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[dawson99]

Some being spouted on here as usual . Re-writers of history out in force i see .  You couldn't make it up . For six season's we were a mid table side . Did absolutley feck all , not a thing , mid table mediocrity . How on gods earth did the waiter last so long .

Inter forum is thataway mate...

no ones saying that, we're saying Rafa had to go, he had long enough and didnt do enough.

[Thommo's perm]

Some being spouted on here as usual . Re-writers of history out in force i see .  You couldn't make it up . For six season's we were a mid table side . Did absolutley feck all , not a thing , mid table mediocrity . How on gods earth did the waiter last so long .

Inter forum is thataway mate...

no ones saying that, we're saying Rafa had to go, he had long enough and didnt do enough.

I thought he did more than enough...

[Igor Zidane]

Some being spouted on here as usual . Re-writers of history out in force i see .  You couldn't make it up . For six season's we were a mid table side . Did absolutley feck all , not a thing , mid table mediocrity . How on gods earth did the waiter last so long .

Inter forum is thataway mate...

no ones saying that, we're saying Rafa had to go, he had long enough and didnt do enough.

Really , you wouldn't have thought that reading the last few pages . What the feck has Rafa got to do with us being in the relegation zone . Is he some sort of magician that influences a team from another country . Call a spade a spade ffs . You are more thatn happy to call people rafapologists when your doing exactly the same . Take it on the chin ffs and stop making excuses. WE ARE SH1T , WE WERE SH1T LAST YEAR and finished 7th . WE ARE EVEN SH1TTER THIS YEAR and in the relegation zone ffs . Don't pick and choose your arguements to suite , if it was good enough for the last manger it's good enough for this one and the next and the next . The standard has been set , tough if noone can live with it . It's there and that's how managers are going to be judged from now on .

[Ben Patrick]

Some being spouted on here as usual . Re-writers of history out in force i see .  You couldn't make it up . For six season's we were a mid table side . Did absolutley feck all , not a thing , mid table mediocrity . How on gods earth did the waiter last so long .

Inter forum is thataway mate...

no ones saying that, we're saying Rafa had to go, he had long enough and didnt do enough.

Really , you wouldn't have thought that reading the last few pages . What the feck has Rafa got to do with us being in the relegation zone . Is he some sort of magician that influences a team from another country . Call a spade a spade ffs . You are more thatn happy to call people rafapologists when your doing exactly the same . Take it on the chin ffs and stop making excuses. WE ARE SH1T , WE WERE SH1T LAST YEAR and finished 7th . WE ARE EVEN SH1TTER THIS YEAR and in the relegation zone ffs . Don't pick and choose your arguements to suite , if it was good enough for the last manger it's good enough for this one and the next and the next . The standard has been set , tough if noone can live with it . It's there and that's how managers are going to be judged from now on .

am not sure who you are referring to here Igor ?
Dawson ?

i have been critical of rafa in this thread but i havent blamed him for where we are in the league right now.
I do think he has left a poor squad behind though without doubt.
This thread is about whether we were right to change the manager and i cant see how we were not.

[LFC2007]

It would be decent if for a change people had the humility to admit that their predictions about the new manager have so far proven to be completely wrong. It was said that no manager could do any worse than the previous one, and that the new one would quite comfortably get more from the resources available - even more so, having strengthened the midfield and signed a revelation of a left back. Four wins or whatever in the Europa Copa Cup and a historic win against trabzonspor doesn't change the fact that we've had our worst start to a league season in over half a century and were given a footballing lesson by a team of (formidable) plumbers.

[LFC2007]

I having nothing against plumbers, FWIW.

[dawson99]

but thats not for this thread dude, this thread is if it was right to sack Rafa

[LFC2007]

Clearly, but you're not telling me that the start we've had hasn't given you pause for thought? It was the safest assumption in football that the new guy would get more from the team than last one.

[dawson99]

Clearly, but you're not telling me that the start we've had hasn't given you pause for thought? It was the safest assumption in football that the new guy would get more from the team than last one.

no pause of thought at all. Getting rid of Rafa was 110% the right decision.. of course the nwe guy is the thing thats mixing everything up... but Rafa  had to go. I'm sticking by that.

