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[Lando_Griffin]

this dont please me...

  lando,  do you think rafa is doing a good job at the moment...   honest answer please...

I don't understand how you can blame poor individual performances on the manager. The tactics have been pretty good this season, with the exceptions duly noted by the Spaniard.

The fact is, we're in the middle of a spell where most of our outfield players are playing well below their true level. You can blame Rafa all you like, but I won't subscribe to that theory.

So to answer your question, "yes". I think Rafa IS doing a good job considering the circumstances he finds himself and the team in.

well if he just let the team know what he thinks his best team is them he might not be in this "circumstances " to start with.

its hard for any player not to know if he is going to get a game, it will always be in the back of their mind if its time to move on to get games.

Every player in our squad, save for Carragher, Gerrard, Hyypia, Riise and Finnan (Kewell hasn't been fit long enough to be judged) knew they would be subjected to a regime of rotation when they signed.

Considering the overall form of the above-named players throughout Rafa's tenure here, I hardly think that this is a viable excuse.

yes i understand that but the named still need to be able to form a working partnership with the other players, very hard to do when you keep getting a new team to work with every game.

Well they should have joined another club then if it's such a problem for them.

[lakes10]

this dont please me...

  lando,  do you think rafa is doing a good job at the moment...   honest answer please...

I don't understand how you can blame poor individual performances on the manager. The tactics have been pretty good this season, with the exceptions duly noted by the Spaniard.

The fact is, we're in the middle of a spell where most of our outfield players are playing well below their true level. You can blame Rafa all you like, but I won't subscribe to that theory.

So to answer your question, "yes". I think Rafa IS doing a good job considering the circumstances he finds himself and the team in.

well if he just let the team know what he thinks his best team is them he might not be in this "circumstances " to start with.

its hard for any player not to know if he is going to get a game, it will always be in the back of their mind if its time to move on to get games.

Every player in our squad, save for Carragher, Gerrard, Hyypia, Riise and Finnan (Kewell hasn't been fit long enough to be judged) knew they would be subjected to a regime of rotation when they signed.

Considering the overall form of the above-named players throughout Rafa's tenure here, I hardly think that this is a viable excuse.

yes i understand that but the named still need to be able to form a working partnership with the other players, very hard to do when you keep getting a new team to work with every game.

Well they should have joined another club then if it's such a problem for them.

thats not the point, the point is they are finding it hard right now, the boss can do something about it by just picking a set team for a bit. our players are not think, they know the fans are not happy, they are not happy, when it gets like that its hard to pick it up again.

[Lando_Griffin]

this dont please me...

  lando,  do you think rafa is doing a good job at the moment...   honest answer please...

I don't understand how you can blame poor individual performances on the manager. The tactics have been pretty good this season, with the exceptions duly noted by the Spaniard.

The fact is, we're in the middle of a spell where most of our outfield players are playing well below their true level. You can blame Rafa all you like, but I won't subscribe to that theory.

So to answer your question, "yes". I think Rafa IS doing a good job considering the circumstances he finds himself and the team in.

well if he just let the team know what he thinks his best team is them he might not be in this "circumstances " to start with.

its hard for any player not to know if he is going to get a game, it will always be in the back of their mind if its time to move on to get games.

Every player in our squad, save for Carragher, Gerrard, Hyypia, Riise and Finnan (Kewell hasn't been fit long enough to be judged) knew they would be subjected to a regime of rotation when they signed.

Considering the overall form of the above-named players throughout Rafa's tenure here, I hardly think that this is a viable excuse.

yes i understand that but the named still need to be able to form a working partnership with the other players, very hard to do when you keep getting a new team to work with every game.

Well they should have joined another club then if it's such a problem for them.

thats not the point, the point is they are finding it hard right now, the boss can do something about it by just picking a set team for a bit. our players are not think, they know the fans are not happy, they are not happy, when it gets like that its hard to pick it up again.

I think you'll pretty much find that our team in the league hasn't changed a great deal since Brum.

[Bad Bob]

Sensible words, mate.  My big concern is that we now have to sit through another international fortnight with our players scattered to the four winds again. 

Fortunately though Bob, all the other teams have blokes who are involved in Internationals as well. If (as the sports scientists at our club tell us) our players are a bit tired when they get back from their excursions, maybe this time we'll take the view that the players in the other teams (who invariably play after internationals) are also tired so it'll cancel itself out.

I think one of the lads recently put up our record after Internationals/Champions League games and it is absolutely awful. It would be hard to argue that the methods we currently employ are yielding much joy (our resting after the last break for instance, can't with the benefit of hindsight be honestly considered a masterstroke in any sense at all). Given this it might be time to try a new approach. No prizes for guessing what I think that is.

Fair enough, mate--I think your idea makes sense and is worth a try, as the other way isn't working just at the moment.  But, I would remind everyone that Everton won't be sending most of their players off for internationals so that's still a source of concern for me.  I also hope that some of the absolutely key lads for us get through this fortnight unscathed--I'm not talking about coming back tired, but coming back in one piece.  How fecked are we if Hyypia gets crocked for Finland, for instance, or if Torres is tw.atted for Spain?  On the one hand, two weeks away from here might be just what a few of the lads need at the moment but, on the other, it can potentially make a bad situation even worse.

