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[Sabre]

He's said in the past on several occasions that he wants to be here for 10-15 years as he loves the place. Whether thats true or not is another story, but Rafa doesn't seem the type to walk away from a work in progress.

This are the facts. And we all know Madrid is interested, but Madrid have several names in their agenda. When Marca tried to do the typical wind up and pressure 2 weeks ago, THEY DID NOT SNATCH A SINGLE QUOTE From Rafa, concerning leaving Liverpool BEFORE his contract, all he said is that he had contract until 2008.

There is smoke, so there is fire?. Yes indeed. The Fire is that the fecking english press is concerned with Rafa's evolution in Liverpool, and the smoke is this punny attempt to seed doubts among us.

Does really Madrid give more prestige to a coach than Liverpool? I don't think so. It doesn't seem to me Vicente del Bosque got much credit in Madrid, and only managed to go to Besiktas. For what is worth, Benitez is in a top club, and to go to Madrid he'll put many conditions, for instance, counting with Paco and Otxoto, putting his own conditions, and that's the problem in Madrid.

It won't happen, mates. At least, not next season.

[Igor Zidane]

Bascombe  said this and more in this weekend's footy Echo.

There is smoke because there is fire.

I think Benitez is unsettled because he may have been promised bigger funds when he first arrived as maybe Parry etc thought there would be a large investor in the wings. So far- nothing.

I think he's also unsettled because - whatever he says - the Madrid job is something he wants. His Mother was the big Madrid fan in the house and his father has not long passed away.

If he see's no real funding coming from Liverpool's board and see's the door open at Madrid he may well go.


Especially as one of his coaches is going back to Spain anyway at the end of this season.

Worst case scenario - no funds here - he goes.

Best scenario - We get the investment we need - he stays.

We may be left with some rubbish middle ground. We manage to get some funds and he decides to stay but is unhappy.

Personally, if he goes after just two seasons, Istanbul notwithstanding, then he is not the person I think he is and it would be a huge betrayal.

Got to disagree with yer there lynds it's the job he always wanted , it's his dream job, it would be excactly the same if say we went for Paul Jewel, it's his dream job lynds and you can't take that away from him. Personally i don't think he'll go ,because the job here isn't done ,but i wouldn't hold it against him, although i'd be gutted if he did go.

I didnt write it Igor its from Chris Bascombes article in last nights echo.

I know lynds i thought you wrote the bit about huge betrayal.
Apologies petal if i got it wrong.  

[Lando_Griffin]

So which coach is going back to Spain in the summer?

[Garymac]

Paco Herrera i think, hes manager of the reserves isnt he and coach for the 1st team if im correct.......which its quite likely that im not 

[Lando_Griffin]

Paco Herrera i think, hes manager of the reserves isnt he and coach for the 1st team if im correct.......which its quite likely that im not 

Bugger.

He's a good coach, and the reserves' success is proof of that.


Thank God it's not Paco Ayesteran though!!!!! 

[Garymac]

Lando i watched the youth cup game the other night and some of the kids we have got looked fantastic, a lad i mentioned a while ago, Adam Hammill, stood head and sholders above every one on the pitch, a gifted player if ever ive saw one, there is Cahrlie Barnett who looks a good solid center mid with a goood shot, the back was Jack Hobbs and Godwin Antwi, the latter looking like a very good center half and the left back (cant remember who it was) had a very good game.

Also there was a lad who was 15 playing right wing who looked a tricky little bugger, and Craig lingfield upfront bagged a hat trick and looked a great little poacher.

As for Paul Anderson, well he is the future of Liverpool, right wing will be his in a few years 

Ive also had a tenner bet with me mate Hammill plays for the full team this season, thats how sure i am that this lad will make it 

[Lando_Griffin]

Lando i watched the youth cup game the other night and some of the kids we have got looked fantastic, a lad i mentioned a while ago, Adam Hammill, stood head and sholders above every one on the pitch, a gifted player if ever ive saw one, there is Cahrlie Barnett who looks a good solid center mid with a goood shot, the back was Jack Hobbs and Godwin Antwi, the latter looking like a very good center half and the left back (cant remember who it was) had a very good game.

