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Postby Eagle » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:05 pm

Sounds like something his agent has put out to put pressure on the club. I doubt he's going anywhere but agreeing a new contract is going to be tricky. His current contract takes him to 33 and he's reported to be on around 150K a week. Considering the injuries he picks up and his apparent desire to carry on playing international football, I'd be concerned if he signs a new long term contract on a big wage. Would make more sense to start negotiating at the of the season and it wouldn't be the end of the world if we parted ways at the end of his contract in 2023.
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Postby kazza » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:26 pm

Eagle » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:05 am wrote:Sounds like something his agent has put out to put pressure on the club. I doubt he's going anywhere but agreeing a new contract is going to be tricky. His current contract takes him to 33 and he's reported to be on around 150K a week. Considering the injuries he picks up and his apparent desire to carry on playing international football, I'd be concerned if he signs a new long term contract on a big wage. Would make more sense to start negotiating at the of the season and it wouldn't be the end of the world if we parted ways at the end of his contract in 2023.

I still think his game time will decrease and he will want to play every minute he’s fit, so he will not be happy. I think we build a midfield around Fabinho and Thiago and the third midfielder be a hard worker. We lost Gini, and Hendo and Milner are getting older so we really need a young hard working midfielder to replace those three.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:34 pm

He has 2 years left - this is nothing but click bait by Journos


He will either sign a new extension or move to a new challenge - he has had his main career with us
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Postby Eagle » Mon Jul 19, 2021 1:02 pm

It's definitely not click bait. It's reputable journalists who have been briefed by either the club or Henderson's representatives. Not really unusual that this happens during contract negotiations.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:58 pm

He has two years left on his current contract - it’s not newsworthy
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Postby Eagle » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:11 pm

Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:58 pm wrote:He has two years left on his current contract - it’s not newsworthy


I don't think you know what clickbait is.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:52 pm

Eagle » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:11 pm wrote:
Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:58 pm wrote:He has two years left on his current contract - it’s not newsworthy


I don't think you know what clickbait is.



It’s a report from a journalist that has his articles now behind a paywall - by published the little snippet on Twitter it then encourages people to potentially look to subscribe

So yes the article by The Athletic is nothing but click bait to try and get people to subscribe
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Postby kazza » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:00 pm

Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Jul 19, 2021 3:52 pm wrote:
Eagle » Mon Jul 19, 2021 4:11 pm wrote:
Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Jul 19, 2021 2:58 pm wrote:He has two years left on his current contract - it’s not newsworthy


I don't think you know what clickbait is.



It’s a report from a journalist that has his articles now behind a paywall - by published the little snippet on Twitter it then encourages people to potentially look to subscribe

So yes the article by The Athletic is nothing but click bait to try and get people to subscribe

Still, I got it from the Express  :)

Point was now might be a good time to cash in and his stock is high, in a couple of years it will be another Gini situation where we get nothing and he will play less and less.
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:13 pm

There are plenty of contract negotiations going on at Liverpool. For sporting director Michael Edwards, a big part of his work this summer involves retaining the club’s elite talent and protecting their value.

Goalkeeper Alisson is expected to sign a new long-term contract before the start of the new season, as is fellow Brazilian Fabinho. Liverpool are also looking to agree lucrative extensions with Virgil van Dijk, Mohamed Salah and Sadio Mane. They all have deals that run until the summer of 2023. Full-backs Trent Alexander-Arnold and Andrew Robertson have a year longer but their ongoing importance is also set to be recognised.

However, it has gone under the radar somewhat that another inspirational figure has entered the final two years of his existing contract.

For long-serving Liverpool captain Jordan Henderson, the future is far from certain. The Athletic understands that while talks over an extension have taken place during this off-season period, no real progress has been made.

Negotiations haven’t broken down and sources stress that dialogue is ongoing but it’s both a complicated and sensitive situation. The reality is that Liverpool’s owner Fenway Sports Group (FSG) currently has bigger priorities to address in the squad.

Henderson played a crucial role in Liverpool winning the league.
And the uncertainty leaves the door open for suitors of the talismanic midfielder, who celebrated a decade of service to the club last month, when he also turned 31, and is currently on holiday following his run with England to the final of Euro 2020.

There are parallels with Georginio Wijnaldum, who failed to agree fresh terms and ended up leaving when his contract ran out this summer before signing a three-year deal with Paris Saint-Germain.

Liverpool would have considered selling Wijnaldum when he entered his final year last summer to avoid the prospect of losing him for nothing but no such offers were forthcoming.

Wijnaldum is 31 in November and FSG, who have a policy of investing in youth, simply wouldn’t sanction either the wages or the length of deal he was looking for to extend his five-year stay at Anfield. Henderson will be 33 by the time his current contract expires.

PSG coach Mauricio Pochettino is understood to be an admirer of Henderson’s, and the former Tottenham manager is keeping a close eye on developments.

