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[Greavesie]

'negrito' means mate where he's from doesn't it? I don't know how it translates literally but its also a term of endearment isnt it? I thought it meant pal or something?

Personally, I think if its racist to point out that a black man is black then the world has gone mental

The whole thing is pretty mental tbh - Terry doesn't hate Anton Ferdinand because he's black, he hates him cos he's a kunt. If he was fat it would have been fat kunt. Why must we walk on egg shells when it comes to this stuff?

The one in the non-league match tho, that was racist. Dunno if anyone read about that one tho

[Thommo's perm]

Wikipedia:

"...in Spanish-speaking countries such as Argentina, Chile, and Uruguay where there are few people of African origin and appearance, negro (negra for females) is commonly used to refer to partners, close friends or people in general independent of skin color"

"...the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning "pal", "buddy" or "friend". Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to "sweetheart," or "dear" in English"

[lakes10]

oh well , hope they dont hit him with a ten game ban.

[Greavesie]

oh well , hope they dont hit him with a ten game ban.

they shouldn't be hitting him with anything! He's effectively being charged here for speaking in his native tongue

"...the diminutive negrito is used, as a term of endearment meaning "pal", "buddy" or "friend". Negrito has come to be used to refer to a person of any ethnicity or color, and also can have a sentimental or romantic connotation similar to "sweetheart," or "dear" in English"

see now in English if he was calling him 'sweetheart' I can see that winding Evra up as well...

Question is did Suarez know what he was doing? That's one word against another and no evidence will show anything

[parchpea]

Be interesting to see what evidence the FA has to charge him but thats for later. Evra is also very sensitive and frankly it wouldnt take much to upset the lad. Not sure if the mancs have influenced this but anythings possible in football politics and I would bet a decent amount Terry will get off scott free when they get round to that one.

[Greavesie]

Be interesting to see what evidence the FA has to charge him but thats for later. Evra is also very sensitive and frankly it wouldnt take much to upset the lad. Not sure if the mancs have influenced this but anythings possible in football politics and I would bet a decent amount Terry will get off scott free when they get round to that one.

Personally, I think both charges are being blown massively out of proportion

[Thommo's perm]

Terry was quite clearly seen to say "black cu'nt"
Suarezes case could be one persons word against another.
If his culture sees "negrito" as a term of endearment then he should walk and Evra should apologise

[Greavesie]

Terry was quite clearly seen to say "black cu'nt"
Suarezes case could be one persons word against another.
If his culture sees "negrito" as a term of endearment then he should walk and Evra should apologise

I get that part but what does it show about Terry being racist tho? If Terry called him a kunt thats ok? But once the black part enters the fray the coppers get involved and everyone goes -a-hoop?

That's where I'm struggling mate. I'm not the most PC person in the world I'm just working off principle here. If Anton was fat and Terry called him a fat kunt does that mean Terry hates fat people and should be investigated on his propensity to offend and discriminate against everyone overweight?

[Fowler_E7]

Terry was quite clearly seen to say "black cu'nt"
Suarezes case could be one persons word against another.
If his culture sees "negrito" as a term of endearment then he should walk and Evra should apologise

I get that part but what does it show about Terry being racist tho? If Terry called him a kunt thats ok? But once the black part enters the fray the coppers get involved and everyone goes -a-hoop?

That's where I'm struggling mate. I'm not the most PC person in the world I'm just working off principle here. If Anton was fat and Terry called him a fat kunt does that mean Terry hates fat people?

i never understand this argument, if you call someone a black c.unt you are quite clearly using racist language, because u are making reference to there ethnicity in an insulting way

[redtrader74]

This is hugely blown out of proportion negrito is what it is in South America, he can't be done for not being born here. Reminds of years ago as a kid when I used to help my uncle on his market stall, he used I have shoes made in Spain and on the front of the boxes it used to say negro for the Black ones, try selling them in Hackney, btw no one was ever offended, although these days the pc brigade would have us in the dock.

[Thommo's perm]

Terry was quite clearly seen to say "black cu'nt"
Suarezes case could be one persons word against another.
If his culture sees "negrito" as a term of endearment then he should walk and Evra should apologise

I get that part but what does it show about Terry being racist tho? If Terry called him a kunt thats ok? But once the black part enters the fray the coppers get involved and everyone goes -a-hoop?

That's where I'm struggling mate. I'm not the most PC person in the world I'm just working off principle here. If Anton was fat and Terry called him a fat kunt does that mean Terry hates fat people?

