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[48-1119859832]

While name calling is a highly admirable technique  may I suggest using a logical argument.

I watched every single game this year. Including the first twenty in which couch scored a grand total of zero goals while starting every game.  During these games he rarely had a shot on goal and never threatened.

I also watched the 21st game where he lobbed the ball from center half and the keeper pushed into his own net.  The goal was up for debate as to whether it was an own goal or whether Couch deserved it.

Couch's third goal of the season was also up for debate.

Go and check the game stats.  You will see when Cisse started or came on he scored in at least half of those appearances.

This is called logical debate.  Try it

While you are at it you might want to try learning how to spell.  Ridiculous not rediculous.

how reeeeediculus!~!!

Crouch doesn't score 19 goals a season, but he is vastly techincally superior to that of Djibril Cisse. Crouch holds the ball, creates chances, spaces for himself and others, he is a major contributor to the link up and build up play when we are on the attack. Being a striker just isn't about scoring goals, whilst that is an important part it's not the be and end all of things.

Oh and by the way, it's not Couch it's Crouch. 

[clik]

its simple really cisse and crouch  are never gonna be worldbeaters but crouch suits the way Rafa wants to play he likes to bring the midfield into play off a big frontman cisse wasnt that man, Crouch is end of story doesnt mean crouch is better player but better suited to our system.

[tubby]

I think he is a disgrace for going to the press and sky sport news! players should never do that!

I think the world of Rafa dont get me wrong but Cisse has been treated very unfair by him TBH, and he is probably feeling bitter and hurt you cant blame him for that.
He's not the first to go mouthing off to the press and certainly wont be the last.

Good luck Djibs sorry it didnt work out for you.

What you gonna do about your name CGGY? 

[Good Bob]

While name calling is a highly admirable technique  may I suggest using a logical argument.

I watched every single game this year. Including the first twenty in which crouch scored a grand total of zero goals while starting every game.  During these games he rarely had a shot on goal and never threatened.

I also watched the 21st game where he lobbed the ball from center half and the keeper pushed into his own net.  The goal was up for debate as to whether it was an own goal or whether Crouch deserved it.

Crouch's third goal of the season was also up for debate.

Go and check the game stats.  You will see when Cisse started or came on he scored in at least half of those appearances.

This is called logical debate.  Try it

While you are at it you might want to try learning how to spell.  Ridiculous not rediculous.

how reeeeediculus!~!!

Firstly you critisize my spelling then come out with grammar like this?

I also watched the 21st game where he lobbed the ball from center half and the keeper pushed into his own net.  The goal was up for debate as to whether it was an own goal or whether Crouch deserved it.

You then go into the arguement that two of Crouchies goals were debatable? Well the first one against Wigan, was a lob over the keeper which the defender couldn't and didn't get to. The third one was a header which beat Shay Given and Given got a hand to but couldn't keep it out.

Now you're taking away the credibility of Crouchies goals?

Firstly i'll agree. Crouch will never score as many goals as Sissy will. Not in a million years. Because Sissy will shoot on sight and score alot of lucky goals. He'll even shoot when he shouldn't. Now i'm going to use the example of the 7-0 Birmingham game. Sissy had a defender infront of him and yet still chose to hit a shot. One that was scuffed i might add. It went through the defenders legs (poor defending) and then the goalkeeper fumbled it into the back of the net. It was a poor standard of goal. Against a better defender he doesn't get that shot away, against a better goalkeeper the keeper saves that shot. No he can only beat whats there, i agree. However away at old trafford he missed a sitter from 4 yards out because of his constant sulks and moans instead of getting up and getting on with it.

Sissy scored 4 of his 19 goals in the first rounds of the champions league against poor opponents with little skill or ability. His next two goals came in the super cup against Moscow, now, please feel free to correct me, but one of them he handballed to get himself through on goal and the other he needed two attempts to score. Now with a better referee (and that ref was poor) the game stops when he handballs it. Against a better keeper, that second chance that he needed to bury the second goal wouldn't have come about. So his two goals were of a questionable quality and again against very average opposition.

His next goal was a well taken penalty against Birmingham. 14million for a penalty taker. The next a 1-0 win over Blackburn, a free kick if i'm not mistaken that was rolled into his path and he burried. Yet the wall parted like the red see, again against better players, things like that don't happen.

He then sored two goals against Anderlecht, the one at anfield was a poor peice of goalkeeping where the keeper was beaten at his near post and very very slow off his line. The other one of them being a tremendous volley, however, if you look at the goal again you'll see he was unmarked and didn't move, IE he got lucky that everyone around him distracted a poor Marsielle defence. The volley then went over the keeper who went to ground VERY VERY early.

