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[LFC2007]

I'm lovin' it.

[Kharhaz]

After the 8-0 bigmick you said you would keep the same side and although I disagreed you have indeed stuck with what you have said. And after that result rafa also agreed with you ! We should stick with our strongest team until injurys say so otherwise. From what I believe rafa has rotated to keep players fresh and to stop them from burning out. It doesnt seem to be having the effect he so desires.

[Kharhaz]

I'm lovin' it.

Im sure you are. For the record recognise this. There are many names on here and a majority of them have personalities, yours however does not, you seem to make it your mission to wind up people with your dictionary and thesaurus beside your keyboard and your collection of star trek laid out in chronological order behind you on your "no more nails" laid shelves with your blow up doll stood ready for attention when you feel you have made a point. You are one who can call on the english language to put forward your view but you are simply a mindless idiot who makes the most of his broadband to find other peoples opinions on other sites and class that as proof. Why not go to your other ID? oh thats why ! we could see through that also, put simply....your a TW@T !

[Bad Bob]

Let it go, the both of you.  No need to derail the most interesting footy thread on the board with a personal spat.  Do it by PM.

[Ciggy]

All I want is an answer, not one of your many hunches, and not another 'I detect' just....'This is my answer to your question'. In summary, please answer the bloody question(s) - and the many I have put to you before that have yet to be answered!

Thank you.

Who are you like?

Demanding answers to your questions.

Trying to shit stir once again.

[66-1112520797]

While I hopefully understand your position on rotation (without fully agreeing), I am still not sure how you would answer the charge that its the team thats not got enough matchwinners rather than rotation thats our main problem.

Its both S@int.

I have a 'hunch'    that you are quite right about the matchwinners. We dont have enough of them, but I dont think rotation helps the cause atall.

When all things like this considered we still seem a fair way off title contenders.

[Judge]

So, why is it, when a game comes around he agrees with the team?

You can't have it both ways IMO.

I know you are the past master at re-quoting old posts LFC so I enter this minefield with extreme trepidation but here goes. I think at the time fo the Birmingham game I talked of Rafa "getting the rotation out of his system". I think I advocated a line-up which was far more of an experiment than the one he actually put out. Why? Well firstly I thought we would still beat Birmingham (jeez how did I know they were going to defend deep the cheeky feckers  ) and secondly like I said I hoped we could then return to a measure of sensibility.

That I was wrong on both counts is neither unusual nor relevant. Now like I say, given your propensity for the killer quote LFC I have absolutely no doubts whatsoever that you will trawl through my thousands of posts on the subject and find an instance or two where what I am saying now directly contradicts what I appeared to be saying then. No matter, and I have absolutely no intention of sifting through hundreds of my posts (jeez you wouldn't wish it on your worst enemy) to disprove anything.

I feel I have been fairly consistent for about three years. Pick your strongest team, and until a very good reason comes up, stick to it. I don't like it when you rotate the team. I don't particularly care what you change it from, or what you change it into, I don't like the changes. Pick a team and broadly stick with it.

On the one hand, you agree with virtually every side picked since the Portsmouth game, and on the other you kick up a fuss about how we've overrotated since then.

You've invariably accepted most of our line-ups since Pompey. Either, you disagree with the individual line-ups for games in this period on the basis that we have 'unnecessarily' rotated from our previous EPL matches, or you agree with the line-ups generally speaking. You've been doing the latter. Doing the latter, whilst also moaning about how we've made 'unnecessary' rotations and screaming about how massively detrimental they are to our form, is an inconsistent position. You don't mind reasonable rotation, and you accept a little bit of 'silly rotation' for cup matches, so please tell me where the probem is, where has the 'silly rotation' been of late? Can you please clarify your position on this point?

All I want is an answer, not one of your many hunches, and not another 'I detect' just....'This is my answer to your question'. In summary, please answer the bloody question(s) - and the many I have put to you before that have yet to be answered!

Thank you.

its unimportant what others think, but more of what you think, so then debate can begin

rather you lambasting others, you need to really post your own thoughts first, and maybe use others quotes to either justify or strengthen your view, or the opposite.

that would be more constructive lfc2007, dont you think ?

[Sabre]

Let it go, the both of you.  No need to derail the most interesting footy thread on the board with a personal spat.  Do it by PM.

There should exist some sort of "junk thread", so that when me or anyone goes off topic or in a fight automatically all the posts involved in the detour are moved there so that the spat continues (or not).

[account deleted by request]

Let it go, the both of you.  No need to derail the most interesting footy thread on the board with a personal spat.  Do it by PM.

There should exist some sort of "junk thread", so that when me or anyone goes off topic or in a fight automatically all the posts involved in the detour are moved there so that the spat continues (or not).