The principle is that people shouldnt be discriminated against because of their colour, sexuality, place of origin, religion or physical appearance (are there any more?)
Therefore black tw@t, queer tw@t, French tw@t, Protestant tw@t or fat tw@t are seen as very derogatory because the act of being a tw@t is strengthened or heightened by the adjective in front of it.
It is astounding how some people react to some words and though I agree that it is not pleasant to be called such names, I see your point that it can be blown out of all proportion.

[Greavesie]

Terry was quite clearly seen to say "black cu'nt"
Suarezes case could be one persons word against another.
If his culture sees "negrito" as a term of endearment then he should walk and Evra should apologise

I get that part but what does it show about Terry being racist tho? If Terry called him a kunt thats ok? But once the black part enters the fray the coppers get involved and everyone goes -a-hoop?

That's where I'm struggling mate. I'm not the most PC person in the world I'm just working off principle here. If Anton was fat and Terry called him a fat kunt does that mean Terry hates fat people?

i never understand this argument, if you call someone a black c.unt you are quite clearly using racist language, because u are making reference to there ethnicity in an insulting way

I dunno, maybe I've just never given racism as much focus in my life. If I go out and meet someone, one the first things I'd notice is if someone was black, or if they were from China. That's how people work, appearances.

By saying by phone is being 'gay' because it's not working am I degrading all gay people, don't like them and am likely to offend them?

I just don't understand why racism is put under the microscope that's all. I've never encountered any sort of racism in my life. I've got a few black friends and we take the p!ss out of each other purely based on our appearances sometimes. Not to offend each other, just general banter.

[redtrader74]

Terry was quite clearly seen to say "black cu'nt"
Suarezes case could be one persons word against another.
If his culture sees "negrito" as a term of endearment then he should walk and Evra should apologise

I get that part but what does it show about Terry being racist tho? If Terry called him a kunt thats ok? But once the black part enters the fray the coppers get involved and everyone goes -a-hoop?

That's where I'm struggling mate. I'm not the most PC person in the world I'm just working off principle here. If Anton was fat and Terry called him a fat kunt does that mean Terry hates fat people?

i never understand this argument, if you call someone a black c.unt you are quite clearly using racist language, because u are making reference to there ethnicity in an insulting way

Grey area really, if Terry thinks black people in general are then it's racist, other than that saying it is probably just designed to someone off or heat of the moment. I remember a cricket match where an Indian player called the Aussie Symonds a monkey, it was held up as a racist issue, it transpired he was actually saying something in his language which translates to 'your mums a xxxxx', and was effectively let off, it depends on what I you find more offensive?

[Greavesie]

Terry was quite clearly seen to say "black cu'nt"
Suarezes case could be one persons word against another.
If his culture sees "negrito" as a term of endearment then he should walk and Evra should apologise

I get that part but what does it show about Terry being racist tho? If Terry called him a kunt thats ok? But once the black part enters the fray the coppers get involved and everyone goes -a-hoop?

That's where I'm struggling mate. I'm not the most PC person in the world I'm just working off principle here. If Anton was fat and Terry called him a fat kunt does that mean Terry hates fat people?

The principle is that people shouldnt be discriminated against because of their colour, sexuality, place of origin, religion or physical appearance (are there any more?)
Therefore black tw@t, queer tw@t, French tw@t, Protestant tw@t or fat tw@t are seen as very derogatory because the act of being a tw@t is strengthened or heightened by the adjective in front of it.
It is astounding how some people react to some words and though I agree that it is not pleasant to be called such names, I see your point that it can be blown out of all proportion.

that's probably worded better than I'm capable of 

out of all the examples you've used only one of them would get this sort of attention and that's pretty much what I'm getting at.

I find the number of views people have regarding this stuff very interesting, provided it doesn't get heated and accusations start flying 

[Greavesie]

Terry was quite clearly seen to say "black cu'nt"
Suarezes case could be one persons word against another.
If his culture sees "negrito" as a term of endearment then he should walk and Evra should apologise

I get that part but what does it show about Terry being racist tho? If Terry called him a kunt thats ok? But once the black part enters the fray the coppers get involved and everyone goes -a-hoop?

That's where I'm struggling mate. I'm not the most PC person in the world I'm just working off principle here. If Anton was fat and Terry called him a fat kunt does that mean Terry hates fat people?

i never understand this argument, if you call someone a black c.unt you are quite clearly using racist language, because u are making reference to there ethnicity in an insulting way

Grey area really, if Terry thinks black people in general are then it's racist, other than that saying it is probably just designed to someone off or heat of the moment. I remember a cricket match where an Indian player called the Aussie Symonds a monkey, it was held up as a racist issue, it transpired he was actually saying something in his language which translates to 'your mums a xxxxx', and was effectively let off, it depends on what I you find more offensive?

haha racism is not allowed but by all means call his mother what you please!