Also there was a lad who was 15 playing right wing who looked a tricky little bugger, and Craig lingfield upfront bagged a hat trick and looked a great little poacher.

As for Paul Anderson, well he is the future of Liverpool, right wing will be his in a few years 

Ive also had a tenner bet with me mate Hammill plays for the full team this season, thats how sure i am that this lad will make it 

I think you'll lose the £10, TBH.

He hasn't got a squad number. I'm sure he must have a number registered in the window to play?

[Sabre]

Excuse me mates,but here in Spain coaches only end up his relationship with a club in 2 different ways, sacked (the most usual one) or ending his contract (not that usual). Does anybody know how much money would have to pay Rafa because of breaking his contract?

I really don't see that happening.

[Garymac]

Hes training full time with the 1st team now so he must have been given one then, The manager of the youth team said that Rafa had been trying to get Hammill to train with the 1st team since the start of the season but he kept telling rafa he wasnt ready yet, and he was better off staying at the academy for a little longer.

To be honest i had the bet as a spare of the moment thing because me mate knows Hammill and doesnt like him personally, so i had it to wind him up 

And hes a forgetful cu*t so come May he may have forgot!!

Sabre, Paco wants to return home for family reasons, his intention was always to return to Spain at the end of this season, hes family never moved here with him.

[metalhead]

Put yourself in Rafas shoes, if i managed a great team somewhere and was having a great time but Liverpool came calling for me, do you think id stay at this club?? Id be off in a flash to Liverpool.

There is probably only 1 job Rafa would ever leave us for, and thats Real Madrid, if he turned Madrid down just to keep us happy do you think its going to be good for us in all honesty.

Yes he would still be here but he would probably think he has betrayed himself of the chance of managing the club he has always loved and you would know that maybe his heart wasnt quite in the right place.

If Madrid do come calling i dont think its fair of us to judge Rafa or say he has betrayed us as the decision he makes is going to be so hard for him anyway with out the supporters who love him putting more pressure on him.

Youve got to ask yourself do you want a manager thats happy or one that isnt.

In my opinion i think some of you should take a look at the kind of postion Rafa could find himself in and take a look at yourselfs before judging him because it is going to be one of the hardest decisions he is ever likely to make.

And Metalhead, he will get the players he wants, Perez has left!!

If he does go its not betrayal, hes just following his heart, you telling me none of you have ever done that before??

i agree that we shouldn't get angry at benitez, but i think Real Madrid's policy stays the same, even if there is a new president in charge, the sporting director of Real Madrid does the buying not the coach! so i think Benitez does not have the choice to buy players.

[The_Rock]

Bascombe  said this and more in this weekend's footy Echo.

There is smoke because there is fire.

I think Benitez is unsettled because he may have been promised bigger funds when he first arrived as maybe Parry etc thought there would be a large investor in the wings. So far- nothing.

I think he's also unsettled because - whatever he says - the Madrid job is something he wants. His Mother was the big Madrid fan in the house and his father has not long passed away.

If he see's no real funding coming from Liverpool's board and see's the door open at Madrid he may well go.


Especially as one of his coaches is going back to Spain anyway at the end of this season.

Worst case scenario - no funds here - he goes.

Best scenario - We get the investment we need - he stays.

We may be left with some rubbish middle ground. We manage to get some funds and he decides to stay but is unhappy.

Personally, if he goes after just two seasons, Istanbul notwithstanding, then he is not the person I think he is and it would be a huge betrayal.

I read that he wants 30 million from the board....... or he might go to either inter or madrid...

[tel]

Surprise, surprise. The best manager our club has had since King Kenny wants 30m to buy top talent in the summer, namely a striker and a RM.

Well that's just what every LFC supporter also wants. When Rafa has spent big money, he's attracted talent the likes of Alonso, who has been a revelation for us. When he's had to make do with shortcuts, we end up with Morientes

We cant go out and stick it to the likes of Chelsea unless we have the talent in the positions we're missing this season.

You dont embarrass chelsea without a Ronaldinho or a Messi leading your line. You dont bury Manc sh ite with the likes of Crouch missing headers from 6 yards out

[Ciggy]

Dominic Fifield at Anfield
Monday March 6, 2006
The Guardian


Rafael Benítez is to test the Liverpool board's ability to match his own ambitions by seeking assurances that he will be granted significant transfer funds this summer to build a team capable of challenging Chelsea's dominance of the Premiership.

