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[7_Kewell]

Fu'ck it

Dont get wound up mate. I think it was Magus who hit the nail on the head. What the most vocal whingers want is a sugar daddy, but they are not quite vocal enough to admit it.

It's hilarious...LFC spend money they don't have and were nearly out of business....we get new owners who attempt to run the club right and they're the villans because they won't throw another 35 million at someone like Carroll again. You coudn't make it up

[Kharhaz]

Fu'ck it

Dont get wound up mate. I think it was Magus who hit the nail on the head. What the most vocal whingers want is a sugar daddy, but they are not quite vocal enough to admit it.

It's hilarious...LFC spend money they don't have and were nearly out of business....we get new owners who attempt to run the club right and they're the villans because they won't throw another 35 million at someone like Carroll again. You coudn't make it up

What I find hilarious are the "I miss Rafa" quotes. How long did we only have one striker under him? In fact no, dont get me started...

[7_Kewell]

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

who says kenny chose those players? it`s a well known fact that downing and henderson were `moneyball` stats based signings, when they signed comoli said it in the press. i dont think kenny would recruit players by studying stats, he`s from a different generation.
the one signing that i think was kenny`s was adam.

what's that based on?  Because Kenny said in public that they WERE his players...he said it 100 times and, regardless if Comolli suggested them, Kenny had final say on who was brought in. The buck stops with the guy who signs the checks, and that was Kenny. No one forced him to sign Downing for 20 million, or Adam and Henderson. He did and that's why he's gone.

kenny would say that if he didnt sign them because that is the type of man that he is. especially if players were getting stick, he`d stand right by them wether they were his signings or not. he comes from a different generation with a different mindset, these days at football clubs it`s about deflecting blame onto someone else, kenny stands up to be counted.
and i am fed up posting links to newspaper articles where comoli brags about how downing and hendo were signed using this moneyball theory. look them up yourself.
the buck doesnt stop with kenny it stops with the owners, they brought comoli in to look after the transfers, the owners even had a dig at the way transfers happened in this country when they first arrived saying people spent millions on `hunches` and there wasnt any stats or analysis to back those hunches up.
comoli was the man who crunched the numbers and unearthed the likes of bale and he was going to do the same here etc. all this was said when roy was still in charge, do you think they`d throw all that out of the window when a interim manager arrived?

[7_Kewell]

who says kenny chose those players? it`s a well known fact that downing and henderson were `moneyball` stats based signings, when they signed comoli said it in the press. i dont think kenny would recruit players by studying stats, he`s from a different generation.
the one signing that i think was kenny`s was adam.

what's that based on?  Because Kenny said in public that they WERE his players...he said it 100 times and, regardless if Comolli suggested them, Kenny had final say on who was brought in. The buck stops with the guy who signs the checks, and that was Kenny. No one forced him to sign Downing for 20 million, or Adam and Henderson. He did and that's why he's gone.

kenny would say that if he didnt sign them because that is the type of man that he is. especially if players were getting stick, he`d stand right by them wether they were his signings or not. he comes from a different generation with a different mindset, these days at football clubs it`s about deflecting blame onto someone else, kenny stands up to be counted.
and i am fed up posting links to newspaper articles where comoli brags about how downing and hendo were signed using this moneyball theory. look them up yourself.
the buck doesnt stop with kenny it stops with the owners, they brought comoli in to look after the transfers, the owners even had a dig at the way transfers happened in this country when they first arrived saying people spent millions on `hunches` and there wasnt any stats or analysis to back those hunches up.
comoli was the man who crunched the numbers and unearthed the likes of bale and he was going to do the same here etc. all this was said when roy was still in charge, do you think they`d throw all that out of the window when a interim manager arrived?

ah, so the owners should have REFUSED Kenny's and Comolli's transfers?   

FSG trusted them and Kenny and Comolli are both EQUALLY TO BLAME....FSG were wrong and they won't make that mistake again.

Either that, or as you suggest, Kenny didn't have the balls to stand up and stop the madness of spending 100 million on utter cr@p. Either way, Rodgers is clearing up a huge mess and it'll take him time. FSG know that they f**ked up not signing a striker and i'll be rectified, either now or in Jan

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Fu'ck it

Dont get wound up mate. I think it was Magus who hit the nail on the head. What the most vocal whingers want is a sugar daddy, but they are not quite vocal enough to admit it.

who wouldnt want one? for all the stick the sheiks and abramovitich have taken they have bought football clubs to be successful and to win trophies, they havent bought them so they can milk a few quid out of their fanbases, our owners talk about arsenal as the ideal model, a club that hasnt won a trophy in seven years and a club that continually cashes in on its best players, but they like the fact that arsenal are always in the CL and are just competative enough to keep their fans interested.
we heard our owners thoughts after the 2 domestic cup finals last year, there was no money in them so they wasnt interested.
abramovitich has been here a decade and turned a nondescript london club more renowned for it`s hooligan fans than for anything it did in terms of winning anything into english champions, european champions, F.A cup winners and league cup winners. chelsea are now a club with a worldwide fanbase and they are currently 8 points ahead of us after 3 games.
the fact that our owners like the idea of this game 39 says what they are here for.

