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Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:44 am wrote:Ok - bring in Borini who has scored once in the prem - the point is exactly the same - if Suarez goes we need to replace him - we can't go into a season with just Sturridge and Borini as our strikers

why? since he returned from injury borini has looked pretty sharp, he scored against newcastle off the bench, rattled the post against fulham and then scored in the semi final and final of the euro U21`s. he`s good enough back up imo. sturridge will play in the majority of the games.
imo sturridge has the potential to be a top, top player and i wouldnt swap him for benteke or lukaku. sturridge came off the bench for us against both united and chelsea when we were getting outplayed and turned the whole momentum of those games around. against city he was the best player on the pitch by a mile and his highlight reel from that game was f##king ridiculous, pele would have been proud of it. at one point when he put the afterburners on and left the city defence floudering in his wake he looked like a video game character because he was moving that quick relative to the other players around him.
i`m happy to go into next season with sturridge and borini as our strikers, especially if we bring in a goalscoring CM like mkhitaryan.

I'm going to put my money on Iago being the bargain of the summer ,when Paco speaks people should take
notice ,he was the reds chief scout for two years and identified Alonso amongst others as a player that would
take the reds to the next level.....So when he states Aspas is part Messi ,part monster I tend to sit up and
listen.


Paco Herrera, the former Liverpool assistant manager who was in charge at Celta earlier this season, once
referred to Aspas as “part Messi, part monster”, neatly encapsulating the schizophrenic nature of a forward
who emerged as a hero to his side and a figure of derision for many opposing fans.

Even in his tribute to the forward, Herrera sounds a warning Rodgers would be wise to take note.

“Iago is our benchmark,” said the Spaniard. “He is our star player in his own right, but there are sometimes small things that can affect Iago as a person and a player. But for us, he is like Messi for Barcelona.”
Those small things can manifest themselves in somewhat bigger ways.

Herrera, until his harsh sacking in February, was almost driven to distraction by Aspas, not least when his head was turned last summer by talk of a move to Valencia.

But he knew this was a talent worth indulging, and it was under Herrera’s tutelage that the forward began to blossom, helping – at least in part – to channel his passion into his game rather than any indiscretions.

Leaving Celta will not have been easy for Aspas, such are his emotion ties to his hometown club.

he doesnt look anything special in his youtube clips or the 2 games i watched him in but thats not to say he wont be a hit here.
a lot of spanish people seem to rate him so lets hope for the best.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:16 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:44 am wrote:Ok - bring in Borini who has scored once in the prem - the point is exactly the same - if Suarez goes we need to replace him - we can't go into a season with just Sturridge and Borini as our strikers

why? since he returned from injury borini has looked pretty sharp, he scored against newcastle off the bench, rattled the post against fulham and then scored in the semi final and final of the euro U21`s. he`s good enough back up imo. sturridge will play in the majority of the games.
imo sturridge has the potential to be a top, top player and i wouldnt swap him for benteke or lukaku. sturridge came off the bench for us against both united and chelsea when we were getting outplayed and turned the whole momentum of those games around. against city he was the best player on the pitch by a mile and his highlight reel from that game was f##king ridiculous, pele would have been proud of it. at one point when he put the afterburners on and left the city defence floudering in his wake he looked like a video game character because he was moving that quick relative to the other players around him.
i`m happy to go into next season with sturridge and borini as our strikers, especially if we bring in a goalscoring CM like mkhitaryan.

Were you happy going into last season with Borini and Suarez ?

Both Sturridge and Borini have suffered multiple injuries in their careers both with us and before that ! And you really want to have a season with just the two as our striking options ?

What is missing from the Sturridge highlight reels is when he countless times takes the wrong option  ? And using Borini hitting a post as an example ! If Suarez goes and he isn't replaced with a quality striker then we won't get higher than 6th - the 5 clubs above us will all have far superior striking options.

Clubs should learn from their mistakes - starting last summer with just Suarez and Borini was a mistake - doing it again is unforgivable incompetence.