Against Betis he didn't play but i do remember the excellent move that was initiated by Crouchie for Luis Garcia's goal in that game.

The next one was against Portsmouth, it was meant to be a cross and it dropped into the net.

So far, worth every penny of the 14million then yeah? Great goals and difficult ones against all the best sides... 

The next one was against Everton. While it was a great finish and i take my hat off as it was a finish i didn't know he had in him, it was one he's only shown once and one he was lucky to get the chance with. Wier slipped and let him in on goal. Had Wier kept his footing it was a simple challenge and Sissy wouldn't have had the chance.

The next against Newcastle i can't remember. But i do remember Gerrard's goal and i remember Crouchies part in that goal aswell.

The next one was against Birmingham, i've covered that one already.

The one against West Brom again i'll say well done. It was a good run, good control on the knee and a good finish to beat the keeper, however West Brom were poor down the side Cisse was playing on that day. It worked though and he scored a good goal.

The two against West ham i remember one beating Hislop at his near post from 25 yards out. Sorry, poor goalkeeping. Not a quality goal yet again. The one against Portsmouth i can't remember and the one in the cup final was world class alround.

So all in all he's scored three good goals. A couple of penalties, a few goals against the worst opposition he's ever likely to play against and about 7 or 8 lucky goals and a couple of oppurtunist goals. He failed to score against the Boltons, Tottenhams, Man Utds, Chelsea's and Arsenal's of the league and his alround play in alot of games was absoloutely none existant.

His petulance and non stop moaning winds the fans up, his inability to spot simple passes and do the most basic of things like passing to Fowler when the whole ground can hear him screaming for the ball when he's in 10 yards of space 18 yards out winds the fans up, his attitude on the pitch winds the fans up and most importantly, out manager thinks he's a bag of .

How's that for logical debate?

[kazza]

While name calling is a highly admirable technique  may I suggest using a logical argument.

I watched every single game this year. Including the first twenty in which crouch scored a grand total of zero goals while starting every game.  During these games he rarely had a shot on goal and never threatened.

I also watched the 21st game where he lobbed the ball from center half and the keeper pushed into his own net.  The goal was up for debate as to whether it was an own goal or whether Crouch deserved it.

Crouch's third goal of the season was also up for debate.

Go and check the game stats.  You will see when Cisse started or came on he scored in at least half of those appearances.

This is called logical debate.  Try it

While you are at it you might want to try learning how to spell.  Ridiculous not rediculous.

how reeeeediculus!~!!

Firstly you critisize my spelling then come out with grammar like this?

I also watched the 21st game where he lobbed the ball from center half and the keeper pushed into his own net.  The goal was up for debate as to whether it was an own goal or whether Crouch deserved it.

You then go into the arguement that two of Crouchies goals were debatable? Well the first one against Wigan, was a lob over the keeper which the defender couldn't and didn't get to. The third one was a header which beat Shay Given and Given got a hand to but couldn't keep it out.

Now you're taking away the credibility of Crouchies goals?

Firstly i'll agree. Crouch will never score as many goals as Sissy will. Not in a million years. Because Sissy will shoot on sight and score alot of lucky goals. He'll even shoot when he shouldn't. Now i'm going to use the example of the 7-0 Birmingham game. Sissy had a defender infront of him and yet still chose to hit a shot. One that was scuffed i might add. It went through the defenders legs (poor defending) and then the goalkeeper fumbled it into the back of the net. It was a poor standard of goal. Against a better defender he doesn't get that shot away, against a better goalkeeper the keeper saves that shot. No he can only beat whats there, i agree. However away at old trafford he missed a sitter from 4 yards out because of his constant sulks and moans instead of getting up and getting on with it.

Sissy scored 4 of his 19 goals in the first rounds of the champions league against poor opponents with little skill or ability. His next two goals came in the super cup against Moscow, now, please feel free to correct me, but one of them he handballed to get himself through on goal and the other he needed two attempts to score. Now with a better referee (and that ref was poor) the game stops when he handballs it. Against a better keeper, that second chance that he needed to bury the second goal wouldn't have come about. So his two goals were of a questionable quality and again against very average opposition.

His next goal was a well taken penalty against Birmingham. 14million for a penalty taker. The next a 1-0 win over Blackburn, a free kick if i'm not mistaken that was rolled into his path and he burried. Yet the wall parted like the red see, again against better players, things like that don't happen.

