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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

tomorrow`s times are saying that west ham are trying to get carroll on loan, carroll wants to stay and fight for his place but apparently rodgers is not keen on the idea and has lined borini up as his replacement.
tomorrows telegraph is about carroll wanting to stay at anfield.
rodgers is having a laugh if he thinks a 21 year old who has played less than 50 career games is going to take us into the CL, even if he is one of his mates from chelsea.
hope andy digs his heels in and fights for his place.

[Ben Patrick]

tomorrow`s times are saying that west ham are trying to get carroll on loan, carroll wants to stay and fight for his place but apparently rodgers is not keen on the idea and has lined borini up as his replacement.
tomorrows telegraph is about carroll wanting to stay at anfield.
rodgers is having a laugh if he thinks a 21 year old who has played less than 50 career games is going to take us into the CL, even if he is one of his mates from chelsea.
hope andy digs his heels in and fights for his place.

I dont believe it for one minute mate.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

That's what i said about Suarez

Carroll as the front man with Suarez and someone like Adam Johnson out with also.
For me in no way is Dempsey as clever or a tidy link player like Maxi.

I agree that Suarez and another player coming from wide linking up with a front man would be good. But when we put our best team out I would hope that neither Carroll or Dempsey would be in it.

i`d rather have carroll than this borini lad, looks a bit lightweight to me, then again he`s one of brendans chelsea mates so he must be technically brilliant.

[bunglemark2]

Maybe this is reverse psychology from Rodgers, making Carroll fight for his place? Then again, if it is, splashing it all over the media is a bloody stupid way to do it.
And maybe we all have it ar$eways and there's no substance to any of these Carroll rumours...I hope it's the latter. I'd give him the chance to prove his worth. We know there was a hefty price tag but maybe Carroll will come good after the initial pressure for a bucket load of goals is now off.

[Eagle]

Yes but Chelsea have played that system with Drogba a target man as the striker to feed off that service in the 4-3-3. If  Carroll leaves or is on the bench all season with Suarez as that player I don't think it will work because as we saw last season when Carroll was left out and balls kept pinging into the box Suarez struggled to score many goals like that. Look at the Brighton FA Cup game probably the best performance in any game last season look at Suarez's goal Carroll and him in the box in a 4-4-2 system with midfielders joining them in the box. Carroll headed it back Suarez scored.

Suarez thrives with his back to goal outside of the box running at defenders linking with other players to create chances and score goals. We should be looking at improving the supply line around Suarez in midfield and the wide right position  so that the system with Suarez and Carroll can get better. Switching to 4-3-3 with just Suarez as the main striker will be more of the same from last year just like in the first sixty minutes against Chelsea at Wembley.

I’m assuming and hoping that Suarez won’t be playing as the furthest man forward next season and we will be brining in another striker whether Carroll stays of leaves.

And in regards to the poor FA Cup final performance, I would say that was down to very poor tactical play more than anything. Gerrard was indisciplined in his positioning beyond belief, even dropping deeper than both central midfielders and leaving Suarez totally isolated, and on top of that neither Bellamy or Downing got close to Suarez. We setup to counter attack that day but we executed it like a pub team.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

tomorrow`s times are saying that west ham are trying to get carroll on loan, carroll wants to stay and fight for his place but apparently rodgers is not keen on the idea and has lined borini up as his replacement.
tomorrows telegraph is about carroll wanting to stay at anfield.
rodgers is having a laugh if he thinks a 21 year old who has played less than 50 career games is going to take us into the CL, even if he is one of his mates from chelsea.
hope andy digs his heels in and fights for his place.

I dont believe it for one minute mate.

when you see what rodgers has said in his press conferences though mate, do you think if someone asked rodgers if gerrard or suarez was going out on loan do you think he`d say `i`ve got to be honest here, if the move suits the club and the player and helps both to develop then it`s a possibility`?
he hasnt even seen the big fella in training but rolls out the welcome mat for joe cole and signs one of his other chelsea buddies borini.
going off rodgers already and he hasnt even managed a game yet!

[Eagle]

Anyway back to Andy Carroll.

For me it wouldn’t make sense to loan Carroll out to any club. If we get a very good offer for him then great, I would be over the moon to recoup a large chunk of what we paid for him and bring in someone better. But if there is no sensible offer on the table he should be kept and another striker bought in. In my eyes it should be someone who is going to try and dislodge Carroll rather than provide backup.

By the way what is the source for Rodgers saying that he would be open to loaning Carroll out? I watched the whole press conference yesterday and there was nothing in that about loaning players out. All I can see is different quotes merged into one article turning 2+2 into 5?

[Ben Patrick]

Yes but Chelsea have played that system with Drogba a target man as the striker to feed off that service in the 4-3-3. If  Carroll leaves or is on the bench all season with Suarez as that player I don't think it will work because as we saw last season when Carroll was left out and balls kept pinging into the box Suarez struggled to score many goals like that. Look at the Brighton FA Cup game probably the best performance in any game last season look at Suarez's goal Carroll and him in the box in a 4-4-2 system with midfielders joining them in the box. Carroll headed it back Suarez scored.

