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[account deleted by request]

Theres no problem mate, I believe if he cant mount a title challenge in 5 years he should go. Thats my opinion. If you think he should be given as long as it takes to mount a title challenge thats your prerogative. Personally I think if he hasn't managed it by next season the likelyhood of him ever managing it is slim.

As people are happy to keep reminding us Fergie didn't win it for 7 years......... but he did challenge in 2! 

Top and bottom of it is I must have a higher opinion of our team than you. I think they were good enough to challenge, you obviously don't.

Conversely, you must have a higher opinion of Rafa than I do, you must think he did the best he could with a poor set of players, I don't.

You have to remember the injuries we had, though - key players out for a length of time.

Before you say "every team has injuries" - tell me how Man U suffered this year.

I am not an expert on manc injuries , but they have had Neville (out for the season) Silvester (out for the season) Rooney (broken foot?) , Vidic, Giggs, Hargreaves.(all out for long periods.) Van der sar (I think was injured for a while ?)

Patrice Evra Injury Concussion  2008 April 29th
Wayne Rooney Injury Hip/Thigh Injury  2008 April 26th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Concussion  2008 April 26th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Stomach Infection  2008 April 21st
Wayne Rooney Injury Hip/Thigh Injury  2008 April 19th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2008 April 18th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2008 April 7th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Knee Injury  2008 April 3rd
Nani Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2008 March 31st
Ryan Giggs Injury Hamstring Injury  2008 March 30th
Darren Fletcher Injury Knee Injury  2008 March 28th
Louis Saha Injury Hamstring Injury  2008 March 20th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Back Injury  2008 March 17th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2008 March 14th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2008 March 8th
Patrice Evra Injury Virus  2008 February 29th
Ryan Giggs Injury Knee Injury  2008 February 27th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Calf Muscle Strain  2008 February 27th
Louis Saha Injury Cartilage Knee Injury  2008 February 1st
Gary Neville Injury Os Trigonum Syndrome  2008 February 1st
Wayne Rooney Injury Virus  2008 January 2nd
Carlos Tevez Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2008 January 2nd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2007 December 24th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 December 24th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Back Injury  2007 December 24th
John O'Shea Injury Groin Strain  2007 December 14th
Gary Neville Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 December 7th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Back Injury  2007 November 27th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 November 9th
Wayne Rooney Injury Sprained Ankle  2007 November 9th
Gary Neville Injury Calf Muscle Strain  2007 November 6th
Paul Scholes Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 23rd
Nemanja Vidic Injury Concussion  2007 October 19th
John O'Shea Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 October 19th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 10th
Wes Brown Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 5th
Michael Carrick Injury Arm/Elbow Injury  2007 October 4th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Jumpers Knee  2007 October 3rd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 September 30th
Mikael Silvestre Injury ACL Knee Injury  2007 September 17th
Darren Fletcher Injury Broken Leg  2007 September 14th
John O'Shea Injury Knee Injury  2007 September 14th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 September 11th
Ryan Giggs Injury Hamstring Injury  2007 September 3rd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 August 24th
Anderson Injury Hamstring Injury  2007 August 17th
Wayne Rooney Injury Metatarsal Fracture  2007 August 12th
Gary Neville Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 August 10th
Dong Fangzhuo Injury Sprained Ankle  2007 July 30th
Paul Scholes Injury Knee Injury  2007 July 23rd
Owen Hargreaves Injury Jumpers Knee  2007 July 19th
Ben Foster Injury ACL Knee Injury  2007 June 18th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2007 June 15th


Found one

One word Fella obsessed !  you are in dire need of a holiday ,so why don't you pack your bags and go and chill on a beach somewhere ,but don't forget your little stat book or the proverbial soapbox you perpetually take a stance on .
I listen to fans like you at Anfield all the time and while your bleating and whining about our team ,we are being out sung by teams who have never won  sweet fa, but still have the passion to support their team in a show of audible voracity .
I consider your posts, whilst I hasten to add not all, a mite condescending, and to list all The Mancs injuries certainly smacks of desperation .
I suggest you remember the times you so affectionately recollect,, and hark back when true fans frequented our hallowed ground, and acted with the dignity, that used to set us apart from the rest so spectacularly, that our fans were once revered around the world.

