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[bunglemark2]

all this over a dive
all players dive and whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you but before you condemn suarez remember he is one of many this season that has taken a dive,ive seen better dives so far this season in the prem than id seen in the olympics only for young peaked late he would have taken tom daleys place in the uk dive team ffs,but thats ok because he's english and we wont talk about it but see that little uruguayan  well he's a cheater.
bales dive was as bad but not a mention about that because the media like him.they dont like suarez and will use any chance they can to show him in a different light.
to listen to some of the plastics on here suggesting he's a bad egg and just causes trouble so we'd be better off getting rid is funny as fook.
players dive and some are encouraged to do it,how many times have you heard pundits and commentators justifying dives because there was the slightest contact,whether intentional or not.
its rife in the game and it will only be rooted out through better refereeing that is consistent, but that also is a trait sadly missing from the english game.
it seems to me suarez is being made a scapegoat for this also and again the victim of another witch hunt.

Then he should stop doing it

[red till i die!!]

Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers believes striker Luis Suarez is being unfairly singled out after he was accused of diving.

Stoke manager Tony Pulis launched a scathing attack on the striker after Sunday's 0-0 draw at Anfield, suggesting he committed a second-half dive and calling for bans to prevent simulation.

But Rodgers has leapt to the defence of Suarez and he was left bemused after the FA decided not to take action against Potters defender Robert Huth for an alleged stamp on the Uruguay international.

"As manager of this football club I find it incredible that in nearly all the coverage about Luis Suarez this weekend, very little focus has been placed on the fact that he was actually the victim of a stamping incident within the first five minutes of the game," said Rodgers.

Rodgers hails fans
"At this moment there seems to be one set of rules for Luis and another set for everyone else.

"Diving and simulation is obviously a wider issue in football and one that we all agree has to be eradicated from our game but there were other incidents this weekend that didn't seem to generate the same coverage.

"No one should be distracted by the real issue here, both at Anfield and at another game played on Sunday, when Luis and another player were hurt in off-the-ball incidents that went unpunished but were caught on TV cameras.

"I believe some people need to develop a sense of perspective and I also believe in this moment the vilification of Luis is both wrong and unfair.

"I will continue to protect the values, spirit and people of this great club and game while searching for a consistent level of results in order to make progress on the field."

well in there brendan .
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news ... ly-treated

[bunglemark2]

So what Brendan...he still dived, and what he did was wrong. Tell the player to stop doing it and then get back on your high horse...

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

all this over a dive
all players dive and whether you choose to believe it or not is up to you but before you condemn suarez remember he is one of many this season that has taken a dive,ive seen better dives so far this season in the prem than id seen in the olympics only for young peaked late he would have taken tom daleys place in the uk dive team ffs,but thats ok because he's english and we wont talk about it but see that little uruguayan  well he's a cheater.
bales dive was as bad but not a mention about that because the media like him.they dont like suarez and will use any chance they can to show him in a different light.
to listen to some of the plastics on here suggesting he's a bad egg and just causes trouble so we'd be better off getting rid is funny as fook.
players dive and some are encouraged to do it,how many times have you heard pundits and commentators justifying dives because there was the slightest contact,whether intentional or not.
its rife in the game and it will only be rooted out through better refereeing that is consistent, but that also is a trait sadly missing from the english game.
it seems to me suarez is being made a scapegoat for this also and again the victim of another witch hunt.

i agree mate, a worse dive than suarez`s was john aldridge`s in the cup final against wimbledon (the pen that aldo missed)
in recent years we`ve had the likes of drogba, ronaldo, young, nani, gerrard, rooney, pires, ginola, van nistelrooy, andy johnson, bale and many, many more throwing themselves all over the place but when suarez does it suddenly everyone is up in arms.
i hope these liverpool fans who are having a go at luis now moaned when gerrard won that pen in istanbul. the way gerrard went down in istanbul was with that `starfish` technique that he used in his other dives.
luis is just an easy target.

[mart]

So what Brendan...he still dived, and what he did was wrong. Tell the player to stop doing it and then get back on your high horse...

He dived but he is not alone. Every player in the league dives. He is certainly no worse than for instance Drogba was, but noone gets the kind of media attention that Suarez gets. Someone has certainly decided to go after him.

[C-R]

proof hes not a diver

[JC_81]

I agree Suarez is an easy target and that the media coverage his dive against Stoke got, in comparison with the lack of coverage that Huth stamping on him got, is beyond the joke.  And like you say he's not the first diver and he won't be the last in this league.

