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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

if we have got the opportunity to keep suarez here for £5m extra then we should take it, it would be the most sensible £5m we`ve spent in a long time.
yes we still should bring players in but there`s no guarentee`s they`ll adapt to the prem as well as suarez has.
lets face it suarez was the best player in the whole country last season, the only reason he didnt win player of the year was because of his past indiscretions, not only that he led the goalscoring charts practically all season as well and the only reason he didnt finish as the top scorer was because he decided to take a bite out of ivanovic`s arm.
if you want the best player and the top goalscorer in the country in your team you are going to have to pay top dollar.

[devaney]

The situations between the two are massively different. There is no comparison - Rooney just wanted more money back in 2010 not to actually leave the club !

Please respect our agreement to ignore each other. There are plenty of other people on this forum for you to argue with. Frankly I'm not interested in anything you have to say but just for the record Rooney handed in a transfer request and was prepared for United to sell him if they could not come to an agreement. http://metro.co.uk/2010/10/18/wayne-roo ... ry-550400/

[devaney]

if we have got the opportunity to keep suarez here for £5m extra then we should take it, it would be the most sensible £5m we`ve spent in a long time.
yes we still should bring players in but there`s no guarentee`s they`ll adapt to the prem as well as suarez has.
lets face it suarez was the best player in the whole country last season, the only reason he didnt win player of the year was because of his past indiscretions, not only that he led the goalscoring charts practically all season as well and the only reason he didnt finish as the top scorer was because he decided to take a bite out of ivanovic`s arm.
if you want the best player and the top goalscorer in the country in your team you are going to have to pay top dollar.

Simple really isn't it or is it

[Benny The Noon]

The situations between the two are massively different. There is no comparison - Rooney just wanted more money back in 2010 not to actually leave the club !

Please respect our agreement to ignore each other. There are plenty of other people on this forum for you to argue with. Frankly I'm not interested in anything you have to say but just for the record Rooney handed in a transfer request and was prepared for United to sell him if they could not come to an agreement. http://metro.co.uk/2010/10/18/wayne-roo ... ry-550400/

Yes an agreement on a new contract as opposed GJ an agreement to selling him.

If we really want to act like the Mancs - lets go and spend £20 plus million on another striker and buy other quality players into the squad that will help us.

Rooney was/is world apart from Suarez in regards their situations. Rooney wasnt looking to jump ship because his team were not competing at a level that he required. He had a bust up with his manager - they sorted it out - new contract and move on. Rooney didnt spend all summer long finding a way out of a club to move to a bigger club.

Suarez isn't a case of just giving him more money and then he is happy and cheery and ready to to play Carling Cup football whilst the best play CL. He wants out because we can't provide the platform to play on that he wants.

If we really wanted to keep him then show him we really want CL football by spending some money on some proper quality players - dig their hands in their pockets and show their ambition and intent.

But we know the owners won't do that just like they won't double his wages.

[kazza]

Some rumours knocking about that his agent has asked for double money and he will stay.

It is always down to cash with 99.9% of players these days.

I would say do it. Write a new contract with a 70 million release, tell him he can go next summer. Convince him to play his heart out and keep his head down and hopefully with a good wc he can be sold for 70 million. If he has a good year he will be chased which is what he wants. If we know it is happening we can plan accordingly.

[kazza]

He doesn't deserve more money from us - if he stays he honours his contract. He has done nothing but disrespect the club and fans that have stuck by him whilst he makes a ***** of himself.

It's business Benny not personal. As a fan all I care about is when he plays he gives 100% of his effort to try to win which he always does. If all this ends up earning him more money it would not bother me in the slightest as I want as many good players playing for the team as possible. I want cl football, I want to win the pl and we need more players like him not less. He is emotional and if he did not have these issues we would not have been able to buy him as cheap as we did considering his value.

[Benny The Noon]

He won't agree to any contract with a release fee of £70mil because he knows no club will touch him with that.

He had a great year with us and people won't pay over £50mil for him because of his baggage. Players like Falcao and Cavani are going for £55mil etc and clubs will pay that but I think if we get £50mil then it's a great deal but think around £45mil is what I think he will go for.

If he is getting lawyers to look at his contract and the current clause - it's quite clear he is trying everything to get away without having to put in a transfer request

[redno7]

45 or 50 million? It's not that far apart in the grand scheme of things. If they'll pay 45 they won't refuse at 50. Not for 5 million. Fleece the fukrs for all we can get. Me personally I'd still like an apology and a promise to bag a load of goals next season from him. I think to get 4th he needs to stay. But we need to add to the team too.