I listed all the injuries because I couldn't be bothered to pick out the important ones. Easier to copy and paste than pick them out.

Why should I be desperate, EXCEPT FOR A TITLE CHALLENGE ?
It seems to me its the the ones who think Rafa is some sort of genius that are the desperate ones, as every season we fail miserably in the league and then the excuses start.

It shows the confidence when the excuses have already started without a ball being kicked.

So why don't you go and support one of the teams where expectations are less and they sing so loud if thats what rocks your boat. Myself I am quite happy wanting wishing hoping and dreaming about success for the team I support Liverpool.

If you think 4 seasons without a challenge is success, maybe you should try talking to the people who moan and groan, because they probably remember a time when coming 4th was FAILURE not heralded as some sort of success by know nothing clowns.

[dawson99]

im with s@int on this one. doesnt mean we arent true fans just because we are pi$$ed off with being also rans every season.
we need amanager who can win us the premiership or at leasth ave it so we are still in with a shot by the end of october

[Judge]

Theres no problem mate, I believe if he cant mount a title challenge in 5 years he should go. Thats my opinion. If you think he should be given as long as it takes to mount a title challenge thats your prerogative. Personally I think if he hasn't managed it by next season the likelyhood of him ever managing it is slim.

As people are happy to keep reminding us Fergie didn't win it for 7 years......... but he did challenge in 2! 

Top and bottom of it is I must have a higher opinion of our team than you. I think they were good enough to challenge, you obviously don't.

Conversely, you must have a higher opinion of Rafa than I do, you must think he did the best he could with a poor set of players, I don't.

You have to remember the injuries we had, though - key players out for a length of time.

Before you say "every team has injuries" - tell me how Man U suffered this year.

I am not an expert on manc injuries , but they have had Neville (out for the season) Silvester (out for the season) Rooney (broken foot?) , Vidic, Giggs, Hargreaves.(all out for long periods.) Van der sar (I think was injured for a while ?)

Patrice Evra Injury Concussion  2008 April 29th
Wayne Rooney Injury Hip/Thigh Injury  2008 April 26th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Concussion  2008 April 26th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Stomach Infection  2008 April 21st
Wayne Rooney Injury Hip/Thigh Injury  2008 April 19th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2008 April 18th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2008 April 7th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Knee Injury  2008 April 3rd
Nani Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2008 March 31st
Ryan Giggs Injury Hamstring Injury  2008 March 30th
Darren Fletcher Injury Knee Injury  2008 March 28th
Louis Saha Injury Hamstring Injury  2008 March 20th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Back Injury  2008 March 17th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2008 March 14th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2008 March 8th
Patrice Evra Injury Virus  2008 February 29th
Ryan Giggs Injury Knee Injury  2008 February 27th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Calf Muscle Strain  2008 February 27th
Louis Saha Injury Cartilage Knee Injury  2008 February 1st
Gary Neville Injury Os Trigonum Syndrome  2008 February 1st
Wayne Rooney Injury Virus  2008 January 2nd
Carlos Tevez Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2008 January 2nd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2007 December 24th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 December 24th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Back Injury  2007 December 24th
John O'Shea Injury Groin Strain  2007 December 14th
Gary Neville Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 December 7th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Back Injury  2007 November 27th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 November 9th
Wayne Rooney Injury Sprained Ankle  2007 November 9th
Gary Neville Injury Calf Muscle Strain  2007 November 6th
Paul Scholes Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 23rd
Nemanja Vidic Injury Concussion  2007 October 19th
John O'Shea Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 October 19th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 10th
Wes Brown Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 5th
Michael Carrick Injury Arm/Elbow Injury  2007 October 4th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Jumpers Knee  2007 October 3rd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 September 30th
Mikael Silvestre Injury ACL Knee Injury  2007 September 17th
Darren Fletcher Injury Broken Leg  2007 September 14th
John O'Shea Injury Knee Injury  2007 September 14th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 September 11th
Ryan Giggs Injury Hamstring Injury  2007 September 3rd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 August 24th
Anderson Injury Hamstring Injury  2007 August 17th
Wayne Rooney Injury Metatarsal Fracture  2007 August 12th
Gary Neville Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 August 10th
Dong Fangzhuo Injury Sprained Ankle  2007 July 30th
Paul Scholes Injury Knee Injury  2007 July 23rd
Owen Hargreaves Injury Jumpers Knee  2007 July 19th
Ben Foster Injury ACL Knee Injury  2007 June 18th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2007 June 15th


