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by **GYBS** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:33 pm

yeah he has played a few in a row lately but how long will that last until he breaks down once again ? Jesus we constantly slagged off kewell for always being injured , well owen is just as bad .

by **Scottbot** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:38 pm

GYBS wrote:yeah he has played a few in a row lately but how long will that last until he breaks down once again ? Jesus we constantly slagged off kewell for always being injured , well owen is just as bad .

feel free to address my post. Where's the risk for 2-3-4 mill?

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:47 pm

Scottbot wrote:
GYBS wrote:yeah he has played a few in a row lately but how long will that last until he breaks down once again ? Jesus we constantly slagged off kewell for always being injured , well owen is just as bad .

feel free to address my post. Where's the risk for 2-3-4 mill?

The risk is wages.

He is on over £100,000 a week. Even offering him a contract of £60,000 a week is a risk considering his injury record over the past couple of years.

by **GYBS** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:48 pm

and how do you know he will be that much ? I expect other teams will come in for him and the fee will be 5 mil plus or newcastle wont sell as they would rather keep him to save 20 mil they would loose from going down . And we cant afford to flutter 4 to 5 mil on someone who could just as easily spend the rest of the season injured

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:50 pm

If he comes on a very, very, very basic rate (wages) and for less than £5 million it would be a great deal.

by **Scottbot** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:54 pm

GYBS wrote:and how do you know he will be that much ? I expect other teams will come in for him and the fee will be 5 mil plus or newcastle wont sell as they would rather keep him to save 20 mil they would loose from going down . And we cant afford to flutter 4 to 5 mil on someone who could just as easily spend the rest of the season injured

Don;t answer a question with a question. If you read the previous post you would see that i've stated QUITE CLEARLY that he COULD (please note it's just speculation) go for anything between £2-7 million (if at all). As for "fluttering" 4 to 5 million on a player who could be injured for the rest of the season, how about fluttering £7 million on a player we would (probably) all prefer to be injured for the rest of the season.

by **Scottbot** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:56 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
GYBS wrote:yeah he has played a few in a row lately but how long will that last until he breaks down once again ? Jesus we constantly slagged off kewell for always being injured , well owen is just as bad .

feel free to address my post. Where's the risk for 2-3-4 mill?

The risk is wages.

He is on over £100,000 a week. Even offering him a contract of £60,000 a week is a risk considering his injury record over the past couple of years.

It's a good point mate so I would guess a % of the wages would need to be based on fitness and appearances.

by **GYBS** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 6:58 pm

in answer to your question yes it is too big a risk when we dont have that much money to spend on fees and wages. And secondly the fact a liverpool fan suggests wanting a liverpool player injured is f.u.cking disgraceful .

by **GYBS** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:01 pm

also people seem to think owen is like fowler but they are totally different . Fowler would of played for free and jumped at the chance to come back owen would only do it if it was beneficial to him and him only . The only loyalty owen has is to himself .

by **Scottbot** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:12 pm

GYBS wrote:And secondly the fact a liverpool fan suggests wanting a liverpool player injured is f.u.cking disgraceful .

Spare me the sanctimonious B.S. I'm simply putting the point across that he (Dossena) is a very poor player who cost £7 million pounds and that I would be happier if he doesn't play for LFC again this season. I'm trying to make the point that a fee of 4-5 mill on Owen (if it was do-able) would hardly constitute much of a risk (particularly if the wages were in-part fitness related), particularly when you compare that fee to the money wasted on Dossena. I'd also ask, who else could you buy for that sort of money? What does 4-5 even 6-7 million get you these days? Especially in January, not a lot.

I am beginning to see why a lot of people on here fall out with you.

by **tubby** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:19 pm

Yeah same here. I would hope something happened to Dossena at least that way Insua would get more of a look in.

by **DanAn** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 7:56 pm

Owens injuries are massively overstated and a bit of a myth. It's not like he has a degenorating condition. He's had two ,ajor injuries in his 11 year career, a broken metatarsal and an ACL. The first one probaby caused the 2nd too. If you take those two unfortunate injuries out he's actual reasonably durable and consistently scores. He's played 399 games in 11 years for 203 goals. I reckon the guy is about too take off again too.

by **boodiddy1** » Sun Dec 14, 2008 8:01 pm

If we can get mike back for 5m less then it has to be a good deal for all concerned.

Owen was class for us and still is a great finisher. Just what we need. Both Xabi, stevie will thrive off putting the lad through. Even keane will prosper as owen makes the runs that split open defences.

What about a torres owen partnership? Very lethal. Owen coming back just might make the difference.

Even give them penant as a freebie. The deal must be made.

by **ConnO'var** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:12 am

s@int wrote:Good post Conn, needless to say I disagree with you , but at least you put FOOTBALL reasons for your reluctance.

Owen has always been not only a speed merchant but has great movement in and around the box. He creates space for himself a lot of the time by the way he runs.....stops.....then runs again. His positional play is exceptional, you don't happen to be in the right place at the right time as often as he does without it.

Since he lost his blistering pace he has changed his style quite a bit, looking to get infront of his marker more and take early options rather than beating his man. I think that we create enough chances and half chances to make his return worthwhile, with the added bonus that IF he manages to click with Torres they could become an astonishing goalscoring partnership.

Yesterday the ball fell to Kuyt 3 times in the penalty area, and 3 times his first touch killed any chance of a goal. Just try that with Owen

Agree [email]S@int.....[/email] They COULD become an exceptional strike partnership. I just don't see it happening because the space that Michael creates for himself is a direct result of movement off the ball. And in order for that to happen someone needs to hold it up for him to divert the attention away from him. All he needs is a split second and a half a yard and he'll put it in the onion bag..

The question is really.... who is going to perform that role for him? Don't see Torres being able to do that role.... it's not his natural game.

As I said, without a hold up man, on the break and on the move... Michael and Fernando together upfront would be devastating.... This would work a treat against the strong teams but against the weaker teams who clog the midfield and slow the pace of the game down, we'd have problems without effective width OR creative play OR a hold up man to create space in a congested box.

That's my take on it at any rate.....

And you are right.... if those chances had fallen to Owen instead of Kuyt against Hull, we'd be 4 points clear of Chelsea right now. The thing to remember is that Kuyt was on his own. In a 4-5-1.... Owen would do well. In a 4-4-2, he needs something different to what Torres offers. We've seen this before when he partnered Fowler.... was not as effective as we all thought it would be at the time..... Similar (but not exactly the same) is likely to occur with Torres...

Having said that, Torres has done well with David Silva for Spain so I could be very, very wrong.

by **Agger's Sleeve** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:22 am

we wont need owen in january anyway as we will have torres back by then :;):

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