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[RED BEERGOGGLES]

The way we are operating is how most clubs do their business where by a manager provides a list of targets and then the chairman/managing director attempts to bring those people in. Benitez did not like this way of doing things so was always at odds with his managers but Hodgson appears to have no problem with it. Im sure both Purslow and Hodgson have agreed to go about things this way and it ensures both roles are clear cut and defined rather than crossing over. Its how we always worked to be honest, even way back in the day with John Smith and Peter Robinson working in tandem on recruitment for Paisley and that so theres no problem.

If you seriously consider Purslow and Broughton worthy of mentioning in the same breath as John Smith and Peter Robinson there really is no point   

[Thommo's perm]

The way we are operating is how most clubs do their business where by a manager provides a list of targets and then the chairman/managing director attempts to bring those people in. Benitez did not like this way of doing things so was always at odds with his managers but Hodgson appears to have no problem with it. Im sure both Purslow and Hodgson have agreed to go about things this way and it ensures both roles are clear cut and defined rather than crossing over. Its how we always worked to be honest, even way back in the day with John Smith and Peter Robinson working in tandem on recruitment for Paisley and that so theres no problem.

We are not arguing that though . WHAT WE ARE SAYING .Is that purslow has his own list of players to buy and sell and Roy has no input in this . Take alook at the quotes from Roy . What is worrying us is that purslow is going ahead with it with or wthout Roy's consent . This is wrong , yes.

With respect, what would you like us to do?

[Ben Patrick]

The way we are operating is how most clubs do their business where by a manager provides a list of targets and then the chairman/managing director attempts to bring those people in. Benitez did not like this way of doing things so was always at odds with his managers but Hodgson appears to have no problem with it. Im sure both Purslow and Hodgson have agreed to go about things this way and it ensures both roles are clear cut and defined rather than crossing over. Its how we always worked to be honest, even way back in the day with John Smith and Peter Robinson working in tandem on recruitment for Paisley and that so theres no problem.

We are not arguing that though . WHAT WE ARE SAYING .Is that purslow has his own list of players to buy and sell and Roy has no input in this . Take alook at the quotes from Roy . What is worrying us is that purslow is going ahead with it with or wthout Roy's consent . This is wrong , yes.

igor come on you dont know this at all.

You have taken a comment that Roy has made and assumed.
A far more sensible interpretation of what he meant has already been posted by ace and LFC2007.

Lets take a step back, you and many others say we havent got a pot to p!ss in and are being bled dry...but by the same token Purslow is going to start signing players that the manager doesnt want ?

With what money is this exactly ?

[lakes10]

So Purslow is doing the selling and buying of players - he is a banker FFS - brought in to find investment for the club and he is now dealing with transfers - WTF does he know about football ?!

dont work like that in football mate.

the manager give a list in of players he would like at the club and a list of players that he would like to see leave the club.

the club then starts work on the lists and see what they can do.

all clubs work the same.

The manager in never in the talks with players unless your name is alex.

[parchpea]

Our approach to all this is perfectly normal and all I am saying is we worked this way when the old guard Smith and Robinson where in charge. The trouble is people trusted those guys but dont trust Purslow but I would sooner wait and see what develops, who stays and goes, and judge the fella then. Bottom line is there are people who simply have absolutely no faith in anyone behind the scenes at the football club so much so that even when it looks like something good may happen theres always a hidden agenda or a consipracy theory.Time will tell if their concerns are right or wrong.

[nobybob]

So Purslow is doing the selling and buying of players - he is a banker FFS - brought in to find investment for the club and he is now dealing with transfers - WTF does he know about football ?!

dont work like that in football mate.

the manager give a list in of players he would like at the club and a list of players that he would like to see leave the club.

the club then starts work on the lists and see what they can do.

all clubs work the same.

The manager in never in the talks with players unless your name is alex.

So when roy talks about how much he likes insua and wants to work with him, and a week later he is sold you seriously think that purslow is just doing what roy wants hahahahaha please . G & H are interested only in the money not the welfare of the club i think we can all agree with that therefore why spend millions to get rid of Rafa and bring Roy in ? simple cos Rafa would not stand by and let these parasites sell our players. Roy on the other hand will , i have nothing against roy except the fact that G & H wanted him in that to me means they feel he will be a yes man who will allow them to do as they wish unaposed and so far nothing he has said or done has made me think G & H were wrong.

[bigmick]

How is Roy is a yes man He's made it perfectly clear where he stands on all issues, he said he hadn't seen the French lad play, he's said "ask Purslow" when asked about Cole, there's a story this morning that he's given Torres and Gerrard two weeks to make their minds up. Once again everyone is entitled to their opinion on him, but I can't help thinking that some of the stuff being thrown at him is grossly unfair.

Some of the things thrown at Roy so far:

1. "He's a yes man, a stooge, who will stand idly by while our best players are sold around him". This is both inaccurate and silly based on what we've seen. If Gerrard wants to play for Real Madrid, there's little or nothing Roy can do about it. Ditto Torres and Barca/Chelsea. People often throw into the equation that "our previous manager wouldn't have allowed it", conveniently forgetting that he singularly failed to prevent Alonso leaving against his own wishes. Not his fault that he couldn't/didn't stop it, when a player is as p!ssed off as Alonso was, there is nothing you can do to stop him leaving.

2. If the team does improve and does much better than last season, it's nothing to do with Roy because we would have improved anyway. Presumeably then if we get relegated, it isn't Roy's fault either

3. He is tactically inept. Anybody who takes five minutes to study his career cannot possibly conclude this is anything other than utter nonsense.