Found one

One word Fella obsessed !  you are in dire need of a holiday ,so why don't you pack your bags and go and chill on a beach somewhere ,but don't forget your little stat book or the proverbial soapbox you perpetually take a stance on .
I listen to fans like you at Anfield all the time and while your bleating and whining about our team ,we are being out sung by teams who have never won  sweet fa, but still have the passion to support their team in a show of audible voracity .
I consider your posts, whilst I hasten to add not all, a mite condescending, and to list all The Mancs injuries certainly smacks of desperation .
I suggest you remember the times you so affectionately recollect,, and hark back when true fans frequented our hallowed ground, and acted with the dignity, that used to set us apart from the rest so spectacularly, that our fans were once revered around the world.

those injuries are fuck all, ive had all of them and still go to work

[redbeergoggles]

Its obvious your a Google freak ,but instead of shoving useless stats down peoples throats ,try penning a deposition with a tad more substance .
Listen fella (Posts: 11050) concludes this forum is an integral and substantial part of your life ,but not mine I  prefer to offer my support vocally, in a vain attempt to drown out the dissenting voices ,that are growing like a tumor at  my once glorious club.
I suggest you leave your computer and witness how real fans react ,fans that like our illustrious club are steeped in tradition .

[account deleted by request]

Its obvious your a Google freak ,but instead of shoving useless stats down peoples throats ,try penning a deposition with a tad more substance .
Listen fella (Posts: 11050) concludes this forum is an integral and substantial part of your life ,but not mine I  prefer to offer my support vocally, in a vain attempt to drown out the dissenting voices ,that are growing like a tumor at  my once glorious club.
I suggest you leave your computer and witness how real fans react ,fans that like our illustrious club are steeped in tradition .

I would rather be a google freak than just a freak like you, a so called "REAL FAN" that accepts mediocrity and failure and tries to call it success.

The problem with people like you is that just because you are happy with failure, you think that others should be as well, well I for one am not.

I have seen the good times and the bad times and I can't ever remember a time when coming 4th without coming close to a title challenge was accounted success before.

YOU MAKE ME LAUGH - I have been supporting Liverpool for over 40 years and you think I need a know nothing "REAL FAN" to tell me how to support them   

Now run along and sing about the glories of coming 4th or maybe sing about the glories that you have heard about but NEVER SEEN.

I will sit here googling and reliving the titles and cups I have seen us win and looking forward to the next one, rather than defending a season in which we made no challenge and won no cups.

Rather than moaning about "useless stats" maybe you should be questioning the person who moans about our injuries and then says "what injuries have the mancs had"   

Try googling mate, you may find that we used to do quite well in the league, I think we may even have won it once or twice. Of course that was probably before your time 

[Sabre]

The problem with people like you is that just because you are happy with failure, you think that others should be as well, well I for one am not.

S@int, I like to be fair, and I defended very recently your right to criticise the manager, and your right to be concerned.