All that said however, I believe that support for him was growing in some sections of the media after the blatant penalties he has been denied this season, not least on MOTD and on BBC sport this past few weeks.  Then he does that against Stoke and he's back to square one.  That's what has frustrated me the most over this.  He's his own worst enemy and his dive was an embarrassment.  If we're going to say that's ok because other players do it then fu.ck football as far as I'm concerned.  It's not ok.

He's got two choices.  He can either get his head down, stay out of controversy and let his football do the talking (and soon enough the witch hunt will stop... like it did for Drogba and Ronaldo before him), or he can continue to embarrass himself and shoot himself and the club in the foot with this behaviour.  You can't defend the indefensible sometimes.

[Thommo's perm]

So what Brendan...he still dived, and what he did was wrong. Tell the player to stop doing it and then get back on your high horse...

He dived but he is not alone. Every player in the league dives. He is certainly no worse than for instance Drogba was, but noone gets the kind of media attention that Suarez gets. Someone has certainly decided to go after him.

No better, no worse.
Is there some sort of competion I wonder where someone is nominated as "person who dived the most" or "best, worst diver of the month"?
Fu*king pathetic but in keeping with what football chooses to focus on these days. "Diving is ruining the game!". Really??!! Not elbowing someone in the throat or stamping on someones chest? Or handling the ball in the area? Or the ball crossing the line but because its purple nose its disallowed? Or referees deliberatly refusing to give a blatant, nailed on penalty because someone has a "reputation". "Suarez is making the referees job harder!" No hes not, because theyre not going to give him the penalty anyway, no matter how much he is fouled!
Rodgers is absolutely right in what he says and people should praise him for having the balls to stick up for his player when everyone else is on a witch-hunt, AGAIN!!

[bunglemark2]

FFS, people - what Suarez does time and again is wrong, end of. Diving is wrong. What's so hard to admit about that? Whether 20 other players dive, stamp, slap, punch or whatever else, is equally wrong.
Rodgers needs to stop Suarez carrying on like this 'cos otherwise he looks like a foolish hypocrite.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

So what Brendan...he still dived, and what he did was wrong. Tell the player to stop doing it and then get back on your high horse...

He dived but he is not alone. Every player in the league dives. He is certainly no worse than for instance Drogba was, but noone gets the kind of media attention that Suarez gets. Someone has certainly decided to go after him.

No better, no worse.
Is there some sort of competion I wonder where someone is nominated as "person who dived the most" or "best, worst diver of the month"?
Fu*king pathetic but in keeping with what football chooses to focus on these days. "Diving is ruining the game!". Really??!! Not elbowing someone in the throat or stamping on someones chest? Or handling the ball in the area? Or the ball crossing the line but because its purple nose its disallowed? Or referees deliberatly refusing to give a blatant, nailed on penalty because someone has a "reputation". "Suarez is making the referees job harder!" No hes not, because theyre not going to give him the penalty anyway, no matter how much he is fouled!
Rodgers is absolutely right in what he says and people should praise him for having the balls to stick up for his player when everyone else is on a witch-hunt, AGAIN!!

it`s a f**king big game played out for public opinion, and as per usual we are losing again.
ferguson came out and called suarez a diver right after that game at anfield where he ripped united to shreds,
we are talking about a manager here who has managed the likes of ronaldo, rooney, van nistelrooy, ashley young, nani etc and a man who according to this report based on jaap stam`s biography encouraged united players to dive - http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_2215755,00.html
in any other country when ferguson called suarez a diver the press would have called ferguson a hypocrite but in britain the press go running off to lambast suarez.
recently ferguson had a go at foreigners for diving but said nani wasnt one of them, if he made statements like that in any other country he`d be a laughing stock but in england the press just nod in agreement.
suarez dived, but the media furore is out of proportion compared to when other players do it.
where these same papers up in arms when owen went down easily to win a pen against argentina in the world cup?

[Kenny Kan]

i hope these liverpool fans who are having a go at luis now moaned when gerrard won that pen in istanbul. the way gerrard went down in istanbul was with that `starfish` technique that he used in his other dives.
luis is just an easy target. 

Of course not football "fans" are so fickle, they cheered when Gerrard got his penalty and clung onto the coat tails of glory. Had Suarez been awarded a pen and  converted it would they still be such sanctimonious @rse holes about, it's bad enough the media witch hunt this bloke has on him but our own so-called fans, deary f.ucking me, what has football become.

