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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:19 pm

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Benny The Noon wrote:I got an idea for you - stop bringing up Rafa - he is no longer manager now - that excuse has sailed now - its all up to our current manager Hodgson . Its Hodgson team now and its his tactics and his formations so its all up to him - no more rafa talk - can you manage that

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What is it you enjoy about being negative? What pleasure do you get from being miserable? Is positive thinking so obscene to you that you fight it with all your might in order to wallow in your woes?
Just curious...

Ill be positive when i see things to be positive about . Currently the team i have been supporting for 30 years are playing utter sh.it so you will excuse me if im not happy as hell .
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Postby shabelle50 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:24 pm

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Benny The Noon wrote:I got an idea for you - stop bringing up Rafa - he is no longer manager now - that excuse has sailed now - its all up to our current manager Hodgson . Its Hodgson team now and its his tactics and his formations so its all up to him - no more rafa talk - can you manage that

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What is it you enjoy about being negative? What pleasure do you get from being miserable? Is positive thinking so obscene to you that you fight it with all your might in order to wallow in your woes?
Just curious...

It is partly to do with the disaster that Benitez left at the end of last season at the close of his six years in charge but at the moment the questions do have to be asked of Hodgson?

Why wasn't Meireles picked? Is Jovanovic that good on the left? Why is Lucas still at the club let alone in the team? What is the point of issuing ultimatums to Babel about doing this or that by January and then leaving him on the bench for 90 minutes?

Hodgson doesn't convince me I'm afraid. He was good at Fulham with two banks of four tactics but while that might work for a mid-table club it won't work at LFC. When Cole returns and Meireles starts games things need to get better because at this rate LFC will struggle to qualify for the Europa next year let alone the CL.
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Postby rocky29 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:27 pm

hes done rubbish hes strengthened in the wrong areas. we have no attacking options for fecksake we have babbel who carnt cross a ball. Maxi hasnt got a clue. and no fecking strikers. and all ulot go an about is fecking meireles what a joke.
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Postby woof woof ! » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:29 pm

bigmick wrote:I know it's early and all that...but I was just wondering if anyone could see much difference

Just to respond to the bones of the question that started the thread.

NO I can't see much difference.


The new manager may be a bit more media friendly but as far as tactics and team set up are concerned it looks like he's still reading from notes the previous manager left behind.

Early days indeed but given we fans would have accepted almost any tactic that hinted at us at least "giving it a go" the new managers failure to change our pattern or performance is to say the least "disappointing". It certainly doesn't bode well for the future. Following his appointment I was reasonably confident that Hodgeson could get us back into the top 4 but judging by the performances so far I think we'll be lucky if he manages to guide us to a place any higher than the one we finished in last season.

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Postby shabelle50 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:34 pm

rocky29 wrote:hes done rubbish hes strengthened in the wrong areas. we have no attacking options for fecksake we have babbel who carnt cross a ball. Maxi hasnt got a clue. and no fecking strikers. and all ulot go an about is fecking meireles what a joke.

When a manager signs a Portugese midfielder for £10.75 million we're entitled to ask why he wasn't picked?

As for Babel and Maxi yes they don't cross they're poor. Maybe if they had some quality in the midfield to supply them and link up properly rather than the likes of Lucas they might at least see the ball a bit more.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:36 pm

Hopefully things will change when Cole is back , Torres is playing better and Merieles is in the team - thats a lot of extra quality

                                           Pepe

Johnson               Carra                    Agger                 Konchesky

                          Gerrard                  Merieles

           Kuyt                        Cole                   Jovanovic

                                       Torres

Thats a line up i believe has enough quality if set up right to get us back into the top 4
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Postby Bretc » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:49 pm

From what I've seen so far, Roy's tactic is too cautious and predictable for my liking. Why play 2 defensive midfielders when neither of them has any creativity? Why are we still relying on the ancient Torres-Gerrard tactic? We signed a decent Portuguese attacking midfielder who is fit to play but was sitting idly on the bench for 75 min while the likes of Lucas and Poulsen were looking lost trying to find Gerrard and Torres.