But, this is the kind of statement that later generates hot discussions, do you honestly think that Redbeergoogles, me, or anyone that is considered a Rafa supporter are happy with failure?

I don't think so. We want Rafa in, because we think he's so far, the most appropiate so that we end the drought of league titles, which is too long.

This incoming season, we'll have either more Rafa supporters if we win the league, or we'll have more Rafa doubters if we fail to challenge, and btw, if this happens, probably the rafa doubters will be more than the rafa trusters. And that's natural.

[account deleted by request]

The problem with people like you is that just because you are happy with failure, you think that others should be as well, well I for one am not.

S@int, I like to be fair, and I defended very recently your right to criticise the manager, and your right to be concerned.

But, this is the kind of statement that later generates hot discussions, do you honestly think that Redbeergoogles, me, or anyone that is considered a Rafa supporter are happy with failure?

I don't think so. We want Rafa in, because we think he's so far, the most appropiate so that we end the drought of league titles, which is too long.

This incoming season, we'll have either more Rafa supporters if we win the league, or we'll have more Rafa doubters if we fail to challenge, and btw, if this happens, probably the rafa doubters will be more than the rafa trusters. And that's natural.

Read his posts again Sabre, he is not talking about our successes or failures, all he is obssessed with is being a so called "REAL FAN" AND HOW LOUDLY WE SING. Personally I prefer to worry about us actually winning something to give us something to sing about, rather than looking with envious eyes at lesser clubs where they sing because they have achieved their "success" by managing to stay in the prem.

[Emerald Red]

I can hear echo's in here.

[Judge]

at MY once glorious club

like MY illustrious club

isnt illustrious similar to glorius when talking about liverpool

which is it mate? you cant seem to make up your mind!


btw, liverpool is both glorious and illustrious, and is blasphemus to say otherwise.

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also, by refering to MY, its not your club you dont own it

[account deleted by request]

at MY once glorious club

like MY illustrious club

isnt illustrious similar to glorius when talking about liverpool

which is it mate? you cant seem to make up your mind!


btw, liverpool is both glorious and illustrious, and is blasphemus to say otherwise.

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also, by refering to MY, its not your club you dont own it

  You never know his last name may be Hicks   

[Emerald Red]

at MY once glorious club

like MY illustrious club

isnt illustrious similar to glorius when talking about liverpool

which is it mate? you cant seem to make up your mind!


btw, liverpool is both glorious and illustrious, and is blasphemus to say otherwise.

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also, by refering to MY, its not your club you dont own it

Well spotted, professor! 

[Bad Bob]

Its obvious your a Google freak ,but instead of shoving useless stats down peoples throats ,try penning a deposition with a tad more substance .
Listen fella (Posts: 11050) concludes this forum is an integral and substantial part of your life ,but not mine I  prefer to offer my support vocally, in a vain attempt to drown out the dissenting voices ,that are growing like a tumor at  my once glorious club.
I suggest you leave your computer and witness how real fans react ,fans that like our illustrious club are steeped in tradition .

You're sticking the boot in pretty hard for someone with 18 posts to his name.*  I suggest you take a breath, relax and do a little research.  Read through some old threads and get a sense of people around here and their views before you jump down their throats--you'll probably find that Saint's a top fella who contributes a hell of a lot to this board.  Even if you don't, I'll insist that you stick to debating the issues rather than start in with the name-calling and the "I'm a better supporter than you" nonsense.  It's not big and it's not clever.





*Unless, of course, you're an alter ego who's come back to reignite an old dispute?

[Lando_Griffin]

Theres no problem mate, I believe if he cant mount a title challenge in 5 years he should go. Thats my opinion. If you think he should be given as long as it takes to mount a title challenge thats your prerogative. Personally I think if he hasn't managed it by next season the likelyhood of him ever managing it is slim.

As people are happy to keep reminding us Fergie didn't win it for 7 years......... but he did challenge in 2! 