A pivotal week in the European champions' season, with an awkward deficit to be overhauled against Benfica on Wednesday if they are to maintain the defence of their trophy, began badly when Saturday's unsatisfactory display against Charlton added to the disquiet engulfing Anfield. The Spaniard will seek up to £40m at the end of the campaign to strengthen his side, but the club's inability as yet to attract new investment suggests manager and board are potentially on a collision course, with Real Madrid and Internazionale waiting in the wings to try to tempt Benítez away.

Though he remains publicly committed to the club and, even privately, still keen to remain on Merseyside, it is clear that frustration is welling. He is apparently desperate to switch the emphasis of his transfer policy away from buying youth and potential to purchasing established world-class quality. The Liverpool board would point to the £50m spent since he took up the reins two years ago, albeit that a proportion of it has been recouped with sales, as evidence that they have backed their coach.

Benítez's agent, Manuel García Quilón, will travel to England this week to attend Wednesday's Champions League tie with Benfica and is expected to have talks with the Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry to discuss his client's concerns. Quite how the board can offer sufficient reassurance remains to be seen. It is just under two years since they appointed Hawkpoint Partners Ltd as their financial advisers with the aim of attracting investment into the club and they have yet to secure that elusive injection.

"The need for additional finance is recognised and progress is being made," the director Keith Clayton, standing in for indisposed chairman David Moores, told shareholders at the club's annual meeting this month. Yet coupled with the need to generate transfer monies is the need to unearth funding for a new stadium now expected to cost £160m, with confirmation that both Real and Internazionale have contacted Benítez's camp in the past week to investigate his availability heightening Liverpool's alarm.

The politics are disconcerting when the task ahead against Benfica already appears more daunting than reality suggests it should. The Portuguese were distinctly ordinary at the Estadio da Luz a fortnight ago but still chiselled out a lead, and Liverpool's persistent attacking deficiencies were exposed again against a resilient if overly cautious Charlton. A draw may have edged the home side into second place but it is now 10 games since a forward scored for them in the Premiership - none has managed it this year - and three of the strikers used here were Benítez signings.

The fourth, Djibril Cissé, was denied twice by the excellent Thomas Myhre before the interval but has spent his season largely marooned on the right flank. His body language, like that of Steven Gerrard and even Benítez at times, betrayed his exasperation and it was typical that, when he did drift to the centre, he was the forward caught offside when Robbie Fowler pummelled the ball beyond Myhre in stoppage-time at the end. The best Peter Crouch could muster was a tame header into the Norwegian's hands and, though Charlton were occasionally stretched, they spent long periods content to allow the hosts possession in areas where they simply could not be hurt.

Two goals at least will be needed against Benfica if Liverpool are to progress to the quarter-finals, and they have not managed that many at Anfield since Boxing Day. "We played well, creating a lot of chances, and their goalkeeper was the man of the match," offered Benítez, who expects Sami Hyypia, withdrawn at the interval after tweaking a hamstring, to be fit for the European tie. "I think we will score against Benfica. I think we will score two or maybe three because we are creating a lot of chances." But those opportunities are not being taken.

Benfica are vulnerable enough to succumb even to Liverpool's spluttering front line and Benítez was hardly likely to prepare for that contest with a stinging attack on his forwards, yet the manager's simplistic argument bordered on the bizarre. Those who witnessed Saturday's toils will be unconvinced and, unless money is plucked from the ether, alarmed that all is not well behind the scenes.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/Match_Report/0,,1724435,00.html

[puroresu]

I am worried that the board will not be able to find the required funds for players and a new stadium.  I dont see where it will come from.  Last summer I was so disappointed that after we won the CL Rafa was not gving more money to buy players. 

I would like to think Rafa wants to finish the job his come here to do however if he requires certain funds to do so and the board have to match his ambition.

Finishing 2nd or 3rd every year isnt a success.

[114-1134093424]

yes he is going to madrid yaaaaareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeba!!!~

Liverpool is so terrible team that a great coach like rafaeal benitez cant do anything to make u a good team.Liverpool is FULL STOP .