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[Benny The Noon]

Presuming Kelly is seen predominately as a right back, then we still have 5 centre backs who are in their 20s or 30s (Agger, Toure, Skrtel, Coates, Wisdom), and with no Europe this season, I can’t see us brining any centre backs in unless we move someone out first.

I think Skrtel is definitely on his way out and I expect followed by Coates - that would leave us with 3 and only two established . I wouldn't want to start the season with Toure and Agger as the starting cb's

[Redman in wales]

I think the club do want to upgrade on Skrtel and Coates, which would allow a bid for Papa' or whoever - but they need a bid to come in first, and so far, no bids have. Until that happens, I can't see us bidding for another CB, so would expect it to go all quiet on the CB front until we can get ris of one first

[Benny The Noon]

I think the club do want to upgrade on Skrtel and Coates, which would allow a bid for Papa' or whoever - but they need a bid to come in first, and so far, no bids have. Until that happens, I can't see us bidding for another CB, so would expect it to go all quiet on the CB front until we can get ris of one first

Thought Skrtel was pretty much gone ?

[SouthCoastShankly]

I think the club do want to upgrade on Skrtel and Coates, which would allow a bid for Papa' or whoever - but they need a bid to come in first, and so far, no bids have. Until that happens, I can't see us bidding for another CB, so would expect it to go all quiet on the CB front until we can get ris of one first

Agreed.

The club will NOT allow the departure of two centre backs without being 100% sure of replacements to arrive prior to the start of the season (assume the same for Suarez). We have learnt our lessons from the start of last season and the striker debacle.

[Benny The Noon]

So we just stick with players that aren't good enough ? Get players in first then get rid of the players we don't need or aren't good enough or who BR doesn't rate. CB has been a obvious problem yet still not being solved unless BR believes that Toure solves our problems.

It seems that we are waiting for players to leave to then allow money to be spent despite a net spend of just £2mil this summer so far. Do we need to sell to buy ? Pappadoulus has been there all summer just waiting to be bought - if we want him then go get him

[Redman in wales]

well - there could be all sorts of problems with the papa deal, not least concerns about his injury - we just dont know.

Skrtel - who knows, some Italian media are claiming it's near done, but not read anything concrete on it, so could be true - could be usual media rumour. After he goes I imagine a bid for a new CB, but not until he goes.

We have 5 CB's, so maybe they are looking at selling to buy from a numbers / wages point of view as well as a cash for transfers view. If Toure is showing enough to be an improvement on last years back line, I guess it's less of a priority until we sell.

I think the majority of us on here think  central defence needs to be improved, myself include, but none of us see what's going on in training, and how Toure is fairing. He hasn't really been tested in the friendlies thus far, so it's really hard for us to give an imformed opinion - we just have to base things on the little we've seen and his Man City form. If he's excelling in training against the likes of Suarez and Sterling and co, maybe he is good enough to start alongside Agger.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Reds to step up Diego Costa pursuit
Reds cool on left back Lorenzo Melgarejo

LIVERPOOL will step up their pursuit of Atletico Madrid striker Diego Costa this week but Brendan Rodgers has shelved plans to sign Benfica left-back Lorenzo Melgarejo.

The Reds tabled a bid of £21.8million for Costa last week and hope Atletico will grant them permission to hold talks with the Brazil international.

Costa, who played for Atletico against Nacional in the final friendly of their tour of South America yesterday, has already indicated he's keen on making the move to Anfield.

However, Melgarejo won't be signing for Liverpool. The Reds had agreed a season-long loan deal in principle with a view to a permanent transfer next summer and were expected to apply for a work permit.

But Rodgers' interest in the Paraguayan defender has cooled and he intends to look elsewhere for left-back cover. Granada'sGuilherme Siqueira and Valencia's Aly Cissokho are under consideration.


So Melgarejo is no longer required ,and Costa apparently wants to move to the reds.....more twists and turns in Liverpools transfer saga's.   




http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-step-up-diego-5586865?

[Kenny Kan]

So we just stick with players that aren't good enough ? Get players in first then get rid of the players we don't need or aren't good enough or who BR doesn't rate. CB has been a obvious problem yet still not being solved unless BR believes that Toure solves our problems.

It seems that we are waiting for players to leave to then allow money to be spent despite a net spend of just £2mil this summer so far. Do we need to sell to buy ? Pappadoulus has been there all summer just waiting to be bought - if we want him then go get him

BR did that with Mignolet, yet you moaned about that too.

There are too many inconsistencies in your arguments - you have long since vanished up your own a.rse.