The same goes for Atletico Madrid. Henderson remains good friends with Luis Suarez, who would relish the prospect of being reunited with his former Liverpool team-mate. PSG and Atletico have previous for signing vastly experienced players on big wages, although whether Atletico currently have the finances to do such a deal is unclear.

The way in which Liverpool allowed Wijnaldum’s contract to run down has alerted the market to the fact that Henderson could be available. Jürgen Klopp’s admiration and loyalty to his captain — both as a player and a person — is unwavering. They have a close bond. Klopp credits him with fostering the spirit and unity that helped propel Liverpool to Champions League and Premier League glory. Klopp views Henderson as a role model who sets the standards every day.

If this was Klopp’s call alone, then talks over an extension would have been a formality and an agreement would already have been signed. But Wijnaldum’s exit underlined that the Liverpool manager doesn’t have complete control when it comes to contracts. If he did, the Netherlands international would still be at Anfield because Klopp was desperate to keep him.

Yes, Klopp has an input in the process but ultimately the final say on financial matters rests with FSG president Mike Gordon and Edwards. Liverpool’s ownership doesn’t simply do whatever Klopp wants and the manager accepts that as a healthy state of affairs. Wijnaldum knew how highly the German rated him but left because he didn’t feel valued enough by the club itself. There was disappointment but no animosity or bitterness, as shown by the warm send-off he was given.

For Gordon and Edwards, it’s a delicate balancing act. They have to take the emotion out of these situations.

For a club with a self-sustaining business model, deciding where best to channel their resources is vital. They have to make tough decisions for the greater good of the club, especially as the pandemic has damaged revenue streams and had an impact on the kind of terms they can offer.

Put simply, they can’t just allow the squad to grow old together.

Mane, Salah, Roberto Firmino, Joel Matip and Xherdan Shaqiri are all 29. Van Dijk and Thiago are 30, Henderson is a year older and James Milner, who is set to be out of contract next summer, is 35. Experience is important, especially to help youngsters such as Curtis Jones, 20, and Harvey Elliott, 18, bed in but there needs to be the right blend.

Klopp and Henderson are close but the manager does not have full control over contracts.
Henderson is a huge presence in the dressing room. Vice-captain Milner is another whose long-term future is in doubt but Liverpool are blessed when it comes to leaders. Van Dijk, Salah and Robertson all wear the armband for their country.

A big part of the FSG strategy this summer surrounds player retention. Edwards and Gordon are trying to shape what the squad is going to look like for the next three or four years. Liverpool have bought 22-year-old centre-back Ibrahima Konate from RB Leipzig for £35 million in this window but they aren’t embarking on a major spending spree. Any other business that follows in the current window will be heavily linked to the sales of fringe players such as Harry Wilson and Marko Grujic.

Instead, FSG views 2022 as the year to really start refreshing and regenerating the squad. It believes that by then, the financial impact of the pandemic will have receded and the market will be more settled.

Next summer, as things stand, Naby Keita and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain will be among those entering the final year of their existing deals.

So, where does all that leave Liverpool’s Champions League and Premier League-winning captain? Is FSG really committed to players of his profile?

“It’s the contract that’s been spoken about the least but probably tells the biggest story. This is a critical summer for Jordan,” a source familiar with the situation tells The Athletic.

Henderson himself has kept his own counsel. It’s not his way to agitate. He’s too respectful and puts the team and the club first. But what’s clear is that this isn’t about money, this is about feeling wanted. He knows Klopp’s plan for him, but what about the club? What role do they see for him going forward?

Henderson doesn’t want to be kept around just to give stirring pep talks and help new players settle in. He doesn’t want Liverpool to renew his contract because they think it’s the right thing to do but because they believe he still has much to offer on the pitch in the pursuit of more trophies.

Former Liverpool team-mate and close friend Adam Lallana recently spoke about he feels Henderson is under-appreciated as a player. There is so much focus on his leadership that it detracts from his qualities as an elite midfielder.

Henderson won the 2020 Football Writers’ Association Footballer of the Year award having predominantly played as a No 8 in Liverpool’s title-winning side. Last season then showed his versatility, as he played mainly as a No 6 and filled in at centre-back due to injuries before suffering a torn adductor muscle in his groin, which required surgery in February. The club’s medical and sports science staff were hugely impressed by his dedication and commitment in rehab that enabled him to get back fit in time to play at the Euros.

Henderson, who is eight short of 400 Liverpool appearances, is convinced that his most productive years are ahead of him. He believes he can play at the highest level into his mid-30s and is not interested in a managed decline.

His importance to Liverpool is underlined by the stats.

Going back to the start of 2016-17 and Klopp’s first full season in charge, Liverpool have lost 13 of the 116 league games where Henderson has been in the line-up — that’s 11 per cent. Of the 56 league games they have started without him over that period, they have been beaten 10 times – 18 per cent.

Liverpool have scored an average of 1.27 goals per game when he has started. That figure drops to 0.59 goals per game when he hasn’t.

There are certainly lessons to be learned from how the latter stages of Steven Gerrard’s Liverpool career were handled.

