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Postby dawson99 » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:01 am

From what I've heard from 'my' sources, the dude who was gonna buy it might be in doubt as his brother owns citeh and conflicts of interest. But there are a lot of murmurs about Liverpool being sold in months not years, and possibly before the new season, which is why the price on us hasn't chenged that dramatically.

I think Stevie will go, one last hoorah big pay day, and who can blame him?
I think Torres will stay though, I think he owes it to us, and he is a loyal lad. Of course if it does all go tits up and we dont get sold and others leave then hed find it hard to stay
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Postby In and Out » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:05 am

dawson99 wrote:From what I've heard from 'my' sources, the dude who was gonna buy it might be in doubt as his brother owns citeh and conflicts of interest. But there are a lot of murmurs about Liverpool being sold in months not years, and possibly before the new season, which is why the price on us hasn't chenged that dramatically.

I think Stevie will go, one last hoorah big pay day, and who can blame him?
I think Torres will stay though, I think he owes it to us, and he is a loyal lad. Of course if it does all go tits up and we dont get sold and others leave then hed find it hard to stay

Lets hope your sources are on the money
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Postby metalhead » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:12 am

Its a good thread, I agree with a lot of being said, especially when andy said that hodgson's appointment will come and steady the ship, I mean we might not end up challenging the title (my opinion we will never under our current owners), but at least we will keep getting a decent position each season, which is a shame really because we should be title challengers.

Now for the players, I still have the belief that Torres will give Liverpool one more season, Gerrard will leave and mascherano too, so its vital for the new manager to replace them with good players who could do the job. I'm optimistic about Jonjo Shelvey, I watched the brentford vs charlton game (replay) and he looked like a gem to me, excellent first touch, good passing and an excellent work rate, looks like he will be a very good player too me. However, he doesn't have Gerrard's vision or even Alonso's passing play, but I think in 2 years time he will be a good player for us and he will be needing proper guidance under the new manager.

But, I have a question, isn't it weird that there have been a delay in choosing a manager? Its been a month now and no leads, only this will be favs or that. Now I came up with a couple of conclusions, one of them might not be true but its a conclusion

1. The post on RAWK is true and everything will be announced after WC
2. We are trying to find better managers than Roy

Believe what you may, but I think both can be true, so time will tell
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Postby metalhead » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:21 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:the fact that our club is manager-less is bad because we're losing out in the transfer market with players whom we've been linked with in the past such as Simon Kjaer (sp) and others whose stock may rise at the end of their World Cup being snapped up by other clubs such as Spurs. it is unsure if the next manager appointed is on a long term basis or is just gonna be used as a firefighter till the ownership saga is resolved.

personally i would welcome a British manager. back to the roots, someone who is familiar with the system and it would be nice to see local lads step up. look at Everton for example, they have a couple of youngsters with so much potential such as Gosling, Vaughan, Baxter and Rodwell. its been ages since a Fowler or Owen was discovered within our ranks perhaps because of the mediocre foreigners being bought preventing their progress and opportunities. an example would be Stephen Warnock and Danny Guthrie, the latter being just as good if not better then Lucas.

The academy hasn't been producing the likes of fowler or gerrard not because we aren't giving local lads a chance, its because our academy has been badly run and poor. Only Warnock was decent,he wasn't world class like owen, gerrard and fowler, but he did the job when needed. Other players weren't good enough to be honest, the likes of spearing and darby.

I think Kelly will have a bright future with us.
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Postby kazza » Mon Jun 28, 2010 11:48 am

ConnO'var wrote:
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maypaxvobiscum wrote:personally i would welcome a British manager. back to the roots, someone who is familiar with the system and it would be nice to see local lads step up.

Local lads?? You are an Indian living in Singapore, what local are we talking about?

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And we're off again..  :no

Why don't you just feck off once and for all... I'm tired of the constant sh!t stirring, stalking and personal attacks that trails in the wake of your posts.

When tampax called me a lowlife out of the blue (it was the first time we ever communicated as is this time with you) where was your even handedness then, you too metalhead. You never said to him it was out of order.

I have NEVER initiated any personal attacks on anyone without them doing it first to me (never) so feck off Con if you don't like it you feck off.

I think it is sweet that you have your own thread and only those that agree can comment.  :hearts

PS It is not difficult to ruin a thread that names the people you want to reply and excludes the rest.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:01 pm

dawson99 wrote:I can give good insight from the gambling side if it helps.

Hodgson was 1/5 yesterday, so for £5 you would make £1 proft... more or less a sure thing...

But...

this morning you can get Hodgson at 4/7, which is amuch better price.. if you don't want him to join

Pelligrini has moved the opposite way, coming in from 9/1 to 7/2, Dalglish stilla  best priced 20/1.

Interesting news from betfair, Gerrard is actually now odds on to stay... and around 6/5 to go. still pretty close but people aremore unsure now. Torres is more or less the same.



Don't know if that helps, but if money does indeed talk, nothing is certain at the moment!

I would be very careful on the Dalglish bet. You will find the bookies will offer odds on Dalglish as PERMANENT boss.

If he takes the role as a caretaker, the bet will be invalid.
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Postby Ola Mr Benitez » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:05 pm

I cant see us ending up with a big name European manager, and I really think that in this particular time this is the right move.

No matter how good the manager is, the Premiership is different.  I really beleive we need a manager who has either played or managed in the Premiership so his first season is not wasted getting used to it.

My choice would be Rednapp (never going to happen), then Martin O Neil and after that I'm struggling.  Roy doesnt fill me with confidence but I can see his good points. 