[Kharhaz]

Fu'ck it

Dont get wound up mate. I think it was Magus who hit the nail on the head. What the most vocal whingers want is a sugar daddy, but they are not quite vocal enough to admit it.

who wouldnt want one?

I wouldnt. LFC are a working mans club. If they ever became a billionaires toy, then all the enjoyment, all the soul, all the essence of Liverpool will have gone. Its bad enough having whinging, fix it now supporters wanting the same as what City and Chelsea have, it would be disastrous if we had owners who shared that opinion.

[7_Kewell]

 

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

7_Kewell
ah, so the owners should have REFUSED Kenny's and Comolli's transfers?   :laugh:

FSG trusted them and Kenny and Comolli are both EQUALLY TO BLAME....FSG were wrong and they won't make that mistake again.

Either that, or as you suggest, Kenny didn't have the balls to stand up and stop the madness of spending 100 million on utter cr@p. Either way, Rodgers is clearing up a huge mess and it'll take him time. FSG know that they f**ked up not signing a striker and i'll be rectified, either now or in Jan

just deal with it lad, fsg brought in their own man to sort out the transfers, the fact fsg went to see billy beane to ask him if he could recommend anyone who believed in their stats based approach shows highly they prioritised player recruitment. appointing comoli was the first thing they did.
fsg didnt just turn up in english football and go with the flow, they had their own idea`s on player recruitment and even scoffed at the current system. they wanted to revolutionise that part of the game in this country and said so in interviews.
they gave their man who believed in their philosophy an open chequebook and said to him go nuts.
suarez and carroll arrived days after kenny had got off that cruise liner, and even then he was only interim manager, they were even reluctant to give him the job permanently 6 months later but you reckon kenny had a big say in those transfers? even though the owners had a clear vision themselves which way the club should go in terms of player recruitment?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Kharhaz

I wouldnt. LFC are a working mans club. If they ever became a billionaires toy, then all the enjoyment, all the soul, all the essence of Liverpool will have gone. Its bad enough having whinging, fix it now supporters wanting the same as what City and Chelsea have, it would be disastrous if we had owners who shared that opinion.

in the modern game everyone moans about the ridiculous ticket prices, the t.v money, the price of replica shirts and just generally the astronomical amounts of money sloshing around the game. most people reckon thats why the game has lost it`s soul.
but those are the very things that attracted our owners to the game, they couldnt care less about football they are baseball people, 5 years ago they couldnt name 3 premiership teams, they are here because they can smell the money.
if footy wasnt awash with money they`d be nowhere near the game, if you think our owners care about this sport or the `soul` of this game then you really are naive, they even want this game 39 to happen, thats how much fsg care about the soul of the game.

[alwayslfc]

Henry's B.ull S.hit  letter to fans was hilarious. To me, all he basically saying was, we're a Work In Progress and could take up to 16 years for Liverpool to be rebuilt and he didn't have money to buy players but instead concentrate on the youth.

Can you all see the problem there? That means over the next few seasons at least, I can see we'll finish in the bottom half and could possibly be another Wigan ie struggling to stay in the PL every season.

Well, if I were an owner with no money, yes I would be harping on not overpaying for players, develop the youth and claiming to be a strong supporter of the FIFA Financial Fair Play Rules.

This FSG, like Kenny, came and had accomplished what they came here to do and now needs to go because they are no longer beneficial to the club. I don't mean to be ungrateful for the help you've done, but if your presence now is damaging to the club, then please have the decency to go. I take my hats off to them for saving us from administration, clearing the debts can rid the club of those 2 previous monster owners. And appointing Kenny to the realm when the club badly needed him. But now they do not have the funds to invest in the much needed striker we need to put away our chances created.

Many fans have criticised City and Chelsea for their moneyball or sugardaddy owners and go and support them if that's what you want. Well, those 2 clubs won the PL and the CL. Who can argue against having megarich trillionaire owners when a club can win those sort of grand competitions?  These are the kind of owners a club needs to be among the elite, otherwise that club will only be there to make up the 19 clubs in the PL.

So FSG and Henry, you've done what you came here to do, I thank you for that BUT if you're either going to be stingy or without the funds, please sell the club to whoever who can provide Rodgers with the needed finances to move the club forward. What you said in your open letter is regressing the club. Please be reminded that we're Liverpool FC, we are supposed to be challenging for the PL title every season and finishing 2nd is a failure. So please do not take another 16 years to bring back those glory days.