Gerrard was 34 when he announced, in January 2015, that he would be leaving his boyhood club when his contract expired that summer. Disappointment was caused by what Gerrard felt was a half-hearted attempt by the club to keep him on board.

A meeting between his agent Struan Marshall and then-chief executive Ian Ayre to discuss a new deal lasted just 15 minutes. He was offered a one-year extension, but with a 40 per cent wage cut. It was heavily incentivised with performance-related bonuses but then-manager Brendan Rodgers had already informed Gerrard that his game time was going to be reduced.

“It seemed as if I wanted them more than they wanted me,” Gerrard wrote in his autobiography. Gerrard ended his playing career with an 18-month stint at LA Galaxy in Major League Soccer, later admitting he regretted not staying at Liverpool for an extra year as he would have got the chance to play under Klopp.

Henderson hasn’t rejected an offer from Liverpool but, clearly, if what is currently on the table was acceptable then a deal would already have been signed.

Klopp’s captain, who is due to report back for pre-season training in early August after a post-Euro 2020 holiday, is too highly respected to just let the situation drag on for another 12 months and allow his deal to enter its final year.
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Postby Penguins » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:00 am

There is no way he will get a new contract at 33 and if he does it will be like Milner. 1 year deals and for less money.

And I don't like the direction club is taking with all these contracts. What are they thinking?
With the model the owners have going you need to sell to buy.
Mane, Salah, Van Dijk etc have contracts that expires in their 30s.What do you do if you have a brain? You sell them before they turn 32-33 when they value plummet.
No, instead these idiots sign them to new deals until they're 35.
So that mean you'll be stuck with a team that is filled for over the hill 35 year olds, on high unmovable wages and no resale value and then within a couple of years you will be forced to get 5-6 1st team players with no money in the bank.
So foolish...
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Postby Lallana in Pyjamas » Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:45 am

Why would you want to sell them when they still do the jon for the club ?


Christ it wasn’t that long ago people were crying that we were losing are best players and now you’re complainjng that we are giving them new contracts and not cashing in on them


There is no doubt that there will be plan in place to regenerate when required - even more so when they club starts getting the matchday revenue back
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Postby Penguins » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:11 am

Sigh, why not read the whole post before making questions.

1. The owners will not invest money into they club, the club must make all the money itself.
2. The most important way for a club to make big money is to sell players, that is just the way it is. Other revenue streams takes longer time.
3. The only way the club has been able to spend money on really good players is through just that, player sales. With no sales of Suarez and Coutinho, there would be no Van Dijk, Alisson Fabinho etc
4. When does players start losing their value? When they hit 30.
5. If the club want to fight at the top with Manure, City and Chelski in the future they'll need top player, players that are going to be very expensive.
6. There will no way to get that money if no players are sold.
7. If the club keeps all our top players until they're 35, they'll leave on a free giving the club 0 income.
8. The club would fall off a cliff if all off a sudden it would need 5-6 players in on off season with very little money.
9. it's pure delusion to believe you can find cheap 20 year olds that will turn into world beaters in today's footballing world. As soon as a top players comes out of for example Brazil, Argentina etc several clubs will be in on them.....
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Postby kazza » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:22 am

Penguins » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:11 am wrote:Sigh, why not read the whole post before making questions.

1. The owners will not invest money into they club, the club must make all the money itself.
2. The most important way for a club to make big money is to sell players, that is just the way it is. Other revenue streams takes longer time.
3. The only way the club has been able to spend money on really good players is through just that, player sales. With no sales of Suarez and Coutinho, there would be no Van Dijk, Alisson Fabinho etc
4. When does players start losing their value? When they hit 30.
5. If the club want to fight at the top with Manure, City and Chelski in the future they'll need top player, players that are going to be very expensive.
6. There will no way to get that money if no players are sold.
7. If the club keeps all our top players until they're 35, they'll leave on a free giving the club 0 income.
8. The club would fall off a cliff if all off a sudden it would need 5-6 players in on off season with very little money.
9. it's pure delusion to believe you can find cheap 20 year olds that will turn into world beaters in today's footballing world. As soon as a top players comes out of for example Brazil, Argentina etc several clubs will be in on them.....


“ When does players start losing their value? When they hit 30”

They lose more when their contract runs down and they go for free so signing them to long contracts does not mean you will not sell them, it just means you will get more.
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Postby Penguins » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:42 pm

The valuation of a player goes WAY down when a player reach 30+. If a player is worth 100 million when they're 28, they'll be worth 70 when they're 30 and 40 when they're 32.
And when they're 33-34 it's almost pointless to sell them as you'll get 20 million.
This club just can't keep players well into their 30s. You have to be dishonest if you fail to see the problems this would cause....
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Postby damjan193 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:28 pm

I have no problems keeping Hendo until his contract runs down. How much can we sell him for anyway? It's our forwards that need replacing IMO. We should sell at least one of them before their price drops too much, and invest in someone younger with the money we get. If we prolong this for too long, we'll soon find ourselves with 3 30+ forwards with no selling  value whatsoever.
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