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by **Greavesie** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:35 am

In and Out wrote:
Greavesie wrote:only Joe Cole so far has been signed by Hodgson isn't it? the other two were pretty much done weren't they?

and Cole was a pretty obvious player to approach given his situation - not that I'm taking a side either way here like

You are Benny the Noon and I claim my fiver

? ? ???

and how the hell did you reach that conclusion?

never been so offended on this board

no offence Benny lad

by **NANNY RED** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:36 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:right, letsput the thread back on track and leave the agenda sh!te at the door

is Young good enough for LFC?
is he a decent back up?
is the fee reasonable for a player of his calibre?
where/how often do you think he will be used?
is this an indicator of the quality of players Roy is looking at?

1 no
2 no
3 no
4 dont know
5 yes

How is this an indication of the quality of players Hodgson aims to sign.

Joe Cole is a world class player, great signing.
Jovanovic is an unknown to a certain extent but still a world cup striker.

Just because we're linked with a premier league squad player for the left back role, how is it the conversation always swings back to Hodgson making bad decisions.

It would be nice to the same good faith being shown to Hodgson as was shown to Benitez in his first year.

I am not gonna get into the old this and that debate, and i have not disrepected Roy since he bacame out manager and will continue to support him while he is here , but i have a right to call a signing wether its good or bad , These are the type of players he likes so you only have to look at his previous clubs, Im dissapointed to say the least but with no money yes we are going to be looking at the type of player that Roy has tried to sign before , thats is not questioning my faith in him ,thats being realistic

by **mrt** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:44 am

Get some pies down Darby's neck and give him a go. Would rather use the money elsewhere.

by **puroresu** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:54 am

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:right, letsput the thread back on track and leave the agenda sh!te at the door

is Young good enough for LFC?
is he a decent back up?
is the fee reasonable for a player of his calibre?
where/how often do you think he will be used?
is this an indicator of the quality of players Roy is looking at?

1 no
2 no
3 no
4 dont know
5 yes

How is this an indication of the quality of players Hodgson aims to sign.

Joe Cole is a world class player, great signing.
Jovanovic is an unknown to a certain extent but still a world cup striker.

Just because we're linked with a premier league squad player for the left back role, how is it the conversation always swings back to Hodgson making bad decisions.

It would be nice to the same good faith being shown to Hodgson as was shown to Benitez in his first year.

Joe Cole is a very good player. World class he is not. That term gets used way too much.

by **crazyhorse** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:56 am

Personally I think it would be a good move. Young is a good solid professional, and at right back you are never going to see many world beaters!

I seem to remember a few signings of players in recent years, which were frees or very low transfer fees....

Hyppia and Finnan ring any bells?

Possibly, Young will do well. If he does not, well we have not lost much have we?

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:02 pm

puroresu wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:right, letsput the thread back on track and leave the agenda sh!te at the door

is Young good enough for LFC?
is he a decent back up?
is the fee reasonable for a player of his calibre?
where/how often do you think he will be used?
is this an indicator of the quality of players Roy is looking at?

1 no
2 no
3 no
4 dont know
5 yes

How is this an indication of the quality of players Hodgson aims to sign.

Joe Cole is a world class player, great signing.
Jovanovic is an unknown to a certain extent but still a world cup striker.

Just because we're linked with a premier league squad player for the left back role, how is it the conversation always swings back to Hodgson making bad decisions.

It would be nice to the same good faith being shown to Hodgson as was shown to Benitez in his first year.

Joe Cole is a very good player. World class he is not. That term gets used way too much.

Well I guess we must agree to disagree.

I think the crux of the matter is that some on here expect all positions to be filled with amazing players.

Not many knew of Arbeloa when Benitez signed him, arguably a spanish Luke Young. Similar transfer fee, similar style, never going to make headlines but does the job. The left back role just needs to be reliable in my opinion.

Lets get back to basics, defenders defend and midfields/strikers attack.

by **LittleHobo** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:03 pm

bare in mind also the 8 homegrown rule

we really dont wanna be putting kids in the 25 man squad who aint good enough, so another englishman is wise

by **stmichael** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:04 pm

NANNY RED wrote:Do you know whats making me laugh , some of yous have been going on and on about getting rid of our dead wood and yet its ok now that were bringing in another piece, let me ask you this , would he have been a good signing last season or would the managers sanity have been called into question because i certainly would have wanted him to get his head checked out, We have got enough cover for right back and with the lad Wilson coming in an all gives us plenty of options, This money should be going towards aleft back , simple . Villa paid i think between 2-3 million for him get there money back of us, we wont make a penny

What did anyone expect when Roy came in? He was always going to add a few experienced English players.

I personally wouldn't have thought of signing Young but having looked at it, I can see the merit in doing so from the manager's point of view. Infact I see it a bit like when we signed the Greek last season. He had a lot of experience, didn't cost the earth and came in and did well.

I personally can't believe there's more talk about this signing than Torres staying on.

by **puroresu** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:14 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:
puroresu wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:right, letsput the thread back on track and leave the agenda sh!te at the door

is Young good enough for LFC?
is he a decent back up?
is the fee reasonable for a player of his calibre?
where/how often do you think he will be used?
is this an indicator of the quality of players Roy is looking at?

1 no
2 no
3 no
4 dont know
5 yes

How is this an indication of the quality of players Hodgson aims to sign.

Joe Cole is a world class player, great signing.
Jovanovic is an unknown to a certain extent but still a world cup striker.

Just because we're linked with a premier league squad player for the left back role, how is it the conversation always swings back to Hodgson making bad decisions.

It would be nice to the same good faith being shown to Hodgson as was shown to Benitez in his first year.

Joe Cole is a very good player. World class he is not. That term gets used way too much.

