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30 million for Willian and not really a consistent goalscorer , Yes we do need quality but the price is just too ridiculous .
Would prefer a cheeky bid for Juan Mata tho , now thats a player who is worth 30 million .

I really don't know what to think about Willian. He's not a bad player, far from it, but he's way overpriced and overrated. Also, people say that he'll link up well with our other attackers, and there really is a good chance that this will be the case, but what we really need in our attack is a goal scorer. We have no problems with getting in good positions, but more often than not we see our players having troubles with actually putting the ball in the net. Willian is not really a goal scorer and it would have been better if we spent all that money on McTaryan, an attacking midfielder who scores goals. It's so late in the transfer window, I really don't know what we should do.

from talksport:


Andre Villas-Boas has admitted his admiration for Willian, but denied reports Tottenham have tabled an offer for the Anzhi Makhachkala ace.

Anzhi owner Suleiman Kerimov has decided to drastically cut the Russian club's budget and is ready to sell his star attacker this summer.

Reports in the media suggested Spurs had made a move for the Brazil international and will rival Liverpool for his signature.

However, when asked on Monday whether he had launched a bid for the 25-year-old, Villas-Boas said: "No, no."

The Tottenham manager did, however, reveal he is a big fan of the former Shakhtar star, adding: "He is a player who I appreciate. He belongs to them and I respect them so I wouldn't like to extend myself too much."

Spurs have splashed out close to £60million this summer, with Paulinho, Nacer Chadli, Roberto Soldado and Etienne Capoue all arriving at White Hart Lane in recent weeks.

But, after seeing his side scrape past Crystal Palace in their Premier League opener on Sunday, Villas-Boas is keen to strengthen further.

"We haven't finished," the 35-year-old said. "We have a very, very good squad. We have done most of our activity in the market, but we are looking further on that. There is a possibility [of new signings], yes."

Completely agree with both chriserfolg and damjam193. Willian is a good player but is not worth the prices quoted. For that kind of money for an attacking player, I'd want more goals from him. Willian's goal scoring record is poor. I'd take him for say £15-20m but anything over that I really think we are being taken to the cleaners

We have two goal scoring players in Suarez and Sturridge. We need creators. We have Coutinho and Gerrard, but adding WIllian would give us a threat from a position we wouldn't have as much of a threat otherwise. Also, adding another player of his ability takes some pressure of the likes of Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho from defenders who have to keep an eye on him.

Willian could really top off our attack and give us, in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best attack in the prem, behind city and maybe chelsea (who still play torres as striker for some reason).

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:35 pm wrote:Willian has been playing in Europe for a number of years and has played in the CL for a number of years and has already been the subject of one big transfer.

Ronaldo arrived as an untested untried spotty teenager.

Willian has proved himself in the CL against top clubs. And has been highly though off by a number of teams. He provides the quality we need. Yes he is a bit over priced and yes he is a risk but he isn't Andy Carroll and if everytime we look to spend £30 mil people dismiss it because of the Carroll deal then we won't buy anyone.

I beg to disagree... he was in and out of Shakhtar's first team... well maybe not in and out but he wasn't the "first name on the team sheet" sort of player. and that was in the Ukranian league! And at Anzhi as well he probably only played 50% of the games... Just because he played well in CL doesn't mean that we should be splahing out 30 million. And his stats? I would say they're alright... but again it was in the Ukranian league! I would even accept it if we are thinking about paying 20 million for him. I'm not denying he's a good player... but 30 million??? My God! And at age 25 he is supposed to be fully developed... For 30 million, I would say look elsewhere... please!

ethanr » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:22 pm wrote:We have two goal scoring players in Suarez and Sturridge. We need creators. We have Coutinho and Gerrard, but adding WIllian would give us a threat from a position we wouldn't have as much of a threat otherwise. Also, adding another player of his ability takes some pressure of the likes of Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho from defenders who have to keep an eye on him.

Willian could really top off our attack and give us, in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best attack in the prem, behind city and maybe chelsea (who still play torres as striker for some reason).

I would say Suarez is a creator as well... The team needs balance... Willian is too similar to Coutinho... and we also already got Aspas who is also somewhat similar... for 15-20 million it's fine. But to spend 30 million on areas we don't necessarily need strengthening? I would look into replacing Henderson's and Lucas' positions first. As well as a CB.

Doeboy » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:35 pm wrote:Completely agree with both chriserfolg and damjam193. Willian is a good player but is not worth the prices quoted. For that kind of money for an attacking player, I'd want more goals from him. Willian's goal scoring record is poor. I'd take him for say £15-20m but anything over that I really think we are being taken to the cleaners

EXACTLY...

Look to who exactly ? We have a quality player willing to join us regardless of CL - to do that we will have to pay a bit more than we all think he is worth.

And in and out of the Shakter team ? Really - seems that he has been a first team regular all season for the last 4-5 seasons bar injuries and then played in the majority of Anzhi games in the second half last season. And yes playing well in CL is a good indicator of a player.