RED BEERGOGGLES » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:23 pm wrote:I'm going to put my money on Iago being the bargain of the summer ,when Paco speaks people should take
notice ,he was the reds chief scout for two years and identified Alonso amongst others as a player that would
take the reds to the next level.....So when he states Aspas is part Messi ,part monster I tend to sit up and
listen.


Paco Herrera, the former Liverpool assistant manager who was in charge at Celta earlier this season, once
referred to Aspas as “part Messi, part monster”, neatly encapsulating the schizophrenic nature of a forward
who emerged as a hero to his side and a figure of derision for many opposing fans.

Even in his tribute to the forward, Herrera sounds a warning Rodgers would be wise to take note.

“Iago is our benchmark,” said the Spaniard. “He is our star player in his own right, but there are sometimes small things that can affect Iago as a person and a player. But for us, he is like Messi for Barcelona.”
Those small things can manifest themselves in somewhat bigger ways.

Herrera, until his harsh sacking in February, was almost driven to distraction by Aspas, not least when his head was turned last summer by talk of a move to Valencia.

But he knew this was a talent worth indulging, and it was under Herrera’s tutelage that the forward began to blossom, helping – at least in part – to channel his passion into his game rather than any indiscretions.

Leaving Celta will not have been easy for Aspas, such are his emotion ties to his hometown club.

Bet you a tenner to charity he amounts to next to nothing for us

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:12 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:16 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:44 am wrote:Ok - bring in Borini who has scored once in the prem - the point is exactly the same - if Suarez goes we need to replace him - we can't go into a season with just Sturridge and Borini as our strikers

why? since he returned from injury borini has looked pretty sharp, he scored against newcastle off the bench, rattled the post against fulham and then scored in the semi final and final of the euro U21`s. he`s good enough back up imo. sturridge will play in the majority of the games.
imo sturridge has the potential to be a top, top player and i wouldnt swap him for benteke or lukaku. sturridge came off the bench for us against both united and chelsea when we were getting outplayed and turned the whole momentum of those games around. against city he was the best player on the pitch by a mile and his highlight reel from that game was f##king ridiculous, pele would have been proud of it. at one point when he put the afterburners on and left the city defence floudering in his wake he looked like a video game character because he was moving that quick relative to the other players around him.
i`m happy to go into next season with sturridge and borini as our strikers, especially if we bring in a goalscoring CM like mkhitaryan.

Were you happy going into last season with Borini and Suarez ?

Both Sturridge and Borini have suffered multiple injuries in their careers both with us and before that ! And you really want to have a season with just the two as our striking options ?

What is missing from the Sturridge highlight reels is when he countless times takes the wrong option  ? And using Borini hitting a post as an example ! If Suarez goes and he isn't replaced with a quality striker then we won't get higher than 6th - the 5 clubs above us will all have far superior striking options.

Clubs should learn from their mistakes - starting last summer with just Suarez and Borini was a mistake - doing it again is unforgivable incompetence.

we shouldnt just be relying on our CF to score goals, we should be bringing in a wide forward who can get goals and also an goalscoring midfielder like mkhitaryan. i wouldnt waste big money on a player that would unbalance our front 3. you seem to think that a CF is the only player in a team allowed to score.

Why would a striker unbalance our front three ?

I seem to think that last season we were massively short up front for options and we had Suarez and Borini - if Suarez goes we will be left with Sturridge and Borini as our options !?! That's utterly crazy - just look at the options the other teams have and we are lacking badly.

Go into a season with just Borini and Sturridge and we are fecked.

Benny, I don't think you realize how our formation actually works. Practically, we don't have a single CF. All three players that play up front have almost the same responsibilities and very often change positions, so the CF could switch with the winger and the left winger could switch with the right winger and even the AMF could switch with any of the front three, at any point of the game, numerous times. That's how Rodgers wants us to play. So a CF isn't our main striking power. Our main striking power is our whole front line.
So that's why I think we need to improve on the other attacking positions where we have only Downing (a player who doesn't even fit) instead of spending money on a CF, a position that is already filled. If we were in the Benitez era I would agree with you, but now we play differently.