Top and bottom of it is I must have a higher opinion of our team than you. I think they were good enough to challenge, you obviously don't.

Conversely, you must have a higher opinion of Rafa than I do, you must think he did the best he could with a poor set of players, I don't.

You have to remember the injuries we had, though - key players out for a length of time.

Before you say "every team has injuries" - tell me how Man U suffered this year.

I am not an expert on manc injuries , but they have had Neville (out for the season) Silvester (out for the season) Rooney (broken foot?) , Vidic, Giggs, Hargreaves.(all out for long periods.) Van der sar (I think was injured for a while ?)

Patrice Evra Injury Concussion  2008 April 29th
Wayne Rooney Injury Hip/Thigh Injury  2008 April 26th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Concussion  2008 April 26th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Stomach Infection  2008 April 21st
Wayne Rooney Injury Hip/Thigh Injury  2008 April 19th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2008 April 18th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2008 April 7th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Knee Injury  2008 April 3rd
Nani Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2008 March 31st
Ryan Giggs Injury Hamstring Injury  2008 March 30th
Darren Fletcher Injury Knee Injury  2008 March 28th
Louis Saha Injury Hamstring Injury  2008 March 20th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Back Injury  2008 March 17th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2008 March 14th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2008 March 8th
Patrice Evra Injury Virus  2008 February 29th
Ryan Giggs Injury Knee Injury  2008 February 27th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Calf Muscle Strain  2008 February 27th
Louis Saha Injury Cartilage Knee Injury  2008 February 1st
Gary Neville Injury Os Trigonum Syndrome  2008 February 1st
Wayne Rooney Injury Virus  2008 January 2nd
Carlos Tevez Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2008 January 2nd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Groin Strain  2007 December 24th
Rio Ferdinand Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 December 24th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Back Injury  2007 December 24th
John O'Shea Injury Groin Strain  2007 December 14th
Gary Neville Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 December 7th
Nemanja Vidic Injury Back Injury  2007 November 27th
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 November 9th
Wayne Rooney Injury Sprained Ankle  2007 November 9th
Gary Neville Injury Calf Muscle Strain  2007 November 6th
Paul Scholes Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 23rd
Nemanja Vidic Injury Concussion  2007 October 19th
John O'Shea Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 October 19th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 10th
Wes Brown Injury Knee Injury  2007 October 5th
Michael Carrick Injury Arm/Elbow Injury  2007 October 4th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Jumpers Knee  2007 October 3rd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 September 30th
Mikael Silvestre Injury ACL Knee Injury  2007 September 17th
Darren Fletcher Injury Broken Leg  2007 September 14th
John O'Shea Injury Knee Injury  2007 September 14th
Owen Hargreaves Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 September 11th
Ryan Giggs Injury Hamstring Injury  2007 September 3rd
Edwin Van Der Sar Injury Ankle/Foot Injury  2007 August 24th
Anderson Injury Hamstring Injury  2007 August 17th
Wayne Rooney Injury Metatarsal Fracture  2007 August 12th
Gary Neville Injury Thigh Muscle Strain  2007 August 10th
Dong Fangzhuo Injury Sprained Ankle  2007 July 30th
Paul Scholes Injury Knee Injury  2007 July 23rd
Owen Hargreaves Injury Jumpers Knee  2007 July 19th
Ben Foster Injury ACL Knee Injury  2007 June 18th
Louis Saha Injury Knee Injury  2007 June 15th