[Kharhaz]

Ugh...

[7_Kewell]

7_Kewell
ah, so the owners should have REFUSED Kenny's and Comolli's transfers?   :laugh:

FSG trusted them and Kenny and Comolli are both EQUALLY TO BLAME....FSG were wrong and they won't make that mistake again.

Either that, or as you suggest, Kenny didn't have the balls to stand up and stop the madness of spending 100 million on utter cr@p. Either way, Rodgers is clearing up a huge mess and it'll take him time. FSG know that they f**ked up not signing a striker and i'll be rectified, either now or in Jan

just deal with it lad, fsg brought in their own man to sort out the transfers, the fact fsg went to see billy beane to ask him if he could recommend anyone who believed in their stats based approach shows highly they prioritised player recruitment. appointing comoli was the first thing they did.
fsg didnt just turn up in english football and go with the flow, they had their own idea`s on player recruitment and even scoffed at the current system. they wanted to revolutionise that part of the game in this country and said so in interviews.
they gave their man who believed in their philosophy an open chequebook and said to him go nuts.
suarez and carroll arrived days after kenny had got off that cruise liner, and even then he was only interim manager, they were even reluctant to give him the job permanently 6 months later but you reckon kenny had a big say in those transfers? even though the owners had a clear vision themselves which way the club should go in terms of player recruitment?

So Kenny just agreed to it all, without question? Downing, Henderson, Adam....no questions, no objections, he just walked in, checked his tan and agreed to everything they said? 

You're talking nonsense lad. Kenny was involved is all the deals, but pretend otherwise if it helps make the big, bad Americans easier to villify. They did save our club, after all.

[maguskwt]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/09/03/liverpool-fc-owner-john-henry-writes-letter-to-fans-after-transfer-deadline-day-disappointments-100252-31754456/#sitelife-commentsWidget-bottom

219 comments from literally fuming reds fans ....

Cant be ar'sed reading all them. Football fans are by nature moaners anyway.
Were in a situation that needs support not silence, like on sunday. Yes its frustrating and even frightening but people whinging and crying like arl tarts insnt going to help. Yes I know we all have a right to express our opinion but for fu'cks sake cant some people give it a rest?
Henry's letter is exactly what you would expect from a businessman: politician like, whereby he blames his predecessors. But he goes on to say they have had their own fu'ck ups:
"We are still in the process of reversing the errors of previous regimes. It will not happen overnight. It has been compounded by our own mistakes in a difficult first two years of ownership. It has been a harsh education, but make no mistake, the club is healthier today than when we took over."
He does it again:
"We will build and grow from within, buy prudently and cleverly and never again waste resources on inflated transfer fees and unrealistic wages. We have no fear of spending and competing with the very best but we will not overpay for players."
I have no doubt that Dempsey sh'it on us from a great height. His bullsh'it "I dont want to go to Villa I want to go to Liverpool" kidded the bo'llocks of us. All of a sudden hes signed a 3 year deal with spurs, because we wouldnt pay £2 mill? My fu'ckin ar'se, he planned it all along to stay in london, the sly cu'nt.
We are guilty of naivety and rushing ahead without consolodating first. But Henrys right when he says weve got new talent as well as keeping Skrtl, Suarez and Agger. How many were crying their eyes out at the thought of any of these leaving? Arent you glad we kept them?
Cut them some slack. Ok we are not in an ideal position, but anyone who expected Rodgers to wave a magic wand after the last five years of absolute chaos and instability should go get their head tested.
Patience and support must be given by everyone. Otherwise you are deluded and YOU will bring bring the club down, not the yanks, or the manager or the players. The supporters will revive or kill LFC, mark my words...
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This time I agree with you 100% Thommo... it's not the time to be so worked up yet... we have a new manager and a new team. Remember Rafa's 1st season, we were Sh*t as well...
And maybe what the Good Yank said is true re: Dempsey... we ***** them off so much that maybe they weren't gonna sell us once Spurs came into the picture unless we bid 10 million or so... the point is that none of us knew exactly what happened... only that we had 2 bids rejected...

[maguskwt]

People on here are criticizing the owners about the mistakes that Henry mentioned in the letter. Actually the mistakes were made by Commoli and Kenny as already discussed... So it is quite unfair that the owners are getting the flak... 80+ million spent on Carroll, Adam, Henderson and Downing... Managers fail and succeed by their signings... Rafa's initial purchases like Reina, Torres, Mascherano and Alonso were inspired. Rafa's downfall started when he bought Babel, Voronin, Keane and Aquilani, etc. Kenny was unfortunate in that the 4 of his 5 buys failed to live up to expectations and they weren't small purchases...