4. He has never won anything significant, or achieved anything in World football. See above comment.

5. He takes his holidays in Llandudno. On this one I don't know what to say really.

6. He has a speech impediment. He does, but like the above comment I'm not sure how important it is.

7. He is a sh!t manager.



When you consider how annoyed people got if you criticised changing the team 75 times in 15 matches, it makes you wonder what they'd have done if the previous manager had got anything like the same criticism.

[Thommo's perm]

If being a "yes man" means that he doesnt get embroiled in the club politics, doesnt spout sh'ite or try to play mind games (and lose) with other managers and the media, doesnt buy sh'ite players or insist on unworkable formations, doesnt drag us down with his arrogance, ignrance and stubborness, doesnt show contempt for the PL or the FA cup and explains and justifies his decisions without being a smart ar'se then Im all for it.

[LFC2007]

So when roy talks about how much he likes insua and wants to work with him, and a week later he is sold you seriously think that purslow is just doing what roy wants hahahahaha please . G & H are interested only in the money not the welfare of the club i think we can all agree with that therefore why spend millions to get rid of Rafa and bring Roy in ? simple cos Rafa would not stand by and let these parasites sell our players. Roy on the other hand will , i have nothing against roy except the fact that G & H wanted him in that to me means they feel he will be a yes man who will allow them to do as they wish unaposed and so far nothing he has said or done has made me think G & H were wrong.

So we should anticipate the sale of all of our best players to pay down the debt. We should anticipate that we won't be signing any player worth any serious value, including Joe Cole because of his wages and Figueora because of the fee; and we should definitely expect to see James Beattie, Paul Scharner and Jason Koumas in our starting lineup next season.

Let's not talk b'*ll*c*ks. Roy had to say something about Insua because he was asked about him. He couldn't have said "he was sh!t, I'd bite your hand off for £5m" or any words remotely to that effect, because it potentially scuppers the deal and leaves you with an unhappy player. He took the sensible option. He likes the player but "unfortunately" talks were already under way before he arrived. That way you don't offend anyone and you don't overdo on the praise and make it seem like you're deeply upset if he leaves.

[nobybob]

If being a "yes man" means that he doesnt get embroiled in the club politics, doesnt spout sh'ite or try to play mind games (and lose) with other managers and the media, doesnt buy sh'ite players or insist on unworkable formations, doesnt drag us down with his arrogance, ignrance and stubborness, doesnt show contempt for the PL or the FA cup and explains and justifies his decisions without being a smart ar'se then Im all for it.

To be a real  manager of this club you need to love the club, and if you are someone who can stand by and watch the owners run us into the ground and say nothing (not get embroiled in club politics ) then i dont want to know. You talk of buying players , do you mean like "i asked for a table and they gave me a lamp " or rafa saying i wanted the great players but they only gave me the average joe. well i for one will not blame roy for any bad players bought cos they either wont be his players they will be purslows or they will what roy could afford with what purslow gave him from players sales. And Big Mick i actually agree with all of your points except the first one , cos as i say i have nothing against roy except that G&H want him here WHY?

[Maickito]

This forum is f-----u----cking ridiculous . I'm off to join some other one because frankly Benny the Noon and his cohort talk utter . They've no idea what is actually going on in the club but to continue to post negative c---rap as if its gospel.

Adios....Plenty of nice interesting posters in here like Big Mick and Lakes but too many Benny's the goons around

[bigmick]

Cheers mate, the fivers in the post

[lakes10]

So Purslow is doing the selling and buying of players - he is a banker FFS - brought in to find investment for the club and he is now dealing with transfers - WTF does he know about football ?!

dont work like that in football mate.

the manager give a list in of players he would like at the club and a list of players that he would like to see leave the club.

the club then starts work on the lists and see what they can do.

all clubs work the same.

The manager in never in the talks with players unless your name is alex.

So when roy talks about how much he likes insua and wants to work with him, and a week later he is sold you seriously think that purslow is just doing what roy wants hahahahaha please . G & H are interested only in the money not the welfare of the club i think we can all agree with that therefore why spend millions to get rid of Rafa and bring Roy in ? simple cos Rafa would not stand by and let these parasites sell our players. Roy on the other hand will , i have nothing against roy except the fact that G & H wanted him in that to me means they feel he will be a yes man who will allow them to do as they wish unaposed and so far nothing he has said or done has made me think G & H were wrong.

er he said that before he looked at the kid himself.......he was only going by what he had been told, there is a very real chance that he looked at him and said the same thing as many of us fans have said over the year. "he dont cut it here"

[Penguins]

What's worrysome is the structure that seems to be in place at the club.

Roy seems more like a Head coach and less like a manager, the way they have it in the states.

Right now the conversations are:

Purslow: 'Roy, there's a player we think should replace Insua as left back'
Hodgson: 'Ok, I'd like to see footage of him and get some scouting reports done to see what he's like'
Purslow: 'Unfortunately the deal is already in place so you can't do anything about it'
Hodgson: 'Ok, I'll just coach whatever squad I have anyway'

Purslow: 'Roy, I talked to Torres for 1 hour about the situation at the club and even though you told him you wanted him to stay, me and Torres found it best for him to leave.
I will find a replacement for him.'
Hodgson:  'Ok, I'll just coach whatever squad I have anyway'


In other words Roy is doing exactly what the owners told Rafa 2 years ago. Focus on training and coaching the team, nothing else.
That is just pathetic management where players are bought and sold over the managers head, where has to do the best of the situation.

[bigmick]

"At the moment the conversations are...." I swear you couldn't make it up.