[LFC2007]

Clearly, but you're not telling me that the start we've had hasn't given you pause for thought? It was the safest assumption in football that the new guy would get more from the team than last one.

no pause of thought at all. Getting rid of Rafa was 110% the right decision.. of course the nwe guy is the thing thats mixing everything up... but Rafa  had to go. I'm sticking by that.

Yes, I "stick by" that as well, but I'm not "110%" certain, since, having seen such a safe assumption apparently be blown to smithereens, I'm less sure about what would have happened if Rafa had stayed (and, as looks likely, we get new owners), AND what might have happened if another manager, other than Roy, had come in.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Its akin with attempting to argue the premierships equivalent to  Eddy the Eagle was  better on skis than Franz klammer
case closed for all you budding lawyers ...there are obviously some cases that are simply not winnable 
but keep trying its like someone trying to ride a bike with square wheels uphill ,they no its simply infeasible but they keep jumping on that bike and trying

Its more like having Pete Kay (who most people like but isnt really that good) then getting Kevin Bridges (Good, but only in Glasgow, so doesnt really count, but hes around a while)

Truth is, neither of them are Chris Rock or Bill Hicks

You might miss Pete KAy, but thats only because you havent heard a decent comedian for ages

Bill Hicks ....the funniest man that ever walked the planet
Chris Rock ...Richard Pryor done it with more class and infinitely more funnier another absolute legend .... but Chris Rock Daws ?

[dawson99]

I prefer Chris Rock to Pryor, it's an age thing maybe. Chris rock nigga vs black was just awesome... and his stuff is more current. Pryor was just alittle scary for my liking

[Igor Zidane]

Clearly, but you're not telling me that the start we've had hasn't given you pause for thought? It was the safest assumption in football that the new guy would get more from the team than last one.

no pause of thought at all. Getting rid of Rafa was 110% the right decision.. of course the nwe guy is the thing thats mixing everything up... but Rafa  had to go. I'm sticking by that.

Getting rid of rafa would have been 110% right if we would have got a better manager in and that he would have gottten  the team playing better  ,that's a given . We didn't and we were not , that's why it was a ludicrous decision . Roy hodgeson's record screamed average manager before he was appointed , and now the team a playing below average and we still have and average manager at the helm . THAT IS WHY IT WAS WRONG TO DISMISS RAFA . WE havent gone forwards ,or even tredded water .We have gone backwards . Roy was appointed to steady the ship and to regalvanise the dressing room , he's failed on both accounts , that's two more reason's why we were wrong to sack rafa.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I prefer Chris Rock to Pryor, it's an age thing maybe. Chris rock nigga vs black was just awesome... and his stuff is more current. Pryor was just alittle scary for my liking

Pryor was an original mate ...they usually are scary because it hasn't been seen before ...... Bill Hicks was a genius in every sense of the word ...the man could have been one of the greatest  statesmen the world has seen if he had chosen that path , because people just instantly listened,but he chose comedy mate
Genius is genius  regardless of where its applied
I think we should Hijack this thread and turn it into a Bill Hicks appreciation society ,,,lets face it there would be more sense talked .....

[maypaxvobiscum]

Clearly, but you're not telling me that the start we've had hasn't given you pause for thought? It was the safest assumption in football that the new guy would get more from the team than last one.

no pause of thought at all. Getting rid of Rafa was 110% the right decision.. of course the nwe guy is the thing thats mixing everything up... but Rafa  had to go. I'm sticking by that.

Getting rid of rafa would have been 110% right if we would have got a better manager in and that he would have gottten  the team playing better  ,that's a given . We didn't and we were not , that's why it was a ludicrous decision . Roy hodgeson's record screamed average manager before he was appointed , and now the team a playing below average and we still have and average manager at the helm . THAT IS WHY IT WAS WRONG TO DISMISS RAFA . WE havent gone forwards ,or even tredded water .We have gone backwards . Roy was appointed to steady the ship and to regalvanise the dressing room , he's failed on both accounts , that's two more reason's why we were wrong to sack rafa.

sorry Igor but Rafa is the last person who should be handed the task of re-galvanizing a dressing room.

and also, it was wrong to appoint a manager who had no top managerial experience but that doesnt make sacking Rafa a mistake as a change was needed either way. it's just that those who wanted him out was hoping for a change for the better as we could never foresee how bad this season would've started.

but still, with new ownership looming and a potentially decent transfer kitty, i will hope for Roy to turn things around.