[Red Focus]

At this moment, Brendan has made it very clear, "50M or you're wasting your time" to any potential bidders which of course upsets our friend Suarez. Both Brendan and Suarez are looking at it from different angles. LS just wants to move to a club that provides CL football ( I wonder why he's not harping about the English media anymore) and BR insist on keeping him to challenge for top 4 and believes the club has the legal right to make him stay if no one is going to pay 50M for him. I would say, both are right from their own perspective. The question now is, who (BR or LS) will be the first to soften their stance. It could be either one. I am curious to find out how eventually this saga will turn out.

One way the club can do to convince him to stay for next season is to show him the club has ambition to finish in top 4 like aggressively signing quality players (without CL football I know it's going to be hard) like Erikssen, Bernard, Soldado etc. Players who already have quality and can start help winning games like when Kenny signed Barnes and Beardsley a generation ago. The signings we've made so far are a free transfer drop out from Man City, an unproven Barcelona B youngster and a decent Celta Vigo Jack of all Trades attacker whom I don't think has not even made it to the Spanish national team yet and a goalkeeper whom only time can tell whether he will be better than Pepe. Is the club showing LS that we have ambition? I don't think so. It is a club that is rebuilding and if we do come good one day in playing CL football, LS will be too old to take part. Like I said before, I am more bitter about the owners than this fella LS. As the clock starts ticking away without anymore exciting signings, it's all telling me that the club has to sell to buy and such a club doesn't deserves to finish top 4, let alone winning the PL.

[Octsky]

we selling suarez to arsenal is like arsenal selling rvp to manus.
nothing will come good out of this.
so an extraordinary premium is justifiable in this case.

[maguskwt]

In a company or business, would you pay an employee alot more than other employees and upset the balance? I don't think so... FSG is not gonna give Suarez a pay rise and rightly so. What's at stake is not just the 5 million extra, what's at stake is the whole balance of the club's pay structure and the risk of upsetting other players...
Maybe FSG can negotiate for a minimal pay rise and performance related bonuses like if he scores 25 goals, they'll give him 5 million at the end of the season. Something along that line..,

[SouthCoastShankly]

we selling suarez to arsenal is like arsenal selling rvp to manus.
nothing will come good out of this.
so an extraordinary premium is justifiable in this case.

Not quite but I get your point.

Selling Suarez to Arsenal is far worse that RVP to Man U. Arsenal, even with RVP, were never comparable with Man U.

We however, despite the pending protest from Benny, are comparable to Arsenal. Last season and this season we will be competing for fourth place with them and Tottenham.

[devaney]

In a company or business, would you pay an employee alot more than other employees and upset the balance? I don't think so... FSG is not gonna give Suarez a pay rise and rightly so. What's at stake is not just the 5 million extra, what's at stake is the whole balance of the club's pay structure and the risk of upsetting other players...
Maybe FSG can negotiate for a minimal pay rise and performance related bonuses like if he scores 25 goals, they'll give him 5 million at the end of the season. Something along that line..,

Your disruption observation is also my concern but to be honest I would take the risk as Suarez is vital for our future success. The legal people would have to be very clever with the contract. Would paying him more than Gerrard be disruptive? Not sure what Gerrard is on these days after signing a new contract. He would be the only player in my opinion entitled to have a whinge if we agreed to pay Luis £160k a week. FSG have made it very clear that they will pay players what they are worth. Suarez is worth £160k a week and I don't think that can be disputed.

[Benny The Noon]

Suarez is already close to getting £120k a week which is comparable to Gerrard and then there is talk of doubling his wages which would put him clear over £200k a week.

FSG have made it clear they actually prefer to save wages with the amount they have dumped over the past 18 months

And we will be competing against Arsenal and Spurs for 4th but as in previous 4 seasons it won't be much of a competition

[devaney]

Ok let's just put our ignore each other policy on hold for the purpose of this discussion as you seem to be struggling to understand the concept of IGNORE.

If you are going to disagree with everything then at least get your facts right. Suarez is on £80k a week plus performance related bonuses which took his earnings to £120k a week for part of last season. If his wages were doubled his basic contract earnings would be £160k per week as I previously stated.