He then sored two goals against Anderlecht, the one at anfield was a poor peice of goalkeeping where the keeper was beaten at his near post and very very slow off his line. The other one of them being a tremendous volley, however, if you look at the goal again you'll see he was unmarked and didn't move, IE he got lucky that everyone around him distracted a poor Marsielle defence. The volley then went over the keeper who went to ground VERY VERY early.

Against Betis he didn't play but i do remember the excellent move that was initiated by Crouchie for Luis Garcia's goal in that game.

The next one was against Portsmouth, it was meant to be a cross and it dropped into the net.

So far, worth every penny of the 14million then yeah? Great goals and difficult ones against all the best sides... 

The next one was against Everton. While it was a great finish and i take my hat off as it was a finish i didn't know he had in him, it was one he's only shown once and one he was lucky to get the chance with. Wier slipped and let him in on goal. Had Wier kept his footing it was a simple challenge and Sissy wouldn't have had the chance.

The next against Newcastle i can't remember. But i do remember Gerrard's goal and i remember Crouchies part in that goal aswell.

The next one was against Birmingham, i've covered that one already.

The one against West Brom again i'll say well done. It was a good run, good control on the knee and a good finish to beat the keeper, however West Brom were poor down the side Cisse was playing on that day. It worked though and he scored a good goal.

The two against West ham i remember one beating Hislop at his near post from 25 yards out. Sorry, poor goalkeeping. Not a quality goal yet again. The one against Portsmouth i can't remember and the one in the cup final was world class alround.

So all in all he's scored three good goals. A couple of penalties, a few goals against the worst opposition he's ever likely to play against and about 7 or 8 lucky goals and a couple of oppurtunist goals. He failed to score against the Boltons, Tottenhams, Man Utds, Chelsea's and Arsenal's of the league and his alround play in alot of games was absoloutely none existant.

His petulance and non stop moaning winds the fans up, his inability to spot simple passes and do the most basic of things like passing to Fowler when the whole ground can hear him screaming for the ball when he's in 10 yards of space 18 yards out winds the fans up, his attitude on the pitch winds the fans up and most importantly, out manager thinks he's a bag of .

How's that for logical debate?

Yeah but tell us how you really feel

[48-1119859832]

Whilst I agree with your post Stu, you're making out that Cisse's goals weren't important to our campaign when they cleary were. Every goal counts, no matter how they are scored. I'd also like to add that whilst Cisse scored 19 goals he also showed that he's an individual player, if someone else is in a better position, he won't bother passing to them/ as well as probably not seeing them and has a shot. His allround techincal game is woeful. 

[Bad Bob]

Sorry but how is it that you rate crouch higher than cisse.  I've still seen no evidence.  Bring it if you know so much.

Christ on a bike, the "at least Cisse's better than Crouch" sh!te again?

This one's been done to death, mate--your avatar says you joined almost 3 years ago but where have you been?  If it's evidence you want, why don't you take the time to read back through the numerous Cisse threads on these boards?  You'll find many, many cogent, logical and, IMO, irrefutable arguments explaining why Crouch brings more to the team than Cisse.  Stu, no doubt, will be game to enlighten you but for the rest of us, this debate is boring!     

[bedlovedays]

It's poor for a logical debate because you can say the same for many of Crouch's Goals.

To correct you, the keeper put the ball in on crouch's first goal.  Instead of clearing it over the bar he shovelled it into his own net.  I could go on and on with Crouch's other goals but what's the point.  At the  end of the day a striker's job is to put the ball into the net.

Do you believe in a million years that Crouch will score more than 19 this year as a striker?  Furthermore, how many do you figure he would get playing out on the wing!

How do you justify Crouch's first twenty games without a goal.

Crouch does nothing but bring long balls down and pass them back to the midfield.  He creates nothing, never gets infront of defenders on crosses, never makes a good pass, never brings anyone into the play and never scores!

Let's see what happens this season!

[JC_81]

Crouch does nothing but bring long balls down and pass them back to the midfield.  He creates nothing, never gets infront of defenders on crosses, never makes a good pass, never brings anyone into the play and never scores!

Behave yourself

[kazza]

It's poor for a logical debate because you can say the same for many of Crouch's Goals.

To correct you, the keeper put the ball in on crouch's first goal.  Instead of clearing it over the bar he shovelled it into his own net.  I could go on and on with Crouch's other goals but what's the point.  At the  end of the day a striker's job is to put the ball into the net.

Do you believe in a million years that Crouch will score more than 19 this year as a striker?  Furthermore, how many do you figure he would get playing out on the wing!

How do you justify Crouch's first twenty games without a goal.