Suarez thrives with his back to goal outside of the box running at defenders linking with other players to create chances and score goals. We should be looking at improving the supply line around Suarez in midfield and the wide right position  so that the system with Suarez and Carroll can get better. Switching to 4-3-3 with just Suarez as the main striker will be more of the same from last year just like in the first sixty minutes against Chelsea at Wembley.

I’m assuming and hoping that Suarez won’t be playing as the furthest man forward next season and we will be brining in another striker whether Carroll stays of leaves.

And in regards to the poor FA Cup final performance, I would say that was down to very poor tactical play more than anything. Gerrard was indisciplined in his positioning beyond belief, even dropping deeper than both central midfielders and leaving Suarez totally isolated, and on top of that neither Bellamy or Downing got close to Suarez. We setup to counter attack that day but we executed it like a pub team.

Kennys tactics them mate.

First half of alot of games where the opposition had better players we sat deeper and didnt commit men.

The idea was to keep it tight and then in the second half have a go.

Reina fumbling the first goal sort of killed our whole game plan.

The players not getting close to Suarez wont have been by personal choice, it was tactics.

[friendlyguy33]

tomorrow`s times are saying that west ham are trying to get carroll on loan, carroll wants to stay and fight for his place but apparently rodgers is not keen on the idea and has lined borini up as his replacement.
tomorrows telegraph is about carroll wanting to stay at anfield.
rodgers is having a laugh if he thinks a 21 year old who has played less than 50 career games is going to take us into the CL, even if he is one of his mates from chelsea.
hope andy digs his heels in and fights for his place.

I can quite believe that Allardyce would want to play hoof football with Carroll as his main striker. It's apparent that Rodgers is trying to encourage other foreign clubs to take Carroll away for a year to bump up the price. Rodgers will look silly if Carroll does to go to West Ham score 20 goals and they finish just behind us in the table with us finishing eighth again.

[Ben Patrick]

tomorrow`s times are saying that west ham are trying to get carroll on loan, carroll wants to stay and fight for his place but apparently rodgers is not keen on the idea and has lined borini up as his replacement.
tomorrows telegraph is about carroll wanting to stay at anfield.
rodgers is having a laugh if he thinks a 21 year old who has played less than 50 career games is going to take us into the CL, even if he is one of his mates from chelsea.
hope andy digs his heels in and fights for his place.

I can quite believe that Allardyce would want to play hoof football with Carroll as his main striker. It's apparent that Rodgers is trying to encourage other foreign clubs to take Carroll away for a year to bump up the price. Rodgers will look silly if Carroll does to go to West Ham score 20 goals and they finish just behind us in the table with us finishing eighth again.

Like Benny has asked, where did you get this from ???

[friendlyguy33]

Yes but Chelsea have played that system with Drogba a target man as the striker to feed off that service in the 4-3-3. If  Carroll leaves or is on the bench all season with Suarez as that player I don't think it will work because as we saw last season when Carroll was left out and balls kept pinging into the box Suarez struggled to score many goals like that. Look at the Brighton FA Cup game probably the best performance in any game last season look at Suarez's goal Carroll and him in the box in a 4-4-2 system with midfielders joining them in the box. Carroll headed it back Suarez scored.

Suarez thrives with his back to goal outside of the box running at defenders linking with other players to create chances and score goals. We should be looking at improving the supply line around Suarez in midfield and the wide right position  so that the system with Suarez and Carroll can get better. Switching to 4-3-3 with just Suarez as the main striker will be more of the same from last year just like in the first sixty minutes against Chelsea at Wembley.

I’m assuming and hoping that Suarez won’t be playing as the furthest man forward next season and we will be brining in another striker whether Carroll stays of leaves.

And in regards to the poor FA Cup final performance, I would say that was down to very poor tactical play more than anything. Gerrard was indisciplined in his positioning beyond belief, even dropping deeper than both central midfielders and leaving Suarez totally isolated, and on top of that neither Bellamy or Downing got close to Suarez. We setup to counter attack that day but we executed it like a pub team.

We don't have the players to execute it like Chelsea do.

[friendlyguy33]

tomorrow`s times are saying that west ham are trying to get carroll on loan, carroll wants to stay and fight for his place but apparently rodgers is not keen on the idea and has lined borini up as his replacement.
tomorrows telegraph is about carroll wanting to stay at anfield.
rodgers is having a laugh if he thinks a 21 year old who has played less than 50 career games is going to take us into the CL, even if he is one of his mates from chelsea.
hope andy digs his heels in and fights for his place.

I can quite believe that Allardyce would want to play hoof football with Carroll as his main striker. It's apparent that Rodgers is trying to encourage other foreign clubs to take Carroll away for a year to bump up the price. Rodgers will look silly if Carroll does to go to West Ham score 20 goals and they finish just behind us in the table with us finishing eighth again.

Like Benny has asked, where did you get this from ???