[lakes10]

this dont please me...

  lando,  do you think rafa is doing a good job at the moment...   honest answer please...

I don't understand how you can blame poor individual performances on the manager. The tactics have been pretty good this season, with the exceptions duly noted by the Spaniard.

The fact is, we're in the middle of a spell where most of our outfield players are playing well below their true level. You can blame Rafa all you like, but I won't subscribe to that theory.

So to answer your question, "yes". I think Rafa IS doing a good job considering the circumstances he finds himself and the team in.

well if he just let the team know what he thinks his best team is them he might not be in this "circumstances " to start with.

its hard for any player not to know if he is going to get a game, it will always be in the back of their mind if its time to move on to get games.

Every player in our squad, save for Carragher, Gerrard, Hyypia, Riise and Finnan (Kewell hasn't been fit long enough to be judged) knew they would be subjected to a regime of rotation when they signed.

Considering the overall form of the above-named players throughout Rafa's tenure here, I hardly think that this is a viable excuse.

yes i understand that but the named still need to be able to form a working partnership with the other players, very hard to do when you keep getting a new team to work with every game.

Well they should have joined another club then if it's such a problem for them.

thats not the point, the point is they are finding it hard right now, the boss can do something about it by just picking a set team for a bit. our players are not think, they know the fans are not happy, they are not happy, when it gets like that its hard to pick it up again.

I think you'll pretty much find that our team in the league hasn't changed a great deal since Brum.

we just need to keep the same team for say 4 game on the run and things would get better. as long as they stay fit, sorry i know thats old school thinking but hey how many times did we win in back the them days. there must be someting said for trying to keep the same team week after week.

[Ace Ventura]

Cant be ersed quoting posts but would love to purchase a pair of Lando's rose tinted glasses, they must be worth an absolute fortune.
Admittedly havent seen the game yet, so i migt look like i am talking out of my @rse and being a bit cheeky even commenting, but i have the kids of a weekend so its not often possible.
Anyway had the radio on, and Aldo was fuming...well fuming might not be the right word..more p!ssed off and a little confused as to where it was going wrong, he advised us that we played well first half and should of scored more than the goal before Keane equalised, and to be honest we cant just blame Rafa or rotation for a game we were dominating and then fell apart after conceding, thats down to the players...as is the dire performance against Marseille.

All i say to anyone is...do you think when we were flying in the league..before the international break then we changed major players..did it affect the team ?

If you can say no...its all down to the players not being ready to come in when selected then you also have them amazing Lando spectacles...damn i wish i bought them.

[JohnBull]

Lando
Do you honestly believe that Torres expected to be dropped/rested/rotated every other game ? That the present scenario was explained to him ? No bloody way Jose !

If you think that 2 wins will disguise the probs we've got, you're away with them. Today there were players out there terrified of the ball anxious to get rid straight away, passing and then not moving on. Unbelievable for Liverpool players of any era.

When things are like this (as they've been so often over the last few seasons) that's when the manager earns his money. That's his job to bring the iron back into spines and get the team working together. Watching videos and drawing plans is not required it is man management that's needed.

Another thread had you making ridiculous remarks about Shanks. If I had one wish, one bloody wish it would be for a man of his calibre to turn up and talk to this squad. They are good enough to win this league 4 out of the next 6 years it just needs motivation.

If the CL went back to winners only getting in, the importance of winning the PL might change Raffa's attitude

[Lando_Griffin]

we just need to keep the same team for say 4 game on the run and things would get better. as long as they stay fit, sorry i know thats old school thinking but hey how many times did we win in back the them days. there must be someting said for trying to keep the same team week after week.

Well I personally think our problems lie at the feet of individual players not doing their jobs, for whatever reason. (Be it injury, personal problems, disillusion with the methods or the fact that their granny is p*ssing the bed.)

But I think you'll be lucky to see Rafa play the same team 4 games running.

[dawson99]

4 games? hes only played same 2 games running in 164 games or something silly!!

[Lando_Griffin]

Cant be ersed quoting posts but would love to purchase a pair of Lando's rose tinted glasses, they must be worth an absolute fortune.
Admittedly havent seen the game yet, so i migt look like i am talking out of my @rse and being a bit cheeky even commenting, but i have the kids of a weekend so its not often possible.
Anyway had the radio on, and Aldo was fuming...well fuming might not be the right word..more p!ssed off and a little confused as to where it was going wrong, he advised us that we played well first half and should of scored more than the goal before Keane equalised, and to be honest we cant just blame Rafa or rotation for a game we were dominating and then fell apart after conceding, thats down to the players...as is the dire performance against Marseille.

All i say to anyone is...do you think when we were flying in the league..before the international break then we changed major players..did it affect the team ?

