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[LFC2007]

It was in the press conference - think there is a full video on the echo's sight.

Both reports aboout Borini and Carroll have been manufactured brilliantly.

This video: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/07/09/brendan-rodgers-closing-in-on-first-liverpool-fc-signing-video-100252-31356933/ ?

That's the only link I can find of Rodger's discussing Carroll's future and it doesn't include the quotes attributed to Rodgers in the Ben Smith article, so unless you have another source, there's no way of knowing the exact context in which his comments were made. In that case, you either trust that the BBC piece accurately contextualises his comments, or you do what you've done and accuse the BBC of quoting Rodgers out of context, without any evidence to back it up.

Why should anyone take your word for it over the BBC?

[Benny The Noon]

As i said you have formed a theory in your head already and will use the words to back that up when they could have the total opposite meaning

[Benny The Noon]

It was in the press conference - think there is a full video on the echo's sight.

Both reports aboout Borini and Carroll have been manufactured brilliantly.

This video: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2012/07/09/brendan-rodgers-closing-in-on-first-liverpool-fc-signing-video-100252-31356933/ ?

That's the only link I can find of Rodger's discussing Carroll's future and it doesn't include the quotes attributed to Rodgers in the Ben Smith article, so unless you have another source, there's no way of knowing the exact context in which his comments were made. In that case, you either trust that the BBC piece accurately contextualises his comments, or you do what you've done and accuse the BBC of quoting Rodgers out of context, without any evidence to back it up.

Why should anyone take your word for it over the BBC?

I know what i heard in the conference and seen it again to clarify it.

its up to you whose word you want to take.

[maypaxvobiscum]

Agree with Benny regarding the mid-90s team. Fowler and Macca were awesome but at the back you had players like James, Babb, Scales, etc. It was a terrible defense.

I would be shocked if Carroll goes on loan. And especially to an Italian club!? Fvk them! Can't trust Italian clubs especially after the Aquilani debacle. Just because another striker join doesn't mean that someone should leave. Every top club needs at least 3 strikers in my opinion.

Besides, as important as what BR says, it's just as important to know what the reporter is asking as well otherwise no one would know if BR was being asked about Carroll going on loan, or players going on loan generally, such as Flanagan or Suso.

[LFC2007]

I know what i heard in the conference and seen it again to clarify it.

its up to you whose word you want to take.

You're the first person to demand evidence any time anybody on this forum makes an unsubstantiated claim that you instinctively doubt, and yet you want us to take your word for it when you claim that what Rodgers said to the press has been taken out of context by the BBC and others.

Someone remind of the word for that again?

[RichardLFC1]

I know what i heard in the conference and seen it again to clarify it.

its up to you whose word you want to take.

You're the first person to demand evidence any time anybody on this forum makes an unsubstantiated claim that you instinctively doubt, and yet you want us to take your word for it when you claim that what Rodgers said to the press has been taken out of context by the BBC and others.

Someone remind of the word for that again?

Hyprocrite

[Benny The Noon]

I know what i heard in the conference and seen it again to clarify it.

its up to you whose word you want to take.

You're the first person to demand evidence any time anybody on this forum makes an unsubstantiated claim that you instinctively doubt, and yet you want us to take your word for it when you claim that what Rodgers said to the press has been taken out of context by the BBC and others.

Someone remind of the word for that again?

I have said its all in his press conference which is out there for everyone to see. Its your choice if you want to watch the whole of it.

[Benny The Noon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2ORtvI3 ... r_embedded

[friendlyguy33]

Agree with Benny regarding the mid-90s team. Fowler and Macca were awesome but at the back you had players like James, Babb, Scales, etc. It was a terrible defense.

I would be shocked if Carroll goes on loan. And especially to an Italian club!? Fvk them! Can't trust Italian clubs especially after the Aquilani debacle. Just because another striker join doesn't mean that someone should leave. Every top club needs at least 3 strikers in my opinion.