Crouch does nothing but bring long balls down and pass them back to the midfield.  He creates nothing, never gets infront of defenders on crosses, never makes a good pass, never brings anyone into the play and never scores!

Let's see what happens this season!

If I remember correctly Crouch had a couple of goals disallowed harshly before he actually scored (goal in question) so it evens out over a season.

From what I remember of the first goal, it would have been a good save to stop the goal as it was not as easy as shovelling it over the bar.

[kunilson]

i know fowler had a couple of goals disallowed harshly....but cant remember crouch having many disallowed.....but the goal after that lampard-esque deflected goal was a great finish.

[Penguins]

It's poor for a logical debate because you can say the same for many of Crouch's Goals.

To correct you, the keeper put the ball in on crouch's first goal.  Instead of clearing it over the bar he shovelled it into his own net.  I could go on and on with Crouch's other goals but what's the point.  At the  end of the day a striker's job is to put the ball into the net.

Do you believe in a million years that Crouch will score more than 19 this year as a striker?  Furthermore, how many do you figure he would get playing out on the wing!

How do you justify Crouch's first twenty games without a goal.

Crouch does nothing but bring long balls down and pass them back to the midfield.  He creates nothing, never gets infront of defenders on crosses, never makes a good pass, never brings anyone into the play and never scores!

Let's see what happens this season!

You must be totally clueless.
Cissé has the footballing brain of a peanut.
He can´t dribble ever. He is selfish and makes a pass every 10th game. He sulks all the time when he doesn't get the inch perfect pass. He runs offside 1000 times a season. Can't read play at all, be it from teammates or opponents.

Goes for power in 999 times out of a 1000. Has basically one move. Kick the ball ahead 10 yards and run after it to get by defenders. When he is 40 yards from goal he still goes for the shot even when teammates are around.
Never scores vs top opposition cause he is so easy to disposses. And football is a team game, something he obviously doesn't get. U attack and score as a team and you defend and prevent opponent from scoring as a team.
Due to his selfish behaviour he shots all the time and sure some goes in, but he does so much damage for the team.
All these offsides, stupid decisions to shoot from everywhere and the fact that he losses the ball in all situations, means Liverpool losses possession and has to spend more time defending and are more vurnurable to counter attacks.
And what's worse, never works hard and tries to track back to regain possession.

Crouch understands the football is a team game, works hard for the team, tries to hold up play and keep the ball within the team so all teammates can join in on the attack.
He picks his spots, when to shot, pass and make plays.
Has decent skills and can get past a defender more than one way. He gets offside very seldom and always try his best and won't sulk and complain when things doesn't go his way.

Rafa believes in a team game. Cissé is no team player!
Get that through your thick skull!!!

[Good Bob]

Crouch does nothing but bring long balls down and pass them back to the midfield.  He creates nothing, never gets infront of defenders on crosses, never makes a good pass, never brings anyone into the play and never scores!

Let's see what happens this season!

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[Good Bob]

It's poor for a logical debate because you can say the same for many of Crouch's Goals.

To correct you, the keeper put the ball in on crouch's first goal.  Instead of clearing it over the bar he shovelled it into his own net.  I could go on and on with Crouch's other goals but what's the point.  At the  end of the day a striker's job is to put the ball into the net.

Do you believe in a million years that Crouch will score more than 19 this year as a striker?  Furthermore, how many do you figure he would get playing out on the wing!

How do you justify Crouch's first twenty games without a goal.

Crouch does nothing but bring long balls down and pass them back to the midfield.  He creates nothing, never gets infront of defenders on crosses, never makes a good pass, never brings anyone into the play and never scores!

Let's see what happens this season!

Do you know what... I'm not for this arguement, Its lame and pathetic, but theres a time and a place for everything.

Do you know more than Rafael Benitez?

[Lando_Griffin]

It's poor for a logical debate because you can say the same for many of Crouch's Goals.

To correct you, the keeper put the ball in on crouch's first goal.  Instead of clearing it over the bar he shovelled it into his own net.  I could go on and on with Crouch's other goals but what's the point.  At the  end of the day a striker's job is to put the ball into the net.

Do you believe in a million years that Crouch will score more than 19 this year as a striker?  Furthermore, how many do you figure he would get playing out on the wing!

How do you justify Crouch's first twenty games without a goal.

Crouch does nothing but bring long balls down and pass them back to the midfield.  He creates nothing, never gets infront of defenders on crosses, never makes a good pass, never brings anyone into the play and never scores!

Let's see what happens this season!

I take it Crouch didn't score 16 goals in 24 games in his last season at Southampton then?

You lampnoodle.