Can he keep hold of our players? Can anyone right now?
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Postby ConnO'var » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:13 pm

kazza wrote:
ConnO'var wrote:
kazza wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:personally i would welcome a British manager. back to the roots, someone who is familiar with the system and it would be nice to see local lads step up.

Local lads?? You are an Indian living in Singapore, what local are we talking about?

???

And we're off again..  :no

Why don't you just feck off once and for all... I'm tired of the constant sh!t stirring, stalking and personal attacks that trails in the wake of your posts.

When tampax called me a lowlife out of the blue (it was the first time we ever communicated as is this time with you) where was your even handedness then, you too metalhead. You never said to him it was out of order.

I have NEVER initiated any personal attacks on anyone without them doing it first to me (never) so feck off Con if you don't like it you feck off.

I think it is sweet that you have your own thread and only those that agree can comment.  :hearts

PS It is not difficult to ruin a thread that names the people you want to reply and excludes the rest.

Grow up child..... You're not 6 so stop arguing like one and let the grown ups talk.... This is not the 1st time you've pulled this stunt.

If I were a mod, I'd have banned you a long time ago... you and your ilk have been the root cause of a lot of the :censored: that has infested this forum.

I for one have had enough of it..... I will be utilizing a feature on this forum that I've never used and that is the ignore button.
Last I'm going to say on the matter.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:22 pm

Ola Mr Benitez wrote:I cant see us ending up with a big name European manager, and I really think that in this particular time this is the right move.

No matter how good the manager is, the Premiership is different.  I really beleive we need a manager who has either played or managed in the Premiership so his first season is not wasted getting used to it.

My choice would be Rednapp (never going to happen), then Martin O Neil and after that I'm struggling.  Roy doesnt fill me with confidence but I can see his good points. 

Can he keep hold of our players? Can anyone right now?

You're right, what with the pending sale of the club and no clear transfer budget, no premium manager will sign a contract. Let alone be offered a long term one.

And as you say few managers have the respect and kudos to keep world class players at a struggling club. Essentially the likes of Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano will decide for themselves whether to extend their stay.

I get the feeling that Torres does not want to leave and that Gerrard feels his time is running out to win big consistently. My fear is that if Gerrard leaves Torres will follow.

Keep Gerrard and Torres stays.

FWIW - I think Mascherano is off. At least if Argentina progress in the World Cup his value will increase.
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Postby ConnO'var » Mon Jun 28, 2010 12:31 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
Ola Mr Benitez wrote:I cant see us ending up with a big name European manager, and I really think that in this particular time this is the right move.

No matter how good the manager is, the Premiership is different.  I really beleive we need a manager who has either played or managed in the Premiership so his first season is not wasted getting used to it.

My choice would be Rednapp (never going to happen), then Martin O Neil and after that I'm struggling.  Roy doesnt fill me with confidence but I can see his good points. 

Can he keep hold of our players? Can anyone right now?

You're right, what with the pending sale of the club and no clear transfer budget, no premium manager will sign a contract. Let alone be offered a long term one.

And as you say few managers have the respect and kudos to keep world class players at a struggling club. Essentially the likes of Gerrard, Torres and Mascherano will decide for themselves whether to extend their stay.

I get the feeling that Torres does not want to leave and that Gerrard feels his time is running out to win big consistently. My fear is that if Gerrard leaves Torres will follow.

Keep Gerrard and Torres stays.

FWIW - I think Mascherano is off. At least if Argentina progress in the World Cup his value will increase.

Good post. Agree completely.

To be honest, if we lose Masch..... it's honestly not the end of the world as we know it, IMO..... But if we do lose Nando and Stevie, we will surely be in complete re-building mode.

The next few years are going to be bleak and it will be extremely tough to attract top talents.

Bleak forecast.... The only chance of a light in the horizon is the removal of the current owners.....

But it won't be completely pitch dark.... we are still Liverpool and we will find a way...... I hope!
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Postby tonyeh » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:34 pm

Weren't Liverpool given permission to talk to Didier Deschamps the other day? Not too sure about that though.

MON still my top choice at the mo. I can see him doing well at Anfield to be honest, presuming the team stays relatively intact. That means Torres'n'Gerrard FC.
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Postby 7_Kewell » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:42 pm

tonyeh wrote:Weren't Liverpool given permission to talk to Didier Deschamps the other day? Not too sure about that though.

MON still my top choice at the mo. I can see him doing well at Anfield to be honest, presuming the team stays relatively intact. That means Torres'n'Gerrard FC.

there were and Didier turned us down.
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Postby tonyeh » Mon Jun 28, 2010 1:47 pm

Ah ok. Just saw on the net there that he signed for another year with Marseilles.
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Postby Zidane » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:07 pm

It's all very blurry right now so it is hard to comment on any of it.  I want to believe that in the end everyone will stay except for maybe Masch and some squad players that wouldn't be a big loss anyway.  I just want to see some sort of progress with the sale and/or a new manager soon, it's going to become more of a problem as more and more of our players go out of the WC.
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Postby zarababe » Mon Jun 28, 2010 4:41 pm

ConnO'var wrote:
kazza wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:personally i would welcome a British manager. back to the roots, someone who is familiar with the system and it would be nice to see local lads step up.

Local lads?? You are an Indian living in Singapore, what local are we talking about?

???

And we're off again..  :no

Why don't you just feck off once and for all... I'm tired of the constant sh!t stirring, stalking and personal attacks that trails in the wake of your posts.

:laugh:  :D hilarious
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