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[A.B.]

I'm not sure if you lot are aware of the current scandal involving Juventus. Tapes have been founding with conversations between members of the board from Juve and the Italian FA discussing what refeeres they want for each of their games. [season 2004/2005]

Today several members of their board have resigned after the tapes were made public [I've read the transcripts]. Because of all this, Juventus may have their league title [from last year] taken away and relagated. If that were to happen, should we try to sign some of their players and which ones?

I personaly would go for Trezeguet ''Trezegol''. Ibrahimovic has the potential to be one of the top players but he has a serious attitude problem and is not prolific enough.

What say you?

[weringo]

Camoranesi wouldn't be a bad player to have as we are in need of a right winger

[A.B.]

Camoranesi wouldn't be a bad player to have as we are in need of a right winger

He too seems to have a lot of fire in his belly. He was actually grinning when he got sent off against Arsenal 

[Igor Zidane]

ffs AB no flies on you ace. I definatly try and get Nedved tho.

[stew_the_red]

I doubt very much they well be relegated or even have their title taken away.

Anyway, not many that fit the bill, would love to take Nedved but who wouldn’t? Zambrota for left back, but that’s about it, and both these players would mover else were ahead of joining us.

[dward]

any sources A.B?

[adamnbarrett]

Camoranesi wouldn't be a bad player to have as we are in need of a right winger

He too seems to have a lot of fire in his belly. He was actually grinning when he got sent off against Arsenal 

Yer, I agree A.B. his attitude is worse than cisses. We don't need players like that.

I wouldn't mind Zebina, Trezeguet or Ibrahimovic at all.

[stew_the_red]

any sources A.B?

Yeah, I could use some too.

[adamnbarrett]

any sources A.B?

try this 

[Rafa D]

link?

[The Ace1983]

If this is the case, Ibrahimovic would be top of my list, and there are a few in that defence I wouldn't mind a gander at. If it's true, I'd drop them to C2 and tell them that even if they won the league, they couldn't be promoted for 5 seasons. One of my biggest hates is when sportingness goes out of the game. And another is abuse of power so I would crush them for this.

[A.B.]

This has been going on for ages in Italy, but now they've actually caught them red handed.

Here's the link to resignation article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4763239.stm


Here is the conversation on the tapes, bad translation but best I could find:

CONVERSATION BETWEEN MOGGI AND PAIRETTO (11th August 2004)


Moggi and Pairetto (the vice-President of the Uefa Referees Commission) speak on the phone about the Champions League first leg of the preliminary round between Juventus and Djugarden which ended 2-2.

Pairetto: Hello
Moggi: Gigi? Where are you?
Pairetti: We left
Moggi: Oh, what kind of f…. referee did you send us?
Pairetto: Oh, Fandel is one of the first…
Moggi: I know, but Miccoli’s goal is valid
Pairetto: No
Moggi: Why not? (…) But then all throughout the match he caused problems to us
Pairetto: I did not like the assistants overall, no, but I was thinking about someone else, the one that had raised was the one of Trezeguet which I remember in front.
Moggi: That is something else (…) Now be careful in Stockholm, eh?
Pairetto: This surely is a match…
Moggi: No, we’ll win, you know…
Pairetto: But they are poor
Moggi: But with someone like this it’s difficult, understood?
(…)

The conversation shifts to a discussion about some summer friendlies:

Moggi: Oh, at Messina send me Consolo and Battaglia
Pairetto: Eh, I already did it
Moggi: And who will you send us?
Pairetto: I think Consolo and Battaglia
Moggi: Eh, with Cassara, eh?
Pairetto: Yes
Moggi: And at Livorno, Rocchi?
Pairetto: At Livorno Rocchi, yes
Moggi: And for the Trofeo Berlusconi Pieri, please
Pairetto: We have not done it yet
Moggi: We shall do it later
Pairetto: Ok we’ll do it later.

CONVERSATION BETWEEN MOGGI, MORENA AND PAIRETTO (24th August 2004 – on the eve of the Champions League second leg match against Djugarden)

Moggi: Hello?
Morena: Mister Moggi, hello. I wanted to announce to you the referee and assistants for tomorrow night’s Champions League match
Moggi: Who’s the referee, Cardoso?
Morena: No, I see Poll Graham’s name
Moggi: Uhm…Where is he from?
Morena: He’s English
(…)
Pairetto: Hello
Moggi: Good morning
Pairetto: Hey there, good morning!
Moggi: Oh, what about Cardoso, eh?
Pairetto: Eh
Moggi: Paul Green (Moggi actually confused Graham Poll with Paul Green)
Pairetto: What?
Moggi: Paul Green
Pairetto: Then something must have happened in the last moment, I have Cardoso, something must have happened… he must have been sick or something like that
Moggi: Inform yourself
Pairetto: Yes yes, I will

Two weeks before the first group match of the first phase of the Champions League (2004/05 season) in program on the 15th of September, Pairetto announces the referee of that match to Moggi (the game ended 1-0 for the Bianconeri)

Moggi: Hello
Pairetto: Hey there, I know you forgot all about me, but I didn’t.
Moggi: Come on…
Pairetto: I placed a great referee for the Amsterdam match.
Moggi: Who?
Pairetto: Meier
Moggi: Great!
Pairetto: You see that I still think about you, even though you don’t anymore…
Moggi: Don’t start, now you’ll see, when I’m back, that I didn't forget you.