Found one

Ryan Babel Injury Sprained Ankle 2008 May 31st
Fabio Aurelio Injury Groin Strain 2008 April 25th
Steven Gerrard Injury Neck Injury 2008 April 18th
Jermaine Pennant Injury Hamstring Injury 2008 April 7th
Harry Kewell Injury Groin Strain 2008 March 17th
Daniel Agger Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2008 March 14th
Javier Mascherano Injury Leg Muscle Injury 2008 March 7th
Steve Finnan Injury Hamstring Injury 2008 March 4th
Fernando Torres Injury Hamstring Injury 2008 February 7th
Andriy Voronin Injury Knee Injury 2008 February 1st
Alvaro Arbeloa Injury Abdominal Strain 2008 February 1st
Alvaro Arbeloa Injury Virus 2007 December 28th
Sami Hyppia Injury Sprained Ankle 2007 December 28th
Steve Finnan Injury Calf Muscle Strain 2007 December 14th
Jamie Carragher Injury Bruised Ribs 2007 December 2nd
Yossi Benayoun Injury Groin Strain 2007 November 11th
Jermaine Pennant Injury Broken Leg 2007 October 29th
Javier Mascherano Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2007 October 28th
Xabi Alonso Injury Metatarsal Fracture 2007 October 28th
Dirk Kuyt Injury Hamstring Injury 2007 October 19th
Fernando Torres Injury Groin Strain 2007 October 13th
Fabio Aurelio Injury Calf/Shin Injury 2007 October 5th
Xabi Alonso Injury Metatarsal Fracture 2007 September 20th
Daniel Agger Injury Metatarsal Fracture 2007 September 20th
John Arne Riise Injury Groin Strain 2007 September 17th
Momo Sissoko Injury Leg 2007 September 17th
Steve Finnan Injury Knee Injury 2007 September 10th
Sami Hyppia Injury Broken Nose 2007 August 26th
Jamie Carragher Injury Broken Rib 2007 August 26th
Harry Kewell Injury Groin Strain 2007 August 24th
Steven Gerrard Injury Ankle/Foot Injury 2007 August 20th
Harry Kewell Injury Groin Strain 2007 August 17th

Now look at how long each player was out for, when we had players from the same position out at the same time, and who was missing.

The vast (and I mean VAST) majority of the scum's injuries didn't keep them out for any length of time.

As an aside, I can't honestly believe you stooped this low to try and prove the point...

[account deleted by request]

Seems to me you you have stooped just as low mate and without the excuse of making a point. I never said Liverpool haven't had injuries have I?

All teams get injuries, its not something new. The only injury in my estimation that was catastrophic for our season, was the Agger injury. Apart from that its the same old story.

Maybe if we had bought a new CB instead of gambling on getting Heinze last summer even the Agger injury would have been more manageable.

[redbeergoggles]

Its obvious your a Google freak ,but instead of shoving useless stats down peoples throats ,try penning a deposition with a tad more substance .
Listen fella (Posts: 11050) concludes this forum is an integral and substantial part of your life ,but not mine I  prefer to offer my support vocally, in a vain attempt to drown out the dissenting voices ,that are growing like a tumor at  my once glorious club.
I suggest you leave your computer and witness how real fans react ,fans that like our illustrious club are steeped in tradition .

You're sticking the boot in pretty hard for someone with 18 posts to his name.*  I suggest you take a breath, relax and do a little research.  Read through some old threads and get a sense of people around here and their views before you jump down their throats--you'll probably find that Saint's a top fella who contributes a hell of a lot to this board.  Even if you don't, I'll insist that you stick to debating the issues rather than start in with the name-calling and the "I'm a better supporter than you" nonsense.  It's not big and it's not clever.





*Unless, of course, you're an alter ego who's come back to reignite an old dispute?

I am not going to get embroiled in a petty dispute ,Its obvious there is a click on this forum and you will all band together .
I have just received a warning from the moderators so however much I would like to berate. I must decline your kind invitation ,So whilst I read saints  hate filled rants ,I can no longer proffer my opinion as it is deemed to vigorous by the mods.
I wasn't declaring I was a better supporter than anyone else ,just a different one who at 43 yrs has spent 36 of them watching my team,( notice I used the word my again) ,instead of slating them in front of a computer
Another point i must clarify is I am not a newbie and originally had 500 posts before my username became invalid, thus I was forced to re-register Albeit under the same name .