Besides, as important as what BR says, it's just as important to know what the reporter is asking as well otherwise no one would know if BR was being asked about Carroll going on loan, or players going on loan generally, such as Flanagan or Suso.

The defence had its problems after Evans first two years in charge but the main problem then was also the away form in some games and an inability to beat the lesser sides, a problem that has continued since Evans left as manager.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Agree with Benny regarding the mid-90s team. Fowler and Macca were awesome but at the back you had players like James, Babb, Scales, etc. It was a terrible defense.

I would be shocked if Carroll goes on loan. And especially to an Italian club!? Fvk them! Can't trust Italian clubs especially after the Aquilani debacle. Just because another striker join doesn't mean that someone should leave. Every top club needs at least 3 strikers in my opinion.

Besides, as important as what BR says, it's just as important to know what the reporter is asking as well otherwise no one would know if BR was being asked about Carroll going on loan, or players going on loan generally, such as Flanagan or Suso.

The defence had its problems after Evans first two years in charge but the main problem then was also the away form in some games and an inability to beat the lesser sides, a problem that has continued since Evans left as manager.

they had no bottle that side, whats more everyone in the division knew it.

[stew_the_red]

The only thing we know for sure is that Benny is a pontificating, xenophobic and hypocritical psychopath!

[Benny The Noon]

The only thing we know for sure is that Benny is a pontificating, xenophobic and hypocritical psychopath!

Big words from a small person hiding behind a second account.

[parchpea]

We havent found the right balance between defence and attack for donkeys years
and  if Rodgers can have the team keep the ball for longer it will go some way to
resolving that.

That 90s team under Evans had some good players and Roy was quite radical by
choosing to go with 3 centre halfs and wing backs.

I would agree it had a soft centre but generally the lads at that time found it
difficult to grasp he system, especially Babb, Scales and Ruddock at the heart
and it looked horrible on occasion and was often exploited.

They did play some swashbuckling footy on the attack though just not enough
or spoiled by comic defending unfortunately.

[friendlyguy33]

We havent found the right balance between defence and attack for donkeys years
and  if Rodgers can have the team keep the ball for longer it will go some way to
resolving that.

That 90s team under Evans had some good players and Roy was quite radical by
choosing to go with 3 centre halfs and wing backs.

I would agree it had a soft centre but generally the lads at that time found it
difficult to grasp he system, especially Babb, Scales and Ruddock at the heart
and it looked horrible on occasion and was often exploited.

They did play some swashbuckling footy on the attack though just not enough
or spoiled by comic defending unfortunately.

The football was great at times but tactically 5-3-2 didn't really work at that time in the context of how the premiership was developing with United, Blackburn, Arsenal and Newcastle as the main teams to finish above in order to win the title.

By the time Evans realised this and changed things it was too late. We needed someone a bit like Berger but with better crossing and link up ability to complement McManaman's role in the team.

[LFC2007]

I have said its all in his press conference which is out there for everyone to see. Its your choice if you want to watch the whole of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2ORtvI3zM0&feature=player_embedded

It's not in there, but anyway, I can understand him being non-committal about Andy's future. Once he issues a confirmation/denial, he then faces pressure to answer in respect of every other player who has question marks over their futures and that's not a helpful position to be in. I do still doubt whether he'd be non-committal in answering those questions if it was Suarez or Gerrard, Pepe or Lucas who was the subject of speculation. In fact, hasn't he already been very clear about where Suarez's future lies? While not wanting to read too much into these things, that could give us some indication of how he sees Carroll, and it might not be in that category of players he definitely wants to keep. Even if we did receive an offer I don't think we're in a strong enough position to let go of our only out-and-out striker. Borini alone won't do, so unless we plan on brining in another striker in addition to him, I can't see Andy leaving. I would much rather we just kept hold of him and see if he can buld on the improvements he's already made. He's a completely unique option to have in the squad if nothing else.