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Postby tubby » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:07 pm

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bigmick wrote:I tell you this right now, if he's staying then I for one am feeling VERY upbeat about the way things are going. Lets look at it:

We've lost Benayoun, a player who has wanted away for a while, and gained Joe Cole who's a far better player. We've also gained 6 million quid, which hopefully we will spend on a good left back (my own preference is for Figuroa).

We've lost Riera, who I quite liked but was a bit of a ponce and whose head was far too square for his own good. We banked a bit of cash as well. We look like getting 5 mill for Insua which is top dollar, and we've invested it in this Danny Wilson kid, and we have a bit of change out of the whole proceedings. We've told Deggen to find a new club, we're thinking about doing the same witht he Greek and Maxi. No probs from me with any of that.

We're selling Masherano who I think is a disruptive influence. Hopefully we'll get top dollar and we can buy some players who actually want to play for us.

We've kept our best two players despite many predictions to the contrary.


Well done Roy, keep up the good work :buttrock .

Sorry but on Torres I don't think Roy had much of a say. If his own comments recently were anything to go by it was Purslow doing most of the talking.

The only reason Torres is staying is because he loves the club and wants to give it more time to sell to new owners, get better players in ect... and a new manager too. Hodgsen isn't a long term choice imo.

I'm getting confused again, and it's getting harder and harder to keep up around here.

So, while Rafa was still the manager, the ONLY reason our best players were still at the club was because he was here. The minute he walked out of the door, our best players would follow him.

Then, Roy Hodgson is appointed and it's the biggest joke appointment of the century. The best players would be queueing up to go, and when Masherano reiterated his desire to leave, we got "we told you so" and "it's started". Up to now, I'm following it no problem.

Meanwhile back at the ranch, "fecking Purslow :angry:" is doing the transfers. Not that it matters overly, because without any money and with a sh!t manager, nobody will sign for us anyway. Up to this point, I understood everything.

Then, loh and behold we beat Spurs, Man Utd and Arsenal to sign Joe Cole. Apparantly he's had a chat with Hodgson and was very impressed with his plans for the club. This though, is nothing to do with Roy, and besides our previous manager probably would have been in for him anyway. At this point, I'm starting to get a little bit confused, especially when obviously Purslow can't be given any credit either.

Then, Gerrard and Torres decide to stay too, saying they are impressed with the manager. Once more though, this is nothing to do with Roy either. Presumeably "fecking Purslow :angry:" talked them into it.

I personally think it's fantastic that these top players are prepared to commit to the club, despite them having absoluitely no belief whatsoever in the manager. Maybe it's because they like the kit or something, Red being their colour and all that.

Presumeably if we do improve on 7th, don't tell me, that's nothing to do with Roy either  ???. So it's only if we don't do any good that he gets any credit for it?

I'm glad our supprters are getting behind him now, I bet it feels great  :laugh: .

I was talking about Torres specifically but as you wanted to touch on other players so be it. Ok Hogdsen probably had some input in Cole and Gerrard but to be honest in Gerrards case he was never really going to leave us. The only club he would have gone to was Madrid and the club was never going to sell him for anything less than a silly figure.

As for Torres we both know he isn't happy with the state of the club and the lack of investment in top players but as he showed in South Africa he wears his heart on his sleeve so an extra year at the club was always a likely outcome, especially as we are more than likely going to be taken over this year.

To be honest when Roy made those comments about Purslow 'having a chat' with Torres I wasn't in the slightest bothered and im pretty sure I didn't say 'fecking Purslow' either. Roy is just the coach where as Purslow is involved with the takeover, something Fernando was keen to get info on.

If you want to start making stupid insinuations about what comments will be coming out should we finish above 7th then that's your prerogative.

I'm just saying I don't think Roy had fk all to do with Torres deciding to stay. Hope that cleared things up for you.
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Postby tubby » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:09 pm

bigmick wrote:Some people are positively besides themselves waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. It's so sad to see.

No one is putting the boot in. It was just an observation which you perceived to be a dig. And quite ironic your comment about waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. Last season you were a disgrace!  :laugh:
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Postby Greavesie » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:09 pm

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Greavesie wrote:can we not just say 'get in there Nando, thanks for your services for at least another year' rather than trying to fathom his reason for staying?

I couldnt give a fuk if its Purslow, Roy, Rafa's exit or the prospect of sticking it to whiskey nose again that's convinced him, he'll be in a red shirt next season and thats what counts

You're right Greavsie in the sense that it doesn't really matter why he stayed. On the other hand, to me it just seems ridiculous to try and pretend that the manager had absolutely no bearing on his decision. By all means they can slag the manager off, they can say he's sh!t, they can take the p!ss out of the way he speaks etc etc, but surely there must be an element of fairness about the way we debate his tenure.

If Torres is borderline to feck off and then decides to stay after having spoken to the manager amongst others, then surely it is fair to assume that he thinks Roy is OK and up to the job? Similarly, Cole wouldn't sign for a manager he didn't like/believe in, and neither would Gerrard.

Some people are positively besides themselves waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. It's so sad to see.

agreed Mick, no doubt Roy played a part in convincing him and I wouldn't deny that for a second

We can also list at least 10 issues that would have concerned Torres as well but what we can't do is know which ones are the most important in his decision to stay

I for one am excited about the refreshing apprach that has been adopted and I can't wait for the season to start.
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Postby bigmick » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:10 pm

bavlondon wrote: I'm just saying I don't think Roy had fk all to do with Torres deciding to stay . Hope that cleared things up for you.