Well I guess we must agree to disagree.

I think the crux of the matter is that some on here expect all positions to be filled with amazing players.

Not many knew of Arbeloa when Benitez signed him, arguably a spanish Luke Young. Similar transfer fee, similar style, never going to make headlines but does the job. The left back role just needs to be reliable in my opinion.

Lets get back to basics, defenders defend and midfields/strikers attack.

I have no issue with signing players who are not necessarily ‘amazing’ but my issue with Young is I know what his like and don’t think his good enough for us. His 31 and only going down from here.

I like to think the club has a sufficient scouting network where they can find some unknown young gems for under £3 mil pounds. They are out there.

I don’t like the idea of players coming in the wrong side of 30. Unless they are very good players I don’t really see the attraction.

As for the homegrown thing as I mentioned before. Scotland has had the ruling for years yet the standard of players Scotland has produced has declined if anything and continues to get worse. I want players to make the squad and matchday squad on merit and not because of a ruling which say’s they must be picked.

by **Owzat** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:25 pm

Russian doll! Russian doll! Quick mods, bump the thread back up! :laugh:

Agree with Puroresu, it is hard to get excited by signing 30+ year olds and spending £2m+ on them when they are at best journeymen footballers. And to pick up on other "observations" :

- he's English. So f in what? I think a few people need to get their heads round the whole homegrown player ruling because even Citeh shouldn't be that bothered by it. I mean what hardship they might suffer IF they have to sell seven players. Arsenal must be laughing at people who knocked them for lacking English players with the new rule imminent since players like Fabregas, Denilson, Song and Bendtner qualify as homegrown! It has more holes in it than swiss cheese as rules go

- Kyrgiakos is old and look how he worked out. What so we should buy Young because a signing worked out ok playing limited games and of course Young is English. Wow! I thought we tried to sign good players at a good price, preferably under 30 and if they're English then that's a bonus. We don't watch out then Woy could turn us into Fulham and have an ageing squad of decent players but nothing special. If people want rid of Lucas, Insua, N'Gog and Babel then what is our youth? Nemeth and Pacheco who may or may not make it? Cole is 28, Young 31, Jovanovic 29 and while Wilson and Shelvey may be very young, they are also unproven because of it - especially in a decent top flight league

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 12:57 pm

puroresu wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
puroresu wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
Greavesie wrote:right, letsput the thread back on track and leave the agenda sh!te at the door

is Young good enough for LFC?
is he a decent back up?
is the fee reasonable for a player of his calibre?
where/how often do you think he will be used?
is this an indicator of the quality of players Roy is looking at?

1 no
2 no
3 no
4 dont know
5 yes

How is this an indication of the quality of players Hodgson aims to sign.

Joe Cole is a world class player, great signing.
Jovanovic is an unknown to a certain extent but still a world cup striker.

Just because we're linked with a premier league squad player for the left back role, how is it the conversation always swings back to Hodgson making bad decisions.

It would be nice to the same good faith being shown to Hodgson as was shown to Benitez in his first year.

Joe Cole is a very good player. World class he is not. That term gets used way too much.

Well I guess we must agree to disagree.

I think the crux of the matter is that some on here expect all positions to be filled with amazing players.

Not many knew of Arbeloa when Benitez signed him, arguably a spanish Luke Young. Similar transfer fee, similar style, never going to make headlines but does the job. The left back role just needs to be reliable in my opinion.

Lets get back to basics, defenders defend and midfields/strikers attack.

I have no issue with signing players who are not necessarily ‘amazing’ but my issue with Young is I know what his like and don’t think his good enough for us. His 31 and only going down from here.

I like to think the club has a sufficient scouting network where they can find some unknown young gems for under £3 mil pounds. They are out there.

I don’t like the idea of players coming in the wrong side of 30. Unless they are very good players I don’t really see the attraction.

As for the homegrown thing as I mentioned before. Scotland has had the ruling for years yet the standard of players Scotland has produced has declined if anything and continues to get worse. I want players to make the squad and matchday squad on merit and not because of a ruling which say’s they must be picked.

The exact same thing was said when Gary McAllister was signed by Houllier.

"Too old"
"Past it"
"Not good enough for Liverpool"

Turned out to be a legend. Experiences pay some times. Not saying that Young will be the next McAllister in terms of impact but I'm willing to trust Hodgson if he thinks he can do a job.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:05 pm

I'll say it for the mods... Matryoshka Doll not allowed!

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:11 pm

SouthCoastShankly wrote:The exact same thing was said when Gary McAllister was signed by Houllier.

"Too old"
"Past it"
"Not good enough for Liverpool"

Turned out to be a legend. Experiences pay some times. Not saying that Young will be the next McAllister in terms of impact but I'm willing to trust Hodgson if he thinks he can do a job.

Oh come ON :laugh:

comparing Gary Mac and Luke young.... :no

by **maguskwt** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:17 pm

I think some people argue for the sake of arguing on here sometimes...

let's face it we have no use for Luke Young... and to pay 2.5 million pounds for him? Right moves so far with joe cole by Roy, but this one's :no

I hope he doesn't agree to move...

by **LFC2007** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:31 pm

1) Martin Kelly is our best defensive prospect since Steven Warnock and it's time for him to be an understudy to a first teamer. Carragher did it (albeit in different positions), Jonny Evans and Rafael have done it, and the latter two have been absolutely lauded by some on here. Kelly can be our equivalent.

2) Even if he - Young - might be decent general defensive cover, the squad has more pressing needs at both LB (a proper one), and up front. I'd sooner see the £2.75m - plus a spot on the wage bill - concentrated where it is needed most, instead of filling the squad with "options and possibilities", which we don't like, or do we? :laugh:

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