CONVERSATION BETWEEN MOGGI AND GIRAUDO (14th August 2004 – the two Bianconeri managers talk about the referee designations)

Giraudo: We see immediately what kind of air there is; you have any news of how the atmosphere is there at Sportilia?
Moggi: Good, good with Gigi (Pairetto)
Giraudo: But it’s not like last year?
Moggi: No, no, with Gigi it’s great
Giraudo: But now we tell him to work hard for this crow, because we cannot go on with this d… head


CONVERSATION ABOUT A CAR FOR AN IMPORTANT FRIEND

Man: Agnelli’s house, good morning
Moggi: Good morning, I’m Moggi. I need Nalla
Nalla: Hello Luciano
Moggi: I need urgently, because we need to do…
Nalla: Yes
Moggi: For an important friend, a Maserati
Nalla: Yes
Moggi: Four-door
Nalla: Four-door?
Moggi: Yes. We give you a week’s time, ten days, ok?
Nalla: Ok

Enzo: Hello?
Pairetto: Enzo?
Enzo: Hello Gigi
Pairetto: Listen, I wanted to tell you that I practically have the car.
Enzo: Which?
Pairetto: So when we want to go pick it up there is practically available the Maserati.
Enzo: Come on
Pairetti: Yes, therefore
Enzo: Madonna!
Pairetto: Now when I’m back home tomorrow I will call directly the Royal House.


Mazzini On Carraro (The FIGC vice-President and Moggi speak to each other on the 6th of September, about the federal elections and a meeting with the referees)

Mazzini: For this .... (referred to Carrara), don’t forget that he thinks that, also if he passes like he normally wants, he will win. Instead you must stick it up his a… Don’t forget
Moggi: Ooh if I tell you let me talk to him, then tomorrow I have the appointment
Mazzini: Ok
(…)
Mazzine: On Friday I’ll do the referees
Moggi: On Friday I will come too
Mazzini: I told Anto’ and he told me that he won’t come
Moggi: Let it go, that’s a hybrid environment, the less that someone blends in, the better it is, and it’s not worth it to stay far away: I will make one take part or I will take part, or I will send Alessio


CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN MOGGI AND SON

(10th September 2004)

Alessandro Moggi: …the other day, take it as an information, then I don’t know, I met up with Preziosi (former President of Genoa) as always
Luciano Moggi: Uhm
A. Moggi: He started telling me how football is changing, you must be careful of this and that, Carraro, Galliani, then he tells me not to trust Montezemolo. I ask him why? Because I overheard a conversation at Juve, they want to kick everyone out except for Giraudo
L. Moggi: Yes, but this is b…..
A. Moggi: I’m telling you what I heard, since Preziosi is often in this kind of environment, he’s in it.
L. Moggi: He’s never there
A. Moggi: Well, dad, I’m telling you because...
L. Moggi: It’s exactly the other way round


(19th August 2004)

A. Moggi: Morabito (agent) called me, in particular Vigorelli (agent), to find out if you wanted to make an exchange of loans for Liverani
L. Moggi: No, no. They work for Lazio now?
A. Moggi: What do I know, that’s what he told me
L. Moggi: Damn it, since that one hooked down there, but I want to talk with him, because they gave them Lopez and they want to give them Marquez, eh?
A. Moggi: Eh, I know
L. Moggi: Therefore it’s certain that they managed to get in a little, because they cannot go in much there, unless Cinquini (former Sports Director of Lazio) does not work anymore for Lazio


(28th August 2004) Talking about Miccoli

L. Moggi: I asked Lotito for 10 million and he told me 5, no? You must tell him: look, I can convince my father to do it for 7.5 million. Tell him some stories at the beginning
A. Moggi: Ok

Luciano then calls a friend of Miccoli

L. Moggi: Tell him to be less stupid, otherwise I won’t let him be called up for the National team, so I pass a judgement on him, because I will send him to the National team.


CONVERSATION WITH BISCARDI (TV PERSONALITY AND JOURNALIST)

Biscardi: Hello?
Moggi: Can I speak with Doctor Biscardi?
Biscardi: It’s me
Moggi: I’m Luciano Moggi
Biscardi: Uehh….Lucia
Moggi: So yesterday I called here our friend from Trieste…Baldas (former referee designator and commentator on the TV program “Il Processo di Biscardi”). I gave him a good talking, but there was no need. He does not have any fault
(…)
Moggi: But if he doesn’t come I won’t get anyone else, why should we kill the league off?
Biscardi: No, you won’t kill f…. anything, maybe you killed it off last season, you should give me 40 million, you bet with me and you lost
Moggi: Aldo, but I…you’re like an insured clock, what can I say?
Biscardi: And where is it?
Moggi: And you know that when I tell you…
Biscardi: And I don’t know. You never send it…
Moggi: F… off, I gave you one, it cost 40 million.

[The Ace1983]

Disgraceful...

[adamnbarrett]

TBH after reading that I'm even more confused

[Ace Ventura]

Doesnt anyone on here remember last season after we knocke Juve out of the champions league, there were a couple of Torino fans on here thanking us for knocking out "the most corrupt club in football" they were saying that both Juve and Milan are at it with match fixing and that its common knowledge among italian fans.
One of them said something like at least they couldnt bribe there way to the champions league trophy as well.