[Ben Patrick]

So we just stick with players that aren't good enough ? Get players in first then get rid of the players we don't need or aren't good enough or who BR doesn't rate. CB has been a obvious problem yet still not being solved unless BR believes that Toure solves our problems.

It seems that we are waiting for players to leave to then allow money to be spent despite a net spend of just £2mil this summer so far. Do we need to sell to buy ? Pappadoulus has been there all summer just waiting to be bought - if we want him then go get him

BR did that with Mignolet, yet you moaned about that too.

There are too many inconsistencies in your arguments - you have long since vanished up your own a.rse.

[redno7]

ha ha I wish he would!

[Benny The Noon]

well - there could be all sorts of problems with the papa deal, not least concerns about his injury - we just dont know.

Skrtel - who knows, some Italian media are claiming it's near done, but not read anything concrete on it, so could be true - could be usual media rumour. After he goes I imagine a bid for a new CB, but not until he goes.

We have 5 CB's, so maybe they are looking at selling to buy from a numbers / wages point of view as well as a cash for transfers view. If Toure is showing enough to be an improvement on last years back line, I guess it's less of a priority until we sell.

I think the majority of us on here think  central defence needs to be improved, myself include, but none of us see what's going on in training, and how Toure is fairing. He hasn't really been tested in the friendlies thus far, so it's really hard for us to give an imformed opinion - we just have to base things on the little we've seen and his Man City form. If he's excelling in training against the likes of Suarez and Sterling and co, maybe he is good enough to start alongside Agger.

If Toure starts alongside Agger as our CB partnership then I would worry a lot - he is worse than Skrtel , even before his drugs ban he was poor and since returning he has been poor and certainly never been the type of CB we need ( someone to be physically dominating and organised at the back ) - he used to have a good turn of pace which maybe BR thinks will help with the high line but you would have to go back to his Arsenal days to see that pace. It appears that we are going back to the midfield trio of Lucas/Gerrard/Allen with Agger and Toure behind and the fullbacks pushed high we are going to get ripped right through the middle and anyone with any type of physical striker up front will have a field day.

[C-R]

Tutto Sport in Italy are claiming that Skirtel to Napoli loan deal is agreed and ready for completion

[Benny The Noon]

Tutto Sport in Italy are claiming that Skirtel to Napoli loan deal is agreed and ready for completion

It's a loan deal

[SouthCoastShankly]

well - there could be all sorts of problems with the papa deal, not least concerns about his injury - we just dont know.

Skrtel - who knows, some Italian media are claiming it's near done, but not read anything concrete on it, so could be true - could be usual media rumour. After he goes I imagine a bid for a new CB, but not until he goes.

We have 5 CB's, so maybe they are looking at selling to buy from a numbers / wages point of view as well as a cash for transfers view. If Toure is showing enough to be an improvement on last years back line, I guess it's less of a priority until we sell.

I think the majority of us on here think  central defence needs to be improved, myself include, but none of us see what's going on in training, and how Toure is fairing. He hasn't really been tested in the friendlies thus far, so it's really hard for us to give an imformed opinion - we just have to base things on the little we've seen and his Man City form. If he's excelling in training against the likes of Suarez and Sterling and co, maybe he is good enough to start alongside Agger.

If Toure starts alongside Agger as our CB partnership then I would worry a lot - he is worse than Skrtel , even before his drugs ban he was poor and since returning he has been poor and certainly never been the type of CB we need ( someone to be physically dominating and organised at the back ) - he used to have a good turn of pace which maybe BR thinks will help with the high line but you would have to go back to his Arsenal days to see that pace. It appears that we are going back to the midfield trio of Lucas/Gerrard/Allen with Agger and Toure behind and the fullbacks pushed high we are going to get ripped right through the middle and anyone with any type of physical striker up front will have a field day.

Couldn't disagree more.

Whether Skrtel is better or worse than Toure is open to debate. Skrtel has hardly set the world alight these last 18 months. Toure played 14 games for Man City the year they won the title - so hardly a vote of no confidence from Mancini.

Toure is an experienced CB, you are making him out to be worse than he is. Skrtel had a mare last year, Carragher replaced him. Carragher had the leadership capabilities but lost his edge. IMO Toure is a capable stop gap and everything I have seen of him this pre-season is good, I also fully assume he is performing well at training also - as Rodgers is selecting him to start in pre-season games over Coates and Skrtel.

Finally I think Lucas is a highly capable DM, and I do not know why we are pursuing another DM. The only exception to that comment is a back to the DM.

[red till i die!!]

another loan deal 
we must have loads of money seen as we just let assets walk out the door and depreciate, either that or somebody needs to sit that chump ayre down and enlighten him as to how the transfer system works.