Roy should start to impose himself more on the team. Granted, he is still new and Cole is unavailable but he should be more daring with his tactic. He must remember this is Liverpool, not Fulham! Time to eradicate his mid-table mentality and start to think like a champion! FFS Wake up Roy! Have some balls!
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Postby rocky29 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:52 pm

i just wona see an attacking lineup and some fast flowing attacking football for fecksake is that to much to ask!  :angry:
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Postby Number 9 » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:01 pm

People having a go at people having a go at the manager? :D

Personally I dont see any need to panic,but I do feel we have the right to say what we see.He has been too negative,the team are too disciplined(more so than under Rafa IMO) I dont need to prove this because the stats at the end of games tell the truth,our shots on target are way below last season!Also he fails to change things in games when we are not playing well.A blind man on a galloping horse could have seen yesterday we were never gonna score,he should have changed it early in the game....no excuses it should have been done!

Its way too early to make a decision on him though,he has took on a huge job and is still finding his feet.It'll take time though...still more adventure needed from the boss,if he keeps playing the way he has he may never properly endear himself to the fans,we have had a hard time lately and we wanna see good football and a team giving 100% to win!

My biggest dissapointment?When we got a new manager I expected to see a happy team wanting to play football,enjoying it,rejuvenated....a new start and all that.Well so far its been miles off good enough.We are playing the exact same way as last season only we carry less of a goal threat!

Good luck to roy,I like the man....people should lay off a bit and stop going OTT and panicking!
Lets see how we are come May!
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Postby stmichael » Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:55 am

There are several problems as far as I can see. First of all we defend far too deep but unfortunately that's one of the nagatives of having Carragher in the side. We really need Agger back at centre half as soon as possible ahead of Skrtel as Skrtel is still a liability in terms of his decision making and his tendency to give daft free kicks away in and around the penalty area. We also look woefully vulnerable defending crosses and set pieces again, despite ditching the zonal marking. Johnson is woefully out of form aswell, especially when you compare it to to how he started last season. Positionally he was woeful on Sunday and his tendency to switch off was really alarming. People have questioned the option to push him up to right midfield and play Kelly at right back but personally I don't see anything wrong with this. He can't be any less effectual than Maxi was at the weekend.


We still seriously lack width as we have nobody who can play wide in a 4-4-2. We also lack anybody who can beat a man. Poulsen and Lucas is just a no-no in the centre. Mereiles should be first choice in there from now on. The Gerrard conundrum is still up for debate. We either play him off Torres where he can effect the game but will struggle to get supply or we play him alongside Mereiles in the centre where he can have a lot of the ball but will struggle to relly impact on the game in the final third. Whatever you think about his best position, we need him to be making and scoring goals because apart from Torres, I don't see a lot of goals in the side, especaially with Dirk being out injured.

Oh and just another thing. Hodgson will hopefully learn to make changes earlier unlike Rafa. I was tearing my hair out on Sunday that we didn't make changes earlier, especially we several of our players being so inneffectual. It almsot beggars belief that Ngog and Babel couldn't even get on the pitch.
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Postby Ben Patrick » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:06 pm

Like Woof said so far i dont really see any difference.
It is as if he has come in and picked the same players Rafa would have and employed the same tactics.
Poulsen and Lucas as a midfield two will offer nothing and they were dominated Sunday.
That meant that Gerrard hardly had a kick.
The substitutions should have been earlier and more adventurous.
He is obviously happy with a point there and i think Rafa would have been as well.
I know that united wouldnt though, they would go there with the aim of winning.
Unless we change our mentality we will never win at places like that.
Sabre looks like a big lezzer
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Postby The Raven » Tue Sep 14, 2010 12:30 pm

God.

He was missing 2 starters, and one had just signed. So out of the 4 mid players only one would get into our fully fit team.

I will wait to judge once he can put out our strongest team. Which i think is the team noon posted
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Postby stmichael » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:15 pm

looked better today after going 4-4-2. next two games are sunderland and blackpool at home. play torres and ngog upfront together and lets go for it.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:16 pm

Well at the moment there is zero progress and more digressing going on .
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Postby Emerald Red » Sun Sep 19, 2010 4:23 pm

How's it evolving? It ain't.
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