs that cost 50m will be the norm if you want to compete with Abu Dhabi.Keita is regularly on the bench for us and he is not quite the quality we need (or has not demonstrated it yet at least)

Fabinho and Keita were immediate starters? Selective memory loss and change of subject seem to be your speciality.

As an example you refer to only RObbo and TAA when your original comment included Jones and Elliot too.

You didn't answer my questions about how many seasons Klopp left things unchanged regarding players and playing style...
Comparing Dortmund with us is meaningless. The competition here is brutal compared to the German league so let's leave that one alone shall we.

The FACT is that we need to improve our squad depth and quality. If we don't our rivals will catch and eventually overtake us- this is the reality of the PL
Klopp changed his mentality by breaking records in the transfer market twice in a few weeks...completely opposite to what he had said about spending big money the season before. So stop saying he hasn't / won't have a change of mentality- if he hadn't we would be struggling for 4th.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:11 pm

electrum » Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:21 pm wrote:So tell us who these wonderful gems are at 20m that will give us zero drop off in quality (or very little) coming off the bench?


The market has moved on - to have subs that cost 50m will be the norm if you want to compete with Abu Dhabi.Keita is regularly on the bench for us and he is not quite the quality we need (or has not demonstrated it yet at least)


Do you expect us to have the same level of squad as City ?! Seriously - they have the most expensive squad in history. We have to rely on clever buying, excellent scouting and outstanding coaching - and compete with Abu Dhabi ?! Financially it’s never going to happen - we aren’t going to be like City and spending £50 mil on a mahrez to sit and be back up - but we have clearly shown on the pitch we can compete with them - last season they nicked it by a whisker , this season we are smashing them out of the park.

We will never have the squad like City - we can’t afford to have big fees and wages sat on tbe bench - and anyone that thinks differently clearly hasn’t got a clue

Fabinho and Keita were immediate starters? Selective memory loss and change of subject seem to be your speciality.



Both players were bought to improve the starting 11 - simple as that , they weren’t bought as back up to sit on the bench , Keita went straight into the first 11 , Fabinho was eased in but both were bought for the first team not as squad players

As an example you refer to only RObbo and TAA when your original comment included Jones and Elliot too.


Yes Jones and Elliot will be part of future squads to be used as back up whilst they develop further - what’s the issue ?

You didn't answer my questions about how many seasons Klopp left things unchanged regarding players and playing style...



Klopp hasn’t changed much from last season to this season - the players have just improved their mentality and resilience over the past two seasons - there was a great interview with Linders who even said the methods haven’t changed , the self belief has whilst Klopp has improved the first team.

Comparing Dortmund with us is meaningless. The competition here is brutal compared to the German league so let's leave that one alone shall we.

Why should we “leave it alone” when it’s very clear that Klopps methods that he had with Dortmund are the same as how he works with us - again something else discussed with Linders. In Germany he battled to overcome the big spending giant - guess what he is doing in the Prem

The FACT is that we need to improve our squad depth and quality. If we don't our rivals will catch and eventually overtake us- this is the reality of the PL




It’s not a “fact” at all - it’s your opinion , we have done nothing but improve as each year goes by with Klopp to the point we are miles ahead of our rivals right now - and Klopp will move the team forward again next season - we have a 25 point gap right now .

Klopp changed his mentality by breaking records in the transfer market twice in a few weeks...completely opposite to what he had said about spending big money the season before. So stop saying he hasn't / won't have a change of mentality- if he hadn't we would be struggling for 4th.


He didn’t “change his mentality “ at all - he wanted VVD un the summer , the club messed up , Klopp still wanted VVD and we ended up paying a significant amount more because the club messed up , he was searching for a keeper for 2 years - he hasn’t changed his ideals , his Methodology- pop onto the website and search out the interviews from players like Henderson , Milner and Linders and you will see the insight for yourself


It’s clear from your posts you expect a different way and model from the club - we aren’t ever going to challenge the likes of City on the transfer market , it’s just not going to happen - Klopp is going to continue to have his nucleus of core 11 with the odd tweak mainly in the midfield as he rotates a few - he isn’t going to have £50 - 80mil pound players sat on the bench , we aren’t going to have like for like for the front three.
Klopp is going to rely on the strength in the unity of the squad - the ability for people to come into the team and ensure the overall strength of the 11 Stays the same - we aren’t going to have another mane or Mo sat waiting to come on - just not going to happen
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:29 pm

Relying on 11 players to stay fit doesn’t look the best strategy to me.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:33 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:29 pm wrote:Relying on 11 players to stay fit doesn’t look the best strategy to me.