Bav it couldn't be clearer mate, thanks for spelling it out so well and making your real feelings so obvious.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:12 pm

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bigmick wrote:Some people are positively besides themselves waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. It's so sad to see.

No one is putting the boot in. It was just an observation which you perceived to be a dig. And quite ironic your comment about waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. Last season you were a disgrace!  :laugh:

Bav, putting the boot in after a manager has been here for 5 years in one thing...putting the boot before a guy has even started is quite another.

One poster on here (i wont mention his name) said "if Hodgson comes in that will be it for me. I'll stop supporting LFC"

Now, after all the bile, it turns out those people were spouting sh!te based on nothing.
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Postby bigmick » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:15 pm

bavlondon wrote:And quite ironic your comment about waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. Last season you were a disgrace!  :laugh:

Ah the old "you are a disgrace" angle, transposed into past tense. A "disgrace" because I didn't agree with the Lucas/Masherano axis and was prepared to say so. A "disgrace" because I don't think David N'Gog is good enough and was prepared to say so, and a "disgrace" because I said playing two holding midfielders at Home to Wigan was a tad overly defensive.


I was a "disgrace" hundreds of times on here last season according to yourself and some of your cohorts Bav. Infact, i was a disgrace on my good days, on my many bad days I was far worse than that.

I did though stick to the football, which is what we're all here to talk about at the end of the day.
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Postby tubby » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:15 pm

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bigmick wrote:Some people are positively besides themselves waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. It's so sad to see.

No one is putting the boot in. It was just an observation which you perceived to be a dig. And quite ironic your comment about waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. Last season you were a disgrace!  :laugh:

Bav, putting the boot in after a manager has been here for 5 years in one thing...putting the boot before a guy has even started is quite another.

One poster on here (i wont mention his name) said "if Hodgson comes in that will be it for me. I'll stop supporting LFC"

Now, after all the bile, it turns out those people were spouting sh!te based on nothing.

I don't know who made that last comment but for the 2nd time I am not putting the boot in. It's just my opinion other factors were weighing more heavily rather than the managers feelings.

Im made up he is staying. If we are sold by year end we could even get in a few top players in the Jan window. And I want nothing more than for Torres to see out his best days here.
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Postby Greavesie » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:17 pm

i know who made it :;):
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Postby tubby » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:18 pm

bigmick wrote:I did though stick to the football

:laugh:

Sorry had to have 1 last laugh on that bit. Ok it's out of my system now.
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Postby bigmick » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:23 pm

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bigmick wrote:I did though stick to the football

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Sorry had to have 1 last laugh on that bit. Ok it's out of my system now.

Be careful on getting last laughs in Bav. I've a feeling we are far from the last laugh yet mate, and when it comes I've a feeling it won't be you having it :laugh:.


Like I say though, I always stuck to the football. When you and your cohorts had no sensible answer to the various points raised, that's when the "your a disgrace" comments came in. In many respects, nothings changed.
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Postby tubby » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:25 pm

Yeah some people never change mate. :;):
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Postby rocky29 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:25 pm

i think maybe ulot are getting ahead of yourselves. Great nando stopping with us. But basically its the same squad plus joe cole so now we havent got funds for top strikers. Plus nandos injury concern are not known. I feel its vital we get 2 more strikers else i dont think were gona last the full season.
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Postby tubby » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:26 pm

rocky29 wrote:i think maybe ulot are getting ahead of yourselves. Great nando stopping with us. But basically its the same squad plus joe cole so now we havent got funds for top strikers. Plus nandos injury concern are not known. I feel its vital we get 2 more strikers else i dont think were gona last the full season.

Exactly! We still have a long way to go if we want to get back in the top 4. The fact that Torres is staying makes it easier but there is still a lot of work to do.
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:41 pm

bavlondon wrote:
bigmick wrote:Some people are positively besides themselves waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in. It's so sad to see.

No one is putting the boot in. It was just an observation which you perceived to be a dig. And quite ironic your comment about waiting on the sidelines to put the boot in.

Agreed. Calling the manager a "sheister", comparing him with the owners and generally attacking his integrity had nothing to do with tactics, team selection or rotation.
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Postby bigmick » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:52 pm

LFC2007 wrote:Agreed. Calling the manager a "sheister", comparing him with the owners and generally attacking his integrity had nothing to do with tactics, team selection or rotation.

That's the second or third time you've used that phrase mate. I reckon you must have the quote stored up somewhere so you might as well spill the beans. I don't recall ever calling the ex manager a "sheister" but no doubt you'll prove me wrong.

I said many times that Rafa and the money men needed each other in equal amounts. The idea was that the money men didn't want to spend any more money so therefore if they kept Rafa in situ it would keep the fans at bay. From Rafa's point of view, he needed the money men because the fact they didn't give him stacks of money gave him a ready made excuse every season not to win anything, and also of course 80K a week or whatever the feck it was.

As it turned out, he needed them more than they needed him, hence he got the sack. Saying they "needed" each other though isn't the same as questioning his integrity in my book.


Anyway over to you for the quote, I suspect you've had it sitting there for a while so lets get it out there.
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