Again one of the main players in our attacking line up is Suarez - lose him and out attacking edge drops massively so he must be replaced. I fully understand the system but you still need a focal point marque striker who will get you goals from nothing - Suarez is that for us - RvP for the Mancs etc.

Lose Suarez and don't replace him correctly and we go backwards. Go into a season with two injury prone strikers as our only strikers and we go backwards.

Replacing Suarez is a bit different for us then what it would be for Man United if they're replacing RvP. We don't necessarily need to replace Suarez with a CF. We could replace him with players like Mkhtaryan and/or, say, Luis Muriel. I'm not saying that we shouldn't replace our best player with a big money marque signing, I'd actually be angry if we didn't, I'm saying that Suarez' replacement doesn't need to be a CF. I'd be more than happy if we replaced him with Henrik and Muriel, and stick with Sturridge at CF, wouldn't you?

And when Sturridge gets injured ?- sorry but I massively disagree - we need a top quality striker , currently we have Suarez. Lose him we need a quality striker in to replace him because Sturridge won't get us goals from nowhere , when the game is tight and you need something magical - Suarez does it , before that it was Torres , Owen , Fowler , Rush , Kenny etc.

Lose Suarez then go spend £20mil plus on Soldaldo , Benzema etc

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:10 pm wrote:And when Sturridge gets injured ?- sorry but I massively disagree - we need a top quality striker , currently we have Suarez. Lose him we need a quality striker in to replace him because Sturridge won't get us goals from nowhere , when the game is tight and you need something magical - Suarez does it , before that it was Torres , Owen , Fowler , Rush , Kenny etc.

Lose Suarez then go spend £20mil plus on Soldaldo , Benzema etc

spend £20m on a back up forward?
and when suarez was out we did just fine

Spending £20mil on a Suarez replacement ( if he goes )a quality proven forward to go straight into the team. Yes we did ok for a couple of games without him - do you really fancy going to whole season without someone like him.

Benny The Noon » Sat Jun 22, 2013 5:29 pm wrote:Spending £20mil on a Suarez replacement ( if he goes )a quality proven forward to go straight into the team. Yes we did ok for a couple of games without him - do you really fancy going to whole season without someone like him.

so this new £20m man comes in and sturridge gets shoved out wide where he is only half as effective?
sturridge has done enough imo to be our number 1 striker, if benzema came in and scored 12 goals in 15 games, scored against city, united and chelsea, scored a hat trick away at fulham, scored 2 away at newcastle in a demolition job and generally looked as good as sturridge has done you wouldnt be crying for another £20m striker so why are you moaning now?
as i have said countless times if suarez goes lets bring in players that suit our system, lets bring in a goalscoring center mid and a exciting wide player.
if you had coutinho behind sturridge, luis muriel outside him and mkhitaryan supporting him from midfield i dont think we`d need another striker, and whats more my idea builds on one of the few things last season that worked i.e coutinho`s partnership with sturridge.
i`d love to see coutinho threading through balls through to flying machines like sturridge and muriel.

Luis Muriel is far from the finished product and still unproven as yet - not sure on the big clamour for him as yet.

Again Sturridge has had countless injuries in his career so far - goes through spurts of goals then slumps in his short career so far - the difference in ability between the top strikers and Sturridge is quite clear. He had a burst with Bolton then with Chelsea and had with us but is he really in the mould of the top strikers - not for me he isn't

Sturridge is a good player to have in our squad - has the ability to play across the front free and will get us a decent amount of goals but IMO he isn't top class , he isn't good enough to lead a top team into the CL , he won't give the club enough game breaking moments , he doesn't have enough in his locker for that but definitely a guy to have in the squad to rotate with other players.

It is a squad game - the Mancs had 3 strikers - 2 quality ones yet went and spent £20mil plus on another. With the amount of suspensions and injuries and games throughout the season we can't start a season with a forward line if Suarez goes that we currently have.