It's come across all too coincidental that the minute the press talk about MIlan wanting Carroll on loan Rodgers says he's open to a deal.

The club would do themselves and Carroll a bigger service by coming out now and stating it hasn't worked out for him, he's not in the manager's long term plans and they'll listen to permanent offers for him.

The con-trick of saying we'll loan him to anywhere so he can come back and be that much better when we don't think he can adapt to 4-3-3 is no more believable than Hodgson saying two years ago that Aquilani would come back from Italy to play in the LIverpool midfield every week.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

tomorrow`s times are saying that west ham are trying to get carroll on loan, carroll wants to stay and fight for his place but apparently rodgers is not keen on the idea and has lined borini up as his replacement.
tomorrows telegraph is about carroll wanting to stay at anfield.
rodgers is having a laugh if he thinks a 21 year old who has played less than 50 career games is going to take us into the CL, even if he is one of his mates from chelsea.
hope andy digs his heels in and fights for his place.

I can quite believe that Allardyce would want to play hoof football with Carroll as his main striker. It's apparent that Rodgers is trying to encourage other foreign clubs to take Carroll away for a year to bump up the price. Rodgers will look silly if Carroll does to go to West Ham score 20 goals and they finish just behind us in the table with us finishing eighth again.

you know what mate rodgers has done my head in the way he treated carroll, he`s questioning wether carroll`s style suits his philosophy but one of the biggest hoof merchants at the club is carragher but rodgers is up his @rse constantly praising him and telling everyone how he`s the heart and soul of the club and what a great pundit he was on telly and how carragher is just like him watching 6 games back to back on a sunday and all that palava.

[friendlyguy33]

tomorrow`s times are saying that west ham are trying to get carroll on loan, carroll wants to stay and fight for his place but apparently rodgers is not keen on the idea and has lined borini up as his replacement.
tomorrows telegraph is about carroll wanting to stay at anfield.
rodgers is having a laugh if he thinks a 21 year old who has played less than 50 career games is going to take us into the CL, even if he is one of his mates from chelsea.
hope andy digs his heels in and fights for his place.

I can quite believe that Allardyce would want to play hoof football with Carroll as his main striker. It's apparent that Rodgers is trying to encourage other foreign clubs to take Carroll away for a year to bump up the price. Rodgers will look silly if Carroll does to go to West Ham score 20 goals and they finish just behind us in the table with us finishing eighth again.

you know what mate rodgers has done my head in the way he treated carroll, he`s questioning wether carroll`s style suits his philosophy but one of the biggest hoof merchants at the club is carragher but rodgers is up his @rse constantly praising him and telling everyone how he`s the heart and soul of the club and what a great pundit he was on telly and how carragher is just like him watching 6 games back to back on a sunday and all that palava.

Maybe Carragher will play fewer games and be offered a coaching role. I am looking to see what improvement Rodgers will make with our distribution through the midfield. This constant going back to Reina and then having to knock it long in a game has become so tedious. It started under Rafa and became worse after he left.

[D___C]

Maybe this is reverse psychology from Rodgers, making Carroll fight for his place? Then again, if it is, splashing it all over the media is a bloody stupid way to do it.
And maybe we all have it ar$eways and there's no substance to any of these Carroll rumours...I hope it's the latter. I'd give him the chance to prove his worth. We know there was a hefty price tag but maybe Carroll will come good after the initial pressure for a bucket load of goals is now off.

Wouldn't have thought so... Carroll being a confidence player the last thing he needs is a manager not giving 100 backing.

The signs are clearly not good for Carroll, and i genuinely cannot believe that anyone is surprised.

Carroll is not a Brendan Rodgers type player (tbh i never thought he was a Kenny type of player which only added to the mystery of the purchase). Rodgers would never have actually signed him so why would anyone expect him to want to keep/play him? Hes a previous managers player. He has no responsibility to pick him. If Carroll was compatible with Rodgers style (as Gerrard, Suarez, Agger, Lucas are) then he would have no hesitation in keeping him. Rodgers has watched more of Carroll than the rest of us combined.. he will know exactly what his attributes/limitations are and what he would or would not bring to the team. I have always felt the number one priority is getting the best out of our best player, Suarez. Its what Barca do with Messi, Real do with Ronaldo, Man U do with Rooney. They dont cater to a lesser player which is what we did for much of last season with Carroll. Suarez was at his best when paired with Maxi and Kuyt (the Man U game where he played a part in all three goals, the Arsenal game where he tore them apart, the Fulham 5-2 game when he looked unplayable). When the big fella plays it restricts Suarez, it slows down the interplay (of which there is little) as the one-twos go out the window, and the fast movement ends. Suarez needs mobile technical players to compliment him (as Forlan does with Uruguay when the pair of them excelled at World Cup 2010 as semi finalists, and Copa America 2011 as winners. Luis is not a player who just runs on to flicked on headers (thats Michael Owen).. he is a very technical player and inorder to get the maximum out of him we need to provide him with similar minded players.

Carroll excells in the air and is at best an aerial option from the bench. Rodgers knows it.