He doesn’t though - he has rotated plenty of times throughout the year - the full backs stay the same , VVD and then the front three but players like Ox , Matip , Lovren , Milner , Adrian , Origi , Shaqiri , Jones , Lallana have come in when needed


Suspect Lovren , Lallana and maybe Origi will leave - Curtis Jones will fill the gap left by Lallana , Lovren filled by Williams/Hoever but will look to bring in someone to replace Origi - Werner it seems Is the hot topic
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:41 am

Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:33 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:29 pm wrote:Relying on 11 players to stay fit doesn’t look the best strategy to me.



He doesn’t though - he has rotated plenty of times throughout the year - the full backs stay the same , VVD and then the front three but players like Ox , Matip , Lovren , Milner , Adrian , Origi , Shaqiri , Jones , Lallana have come in when needed


Suspect Lovren , Lallana and maybe Origi will leave - Curtis Jones will fill the gap left by Lallana , Lovren filled by Williams/Hoever but will look to bring in someone to replace Origi - Werner it seems Is the hot topic


IMO we need more strength in depth than Jones and Williams who are both incredibly inexperienced, big ask to be challenging for the title and CL if they are what’s on our bench, Williams hasn’t played a single minute of premier league football and Jones has 2 sub appearances to his name. Klopp himself says it’s a squad game these days not a team game so we’d be asking for trouble there imo. As for Origi moving on where are you getting that from? He only signed a new long term deal with us at the beginning of this season, I know contracts don’t mean much these days but I’d be surprised if we moved him on less than 12 months after he penned a new deal.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Mar 09, 2020 9:29 am

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:41 pm wrote:
Lallana in Pyjamas » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:33 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Mar 08, 2020 9:29 pm wrote:Relying on 11 players to stay fit doesn’t look the best strategy to me.



He doesn’t though - he has rotated plenty of times throughout the year - the full backs stay the same , VVD and then the front three but players like Ox , Matip , Lovren , Milner , Adrian , Origi , Shaqiri , Jones , Lallana have come in when needed


Suspect Lovren , Lallana and maybe Origi will leave - Curtis Jones will fill the gap left by Lallana , Lovren filled by Williams/Hoever but will look to bring in someone to replace Origi - Werner it seems Is the hot topic


IMO we need more strength in depth than Jones and Williams who are both incredibly inexperienced, big ask to be challenging for the title and CL if they are what’s on our bench, Williams hasn’t played a single minute of premier league football and Jones has 2 sub appearances to his name. Klopp himself says it’s a squad game these days not a team game so we’d be asking for trouble there imo. As for Origi moving on where are you getting that from? He only signed a new long term deal with us at the beginning of this season, I know contracts don’t mean much these days but I’d be surprised if we moved him on less than 12 months after he penned a new deal.



We have already been challenging for the title and CL for the past two seasons with the level of squad we have

Klopp mentions the squad game when he gets critisized for playing young players in the cup games

Players like Jones etc are using that expirence gained time be able to be called upon on in the Prem next season

When it comes to the CL and Prem Klopp has 8/9 players that will play every single time - he will rotate the midfield a bit more.

We are not going to be getting squad players the same as city
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Postby devaney » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:18 am

8 players, the front 3, back 4 and Ali are virtually nailed on. The rotation is literally down to the midfield 3 and that has been largely due to injury. The bench certainly looks better than what we turned up with for the CL final against Real Madrid but it still isn't great.
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Postby Reg » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:53 am

The front 3 have run out of gas..... with the demands of summer tournaments and tours it's ridiculous how little down time they get. As long as we have CL money we should have a suitable number of replacements across all areas of the park.
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Postby Cool Hand Luke » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:51 pm

I think most of what we’ve seen over the past month has been a symptom of winning the league in January and going into the winter break with a 22-point lead. The teams we are playing just need the wins more than us and it only takes a small drop. It’s not intentional, it’s a subconscious thing, and not isolated to the players. I was speaking to my mate who is a season ticket holder and he said the atmosphere at Anfield has been incredible this year but has completely dropped off since the winter break and that’s how it sounds on the TV too. The way we are walking the league without anyone chasing us down is unheard of and the players and fans are not feeling any pressure or anxiety. I don’t think the players are physically tired, they are just playing without pressure and anxiety and that’s caused a drop off.

I wasn’t too concerned by the away game in CL. It was a typical away game against a quality side who over the past 5 years have been the best defensively in Europe. On Wednesday the pressure and anxiety will return so I would expect the tempo of the crowd and the players to go up a couple of notches.
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