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woof woof ! » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:46 pm wrote:

Doeboy » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:16 pm wrote:Fabregas to Chelsea confirmed. Don't think we were ever realistically in for him

Makes you wonder just how "ambitious" we are.

While we're considering players like Adam Johnson Chelsea make a real statement.

Top player, not yet at his peak, years of prem and european experience under his belt.

Why the f'uck weren't we seriously in for him ?

Honestly believe we could have got him if we displayed any real intent.

to think he only went for 2mil more than what we offered for lallana as well   
dont think we would ever have been serious about him anyway due to the wage he would command which is a shame as he is a damn good player who would inject much needed quality into the starting lineup

arsenal might be looking at reina
http://metro.co.uk/2014/06/12/arsenal-s ... a-4759275/?

Rakitic to Barca for only 20 million euros reportedly (although not yet official) and now Fabregas to chelsea. We are trying to pay as much or more for Lallana as these two clubs are paying for more talented players, and yet we're still being told we need to fork up more. I fee like we have this reputation for being bullied into paying more as we always seem to pay over the odds and give in. We've been desperate, clubs have been taking advantage of that, and now any time we go in for a transfer we end up paying way more than we should be.

I hope we can fix this without just not buying players, like what happened in January anytime we tried to play hardball.

I also don't understand why others aren't going in for these players that are going for so cheap, and at least force clubs to pay more like spurs love doing to us. I know Fabregas allegedly had others, but it seems clear there was no bidding war.

only me » Thu Jun 12, 2014 2:27 pm wrote:If we get Lovern ,Moreno and Llanna are we in a good position or still much more work needed?

Maybe plus a new goalkeeper. And maybe someone better than Lovren. I rate Lovren but we really need someone more exciting for that position.

Don't know why everyone is panicking so much. We're pretty good in most positions anyway, and we're trying hard to strengthen our weaker positions. Chelsea sign Fabregas (another midfielder  ) and people lose their minds like it's the end of the world for us.

Fabregas is past his best imo despite only being 27.  Still a very good player, but he won't have the same impact he had at Arsenal and you can quote me on that.

A lot of players who break into first teams at big clubs as wonder kids seem to burn out early, so it's nothing new.

Fowler and Owen were both past their best by their late 20's.  Look at Rooney now - 28 and clearly his best days are gone.

Wenger knows his stuff - if he thought Fabregas was capable of the same performance levels as he was first time around he'd have taken up the first option.  Why do Barcelona and Arsenal (the only two clubs he has played for) not want him?

I'm not saying he's not still good, but I do think injuries have taken their toll and probably Chelsea have overpaid.

It's a fair comparison with the Lallana price though - Southampton are wanting a similar fee for a player only a year or two younger who is clearly not as proven at the top level.  But I'm not saying Lallana is worth that either - the 25-30 mil fee for him is also not value for money imo.

Rakitic for 20mil euros on the other hand sounds like the best deal of the three.

Chelsea have massively improved their first team by signing a top class midfield player who can score and create.

We should be in for players of this quality, the lack of an attempt to sign him is frightening to be quite honest and the quality of players we are being linked with is a joke. The transfer policy has been a shambles under Rodgers and this summer I am still hoping to see a change, so far I'm not impressed. Not even slightlyw!

Stu the Red » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:54 pm wrote:Chelsea have massively improved their first team by signing a top class midfield player who can score and create.

We should be in for players of this quality, the lack of an attempt to sign him is frightening to be quite honest and the quality of players we are being linked with is a joke. The transfer policy has been a shambles under Rodgers and this summer I am still hoping to see a change, so far I'm not impressed. Not even slightlyw!

That's if Fabregas can remember how to play centre mid mate!!

A couple of seasons playing wide or as a 'false 9' won't have done his game any favours let alone the injuries.

What is concerning is how quickly and easily Chelsea seem to wrap up their transfers - including massive names.  We still look like amateurs on that front.

Let's hope he falls into the same 'big transfer flop' category at Chelsea as Shevchenko and Torres.  If he does somehow rekindle his Arsenal form and they wrap up the Costa deal then they'll be some force next year.

John fabregas is a top class player mate I have no doubt him and matic will be immense next season. If Chelsea sign a top class striker which they will they will win the league next season.

I think this summer is looking liketa reality check for us. Rodgers isn't attracting the quality of players we need. We dont need good solid signings who improve the squad. We need a top quality RIGHT BACK NOT LEFT, a centre half and a keeper. Skrtel mignolet and Johnson must be replaced. If they aren't, we may get away with replacing two of them but if we dont I can see us struggling for top four next year.

Fabregas is a top quality player, knows the league and at his peak and would have slotted right in. Would have been an amazing signing however I couldn't really see it happening once Chelsea got involved. Think he will be an excellent signing for them. I'm not worried though, early days in the window and I'm confident we will address our requirements this summer

Interesting that Barca have openly criticised Fabrigas and stated that his record of 1 goal, 6 goals and 1 goal in the last 24 games of each of the last three seasons is not good enough. To be frank in that league it is downright poor. Hopefully he will prove to be as good for them as Torres has. If he really was still really worth £30m and at the peak of his powers would Barca have sold him. And more to the point why didn't Arsenal take up their option?

Completely different class of player to Henderson and cant quite believe people are thinking he's no good. At the end of the day, just because you aren't good enough to replace xavi and iniesta doesn't mean you're a bad player. Fabregas is class, I think anyone saying otherwise is is a deluded Muppet.

He would have been a tremendous signing and I cant understand why on earth we didn't even try. To be honest... I find our entire transfer philosophy pathetically inept. I was hoping for change this summer, the biggest names we've been linked with are Pedro and Sanchez... We must do better in the market.

We need to go after a couple of world beaters. Sort out the three week links with top players and we will be one hell of a side

On the one side Stu I find myself agreeing with you, but I also find you in Betty territory quite a lot too  . Do we know for sure that we weren't in for Fabregas? If a player doesn't want to come, then no amount of money is going to change that. I am not convinced that BR isn't a big draw, I am still not convinced the WE are as big of a draw as some think on here. Liverpool hasn't been a consideration for 10 years really and there's a generation of players that most likely see us a lot lower down than the chelseas, city's and utd's of the world....I understand that personally and I am not fully convinced that a major signing will do much to change that. I think we need another solid season with good representation in the CL and people will start to view us differently. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see some names come in and I have a feeling that we might just do that, but I don't think it is as doom and gloom and reason to panic as you make out. Last transfer window the same discussion occured and we almost won the league. That could be a fluke, or it might not have been....have to wait and see

Do not compare me too that inbred fu*k tard

The reality is last season we were extremely fortunate with injury and suspensions, and we basically had a week to prepare for every game. This season we dont and I'm personally expecting less luck on that front. Also I am expecting someone too look at the amount of pens we had last year and half it (right or wrong). We were good enough to make these bits of luck count to an extent, which is a major positive. But the reality is the season coming will be massively different. Teams will learn from what Chelsea done, they will learn to expose our glaring weaknesses.

The main point about the last window, was only really sahko looks like he could add anything to the squad. The main additions to the first team last season were Flanagan and sterling. The keeper is awful and we need to sort out our defence. I do feel a big name with the right quality is needed to make a statement. At the minute, as it stands, Rodgers has had one outstanding window (and even in that he's not signed a player you would call world class) and three and a half shocking windows. I am worried, because I haven't seen anything to suggest I shouldn't be.