If you can say no...its all down to the players not being ready to come in when selected then you also have them amazing Lando spectacles...damn i wish i bought them.

As you wish.

[Sabre]

Answering Ciggy's question about whether it's acceptable the current form: No it's not acceptable, it's dissapointing.

Some of us might be more pro Rafa than others but we all love this club. I admit it's dissapointing the last two weeks, I admit there are lots of things to improve, I simply think that considering the sack of Rafa now is not good for this club. You have to find a better manager, and a manager that has to work with a squad he hasn't designed. You have new training methods, new guys and you need adaptation.

Quick Rafa sacking would put us in the Spanish "modern" and stupid fashion of blaming the coach first, bring another one. But I remember that even when Rijkaard had a bad patch and Capello lost 2 or 3 games in the liga last season they weren't sácked. If suddenly Liverpool becomes a quick sacking club, then fair enough, it's my club and I'll be a fan anyway, but it would dissapoint me, I'm not used to see that in the top English clubs, and even less in a club like Liverpool.

Pah, enough of this,I'll write again when Rafa's sacked, perhaps then I won't hear the bóllocks like The Rock spout about being biased when you just try to say your opinion about what's best for this club. Why bother, when just reading is easier to be updated about Liverpool. What a heap of cráp.

[Lando_Griffin]

Lando
Do you honestly believe that Torres expected to be dropped/rested/rotated every other game ? That the present scenario was explained to him ? No bloody way Jose !

If you think that 2 wins will disguise the probs we've got, you're away with them. Today there were players out there terrified of the ball anxious to get rid straight away, passing and then not moving on. Unbelievable for Liverpool players of any era.

When things are like this (as they've been so often over the last few seasons) that's when the manager earns his money. That's his job to bring the iron back into spines and get the team working together. Watching videos and drawing plans is not required it is man management that's needed.

Another thread had you making ridiculous remarks about Shanks. If I had one wish, one bloody wish it would be for a man of his calibre to turn up and talk to this squad. They are good enough to win this league 4 out of the next 6 years it just needs motivation.

If the CL went back to winners only getting in, the importance of winning the PL might change Raffa's attitude

I was actually referring to the fickle nature of the "fans" on here - that once we win two games back-to-back, they'd start buying Rafa's stools off ebay and smearing themselves nightly with his excrement in the hope that his magic touch might rub off on them.

What were the ridiculous remarks? Quote them - I appear to have forgotten.

And this squad is good, I agree. I also agree that a little motivation is required, but the Captain needs to do some of this motivating on the pitch, too, rather than masturbating himself silly when he really should be shooting us to victory.

[Lando_Griffin]

Answering Ciggy's question about whether it's acceptable the current form: No it's not acceptable, it's dissapointing.

Some of us might be more pro Rafa than others but we all love this club. I admit it's dissapointing the last two weeks, I admit there are lots of things to improve, I simply think that considering the sack of Rafa now is not good for this club. You have to find a better manager, and a manager that has to work with a squad he hasn't designed. You have new training methods, new guys and you need adaptation.

Quick Rafa sacking would put us in the Spanish "modern" and stupid fashion of blaming the coach first, bring another one. But I remember that even when Rijkaard had a bad patch and Capello lost 2 or 3 games in the liga last season they weren't sácked. If suddenly Liverpool becomes a quick sacking club, then fair enough, it's my club and I'll be a fan anyway, but it would dissapoint me, I'm not used to see that in the top English clubs, and even less in a club like Liverpool.

Pah, enough of this,I'll write again when Rafa's sacked, perhaps then I won't hear the bóllocks like The Rock spout about being biased when you just try to say your opinion about what's best for this club. Why bother, when just reading is easier to be updated about Liverpool. What a heap of cráp.

Well I'm about as Spanish as a box of Milk Tray, but I think Rafa's a genius who I'd like to bum nightly for the rest of my life.

Or so some members on here would have you believe...

[Ace Ventura]

but the Captain needs to do some of this motivating on the pitch, too, rather than masturbating himself silly when he really should be shooting us to victory.

Its statements like this what wind me up, whats the comment your saying based on ?
The start of the season our captain is performing like the world class player he is, then he has an injury...plays for England, something all Liverpool fans wish he didnt but at the end of the day he is patriotic. He has struggled since then..form wise but not once would i question his attitude...but because it helps Lando defend Rafa...we'll slag off Stevie.

Get a grip lad.

[Bad Bob]

but the Captain needs to do some of this motivating on the pitch, too, rather than masturbating himself silly when he really should be shooting us to victory.

Its statements like this what wind me up, whats the comment your saying based on ?
The start of the season our captain is performing like the world class player he is, then he has an injury...plays for England, something all Liverpool fans wish he didnt but at the end of the day he is patriotic. He has struggled since then..form wise but not once would i question his attitude...but because it helps Lando defend Rafa...we'll slag off Stevie.

Get a grip lad.

Not going to get in the middle of this as long as the conversation stays civil but I thought it worth pointing out that Lando is not the only one slagging Gerrard off tonight:

Blame thread...