You tried that when we had the "fight thread" though Sabre. It didn't work then and I don't think it would work now.

I think bust ups are enevitable when we are discussing topics close to our hearts. Maybe the sensible approach would be for the people who have an argument to just ignore each others posts for a while, until tempers and feelings have cooled. 

I try to ignore LFC2007 as much as I can, and I am sure he does the same with my posts. Saves arguing, ill feelings and ruining threads.

[Judge]

Let it go, the both of you.  No need to derail the most interesting footy thread on the board with a personal spat.  Do it by PM.

There should exist some sort of "junk thread", so that when me or anyone goes off topic or in a fight automatically all the posts involved in the detour are moved there so that the spat continues (or not).

You tried that when we had the "fight thread" though Sabre. It didn't work then and I don't think it would work now.

I think bust ups are enevitable when we are discussing topics close to our hearts. Maybe the sensible approach would be for the people who have an argument to just ignore each others posts for a while, until tempers and feelings have cooled. 

I try to ignore LFC2007 as much as I can, and I am sure he does the same with my posts. Saves arguing, ill feelings and ruining threads.

not a cut and paste in sight 

[Sabre]

Fair enough S@int it didn't work, but hey the idea failed in the middle of a fight between Ciggy and Stu, which are both energetic when fighting , plus the forum at that time was more torrid than it is at the moment, for some reason.

Ignoring always is not the solution though. There are opinions you ignore because you find them clueless or stupid and that's something we all do, and we must expect always our input won't be liked always.

However it's more difficult to ignore a personal comment doubting your loyalty to this club, insulting your son, that is, a personal insult. If it's ignored and nothing is done, then it means it can carry on. Busts are inevitable but it should be done in general chat, I wouldn't mind if the mods directly moved or deleted any off topic comment in a footie thread -- including this one I'm writing. I won't moan about freedom of speech nor nothing like that, it's a matter of keeping the footie threads clean.

[Bad Bob]

Well, in the case of two members who don't get along, my preferences would be, in descending order:

1) Ignoring each other
2) Sorting/battling it out via PM
3) Opening an FAO thread in general chat if there is an absolute need to defend one's honour/clear one's name etc. (that is, not just as an opportunity for publicly winding up an antagonist)

Of course, I don't speak for the other Mods in this and they'll have their own views/tolerance levels, no doubt.  The bottom line, for me, is that protracted personal spats should not be allowed to derail good footy discussion.  Nor, for that matter, should good footy debate be inhibited by too much discussion about how to handle such spats--including the contributions of yours truly.

As such, back to topic...

[Sabre]

Right. Rotation. 

We left the discussion when Bigmick made clear his point, but LFC2007 (I hate those unoriginal nicknames ) said that both Ace and me were missing the point. In the mean time he explains that point, I have a question.

Imagine you don't rotate not the defence, nor Gerrard, nor Alonso, nor Mascherano, nor Torres.


And you have a sequence of games, league on sunday, CL on wednesday, league again on sunday, CL again on wednesday.

Question: Does anybody sincerely think that in the fourth game that key players will be at their best?

If you have answered negatively, then you have to "rest" a player in a traditional way. And in the fifth game you'll have a game in which that rested player is not playing (or injured if unlucky).

It may perfectly happen that for that fifth game that player is specifically very important due to his attributes, and since you can't play at his best, you rest a player. Rotation gives you full control of your squad if you plan carefully the schedule of games. In a Birmingham at Anfield game, you should be able to rotate Torres and EXPECT a win with the other strikers. Not rotating also leads at some point to not playing a player, and what's worse, you cannot chose when, it depends how is the fitness of the player. Back to topic then

[LFC2007]

I'm lovin' it.

Im sure you are. For the record recognise this. There are many names on here and a majority of them have personalities, yours however does not, you seem to make it your mission to wind up people with your dictionary and thesaurus beside your keyboard and your collection of star trek laid out in chronological order behind you on your "no more nails" laid shelves with your blow up doll stood ready for attention when you feel you have made a point. You are one who can call on the english language to put forward your view but you are simply a mindless idiot who makes the most of his broadband to find other peoples opinions on other sites and class that as proof. Why not go to your other ID? oh thats why ! we could see through that also, put simply....your a TW@T !

[LFC2007]

All I want is an answer, not one of your many hunches, and not another 'I detect' just....'This is my answer to your question'. In summary, please answer the bloody question(s) - and the many I have put to you before that have yet to be answered!

Thank you.

Who are you like?

Demanding answers to your questions.

Trying to shit stir once again.

Demanding answers?

No, just attempting to get a straight answer to clarify another member's position on a few points.

Again, no need to jump in but you do. Sh!t stirring would appear to be your forte.