[Reg]

Cashley Cole making millions from the game calls the FA a bunch of ***** and the media and fans in general say nothing. He's now dragged in front of the FA and again there is a lack of concern amongst fans. How can our sport be so 2 faced? If your face fits you can bend the rules to the extreme, if there is an agenda against you you're dead in the water.Liverpool club management need to talk to the FA and Refs association to sort this Sh*t out as every week Luis is becoming more and more isolated.

[Thommo's perm]

Cashley Cole making millions from the game calls the FA a bunch of ***** and the media and fans in general say nothing. He's now dragged in front of the FA and again there is a lack of concern amongst fans. How can our sport be so 2 faced? If your face fits you can bend the rules to the extreme, if there is an agenda against you you're dead in the water.Liverpool club management need to talk to the FA and Refs association to sort this Sh*t out as every week Luis is becoming more and more isolated.

Just imagine if Suarez had tweeted that after his brush with the fa?
He would have been thrown in the tower then executed live on telly
CU'NTS!!!!

[LFC2007]

A dive of the sort that Suarez pulled off at the weekend was bound to get more coverage than some of the other incidents because it was so blatant and so threatrical -- there was no 'grey area'. It was wrong and it should be condemned. Players should be encouraged to play to win and to do so fairly, or else what is the true merit of their achievement? I see that people are keen to point to other indicents as though they provide Suarez with some sort of defence. They don't. When Ashley Young went over against Villa a week after winning a suspect pen against QPR, that was equally unacceptable. That incident garnered Young a lot of negative press, but even so, the manner in which the media treat these types of incidents shouldn't prevent people from holding the club and players to an acceptable standard of conduct on the field of play. The alternative is to defend wrongs with other wrongs, in which case the problem never gets properly addressed.

This isn't the first time that Suarez has been guilty of threatrical play. Most people would agree I think that he's a player who has a tendency to go down easily and who occasionally, as against Stoke, gets exposed for attempting an outrageous dive. That needs to stop, not just because it undermines the integrity of the competition, but because it causes him a reputational problem that could, and possibly already has (Norwich), caused him to lose out on decisions where his case was in fact legit. But let's be clear about one other thing: Ref's should make decisions independently of a player's reputation. They shouldn't be trying to 'even things up'. They are human, though, and refereeing decisions often aren't clear-cut, and that puts players who have reputations like Suarez at a disadvantage, particularly when the call is one that could go either way.

[Thommo's perm]

A dive of the sort that Suarez pulled off at the weekend was bound to get more coverage than some of the other incidents because it was so blatant and so threatrical -- there was no 'grey area'. It was wrong and it should be condemned. Players should be encouraged to play to win and to do so fairly, or else what is the true merit of their achievement? I see that people are keen to point to other indicents as though they provide Suarez with some sort of defence. They don't. When Ashley Young went over against Villa a week after winning a suspect pen against QPR, that was equally unacceptable. That incident garnered Young a lot of negative press, but even so, the manner in which the media treat these types of incidents shouldn't prevent people from holding the club and players to an acceptable standard of conduct on the field of play. The alternative is to defend wrongs with other wrongs, in which case the problem never gets properly addressed.

This isn't the first time that Suarez has been guilty of threatrical play. Most people would agree I think that he's a player who has a tendency to go down easily and who occasionally, as against Stoke, gets exposed for attempting an outrageous dive. That needs to stop, not just because it undermines the integrity of the competition, but because it causes him a reputational problem that could, and possibly already has (Norwich), caused him to lose out on decisions where his case was in fact legit. But let's be clear about one other thing: Ref's should make decisions independently of a player's reputation. They shouldn't be trying to 'even things up'. They are human, though, and refereeing decisions often aren't clear-cut, and that puts players who have reputations like Suarez at a disadvantage, particularly when the call is one that could go either way.

So you agree that by not awarding him a penalty they are giving the opposition an unfair advantage and therefore cheating? Yes he was wrong to do what he did yesterday, mainly because he looked foolish and it was embarrassing. But hey, we all do stupid things.
What has happened since the season started has nothing whatsoever to do with things being "clear cut" or not. He is being punished by reputation, not actions, and by rights so is the team because referees are chosing to dismiss legitimate claims. These same claims would, by the way, be seen as fair if they came from different players. Pure and blatant bias and discrimination.
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