He is a player who will add a lot to our team - he will replace Downing and a lot more than that. The owners and manager are showing intent by trying to get this guy. He isn't Andy Carroll.

maguskwt » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:34 pm wrote:

ethanr » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:22 pm wrote:We have two goal scoring players in Suarez and Sturridge. We need creators. We have Coutinho and Gerrard, but adding WIllian would give us a threat from a position we wouldn't have as much of a threat otherwise. Also, adding another player of his ability takes some pressure of the likes of Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho from defenders who have to keep an eye on him.

Willian could really top off our attack and give us, in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best attack in the prem, behind city and maybe chelsea (who still play torres as striker for some reason).

I would say Suarez is a creator as well... The team needs balance... Willian is too similar to Coutinho... and we also already got Aspas who is also somewhat similar... for 15-20 million it's fine. But to spend 30 million on areas we don't necessarily need strengthening? I would look into replacing Henderson's and Lucas' positions first. As well as a CB.

Willian and Coutinho aren't too similar - Willian is more of a wider player which would then allow Coutinho to play in the middle instead of Henderson

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:41 pm wrote:Look to who exactly ? We have a quality player willing to join us regardless of CL - to do that we will have to pay a bit more than we all think he is worth.

And in and out of the Shakter team ? Really - seems that he has been a first team regular all season for the last 4-5 seasons bar injuries and then played in the majority of Anzhi games in the second half last season. And yes playing well in CL is a good indicator of a player.

He is a player who will add a lot to our team - he will replace Downing and a lot more than that. The owners and manager are showing intent by trying to get this guy. He isn't Andy Carroll.

14 appearances in the 2012-2013 season... how many league games does the Ukranian premier league have? 22 apearances in all competitions over the whole season... why is that?

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:43 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:34 pm wrote:

ethanr » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:22 pm wrote:We have two goal scoring players in Suarez and Sturridge. We need creators. We have Coutinho and Gerrard, but adding WIllian would give us a threat from a position we wouldn't have as much of a threat otherwise. Also, adding another player of his ability takes some pressure of the likes of Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho from defenders who have to keep an eye on him.

Willian could really top off our attack and give us, in my opinion the 2nd or 3rd best attack in the prem, behind city and maybe chelsea (who still play torres as striker for some reason).

I would say Suarez is a creator as well... The team needs balance... Willian is too similar to Coutinho... and we also already got Aspas who is also somewhat similar... for 15-20 million it's fine. But to spend 30 million on areas we don't necessarily need strengthening? I would look into replacing Henderson's and Lucas' positions first. As well as a CB.

Willian and Coutinho aren't too similar - Willian is more of a wider player which would then allow Coutinho to play in the middle instead of Henderson

What makes you say that Willian is a "wider" player? He is an attacking midfielder/ wide player... seems the same as Coutinho to me...

maguskwt » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:48 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:41 pm wrote:Look to who exactly ? We have a quality player willing to join us regardless of CL - to do that we will have to pay a bit more than we all think he is worth.

And in and out of the Shakter team ? Really - seems that he has been a first team regular all season for the last 4-5 seasons bar injuries and then played in the majority of Anzhi games in the second half last season. And yes playing well in CL is a good indicator of a player.

He is a player who will add a lot to our team - he will replace Downing and a lot more than that. The owners and manager are showing intent by trying to get this guy. He isn't Andy Carroll.

14 appearances in the 2012-2013 season... how many league games does the Ukranian premier league have? 22 apearances in all competitions... why is that?

Because he transferred halfway through the season the Anzhi.

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:52 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:48 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:41 pm wrote:Look to who exactly ? We have a quality player willing to join us regardless of CL - to do that we will have to pay a bit more than we all think he is worth.

And in and out of the Shakter team ? Really - seems that he has been a first team regular all season for the last 4-5 seasons bar injuries and then played in the majority of Anzhi games in the second half last season. And yes playing well in CL is a good indicator of a player.

He is a player who will add a lot to our team - he will replace Downing and a lot more than that. The owners and manager are showing intent by trying to get this guy. He isn't Andy Carroll.

14 appearances in the 2012-2013 season... how many league games does the Ukranian premier league have? 22 apearances in all competitions... why is that?

Because he transferred halfway through the season the Anzhi.

ok... my bad then... but 7 games for Anzhi... for half a season... how many games does the Russian league have in half a season? 

maguskwt » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:51 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:43 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Mon Aug 19, 2013 4:34 pm wrote:I would say Suarez is a creator as well... The team needs balance... Willian is too similar to Coutinho... and we also already got Aspas who is also somewhat similar... for 15-20 million it's fine. But to spend 30 million on areas we don't necessarily need strengthening? I would look into replacing Henderson's and Lucas' positions first. As well as a CB.

Willian and Coutinho aren't too similar - Willian is more of a wider player which would then allow Coutinho to play in the middle instead of Henderson

What makes you say that Willian is a "wider" player? He is an attacking midfielder/ wide player... seems the same as Coutinho to me...

Because Willian is naturally a wider player - as opposed to Coutinho who drifts infield - with both of them in the team you then have a far greater potent creative force supplying ammunition for Sturridge and possibly Suarez