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by **dawson99** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:09 am

Star Players and Agbonlahor in the same sentance, now thats an oxymoron. MON i would never want, cant stand the man.

As for Maureen bigMick, I'm surprised you think he would have had us winning the league with exactly the same players. Thats a very bold statement.

I dont like Maureen, i think he detracts too much away from the players, but, i dunno. Who knows what'll happen in football. As long as its not MON im happy tho lol

by **bigmick** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:37 am

dawson99 wrote:As for Maureen bigMick, I'm surprised you think he would have had us winning the league with exactly the same players. Thats a very bold statement.

It is bold Daws, and in all honesty it means nothing because we'll never know either way. It's a bit like a staunch Rafa man saying if we had signed Gareth Barry then he knows for sure we would have won the title.

Not my best line of arguement to be perfectly honest mate.

by **dawson99** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:41 am

bigmick wrote:
dawson99 wrote:As for Maureen bigMick, I'm surprised you think he would have had us winning the league with exactly the same players. Thats a very bold statement.

It is bold Daws, and in all honesty it means nothing because we'll never know either way. It's a bit like a staunch Rafa man saying if we had signed Gareth Barry then he knows for sure we would have won the title.

Not my best line of arguement to be perfectly honest mate.

But I do see where you're coming from. Rafa has made some... bizarre choices this term, and anyone else would have done it differently which could have been better

by **bigmick** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:34 am

Well I'm gonna feck off to bed in a mo, but I'll be an Inter fan tomorrow morning. I must admit I've found Mourinho's little mind games with Ferguson funny over the last couple of days, and I really hope he can improve upon his record of only ever having lost once to Man Utd in 12 meetings with different clubs. He's been saying that man Utd will be ultra defensive (denied by Ferguson who says they'll attack

) and also that the tie will go until the final minute at Old Trafford, and may evenutually be decided in extra time or even on penalties. Ferguson disagrees and thinks it'll be decided in Italy, but you can tell he has an absolute mountain of respect for Mourinho, and is treading very warily in the mind games.

I'll stick my neck out, set myself up for ridicule and make a prediction. I do think Mourinho's goading will have wound fergie up a bit, and I do think Man U will attack. I fancy the Italians to nick a goal, but the quality of man Utd to prevail. I think Fergie will improve his record against Mourinho with a 2-1 win. Mourinho will of course hail this as a triumph :laugh:

and point out that this will now leave man Utd unsure whether to attack or defend atOld Trafford. I fancy the Italians to score first over in England and induce mild panic, before a late goal sees Man Utd progress 3-2 and hugs all round.

To hear Mourinho though in these mind games, pre match wind ups and the like is to hear a master at work in his field.

by **GYBS** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:37 pm

mick how come maureen didnt win the league in his third season with chelsea if you think he would win it with them this season if he was there considering that team back then was stronger .

by **bigmick** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:42 pm

Don't know mate, maybe they went stale or something. I will look into it for you though :laugh:

Anyway, it's 0-0 in the San Siro but feck knows how. Man Utd are absolutely all over a very ordinary looking Inter team. The strange thing for me is, when you're watching it from an outsiders point of view, Mourinho's gamesmanship is absolutely classic to the point of being funny. Just before half time, in a clearly orchestrated and pre meditated attempt to derail the flow of the match, he and all the subs start remonstrating with the ref for no discentable reason. The game stops, the reserve goalie gets booked (he's p!ssing himself laughing about it afterwards), Man Utd lose concentration and a sa result inter have their best chance :laugh:

It'll need all his talents for such things though as the Italian team is totally, 100% outgunned here.

by **GYBS** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:48 pm

so nil nil between two teams rafa has beaten in the last 12 months :;):

by **GYBS** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:49 pm

And a maureen let a team go stale despite spending millions during that summer on players like svchenko and ballack etc etc surely not ? :;):

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:18 am

bigmick wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
bigmick wrote:

If he was coaching Aston Villa, would they of won the premiership this season?

No. I think Martin O Neill has done an excellent job getting them to where they are. If they finish in the top four, it's a huge achievement.

I thought we were 2nd because the league is sh*t this year?

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:10 am

GYBS wrote:so nil nil between two teams rafa has beaten in the last 12 months

oh please spare us your hypocrisy! how many times has the scums beaten us? i still remember those times when James would flap and Andy Cole comes out of nowhere with a header and Tevez scoring or O Shea scoring. depressing.

by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:36 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
bigmick wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:
bigmick wrote:

If he was coaching Aston Villa, would they of won the premiership this season?

No. I think Martin O Neill has done an excellent job getting them to where they are. If they finish in the top four, it's a huge achievement.

I thought we were 2nd because the league is sh*t this year?

We are. Aston Villa catching up with Chelsea and overtaking Arsenal ony emphasis the point so don't worry Lando, you're still right.

The thing is though, they've done it coming from a mile back, while spending a fraction of the money the big four has spent, and without the residual services of arguably the best player in thr World to drag them out of the sh!te every five minutes.

When you also consider that they are currently in a position which they probably haven't been in for 20 years, I think it's a very good achievement. We are CURRENTLY second as well so we are also taking advantage of the weakness of the league and doing well. We are though doing it while spending huge amounts of cash, with the residual help of arguably the best player in the World to dig us out of the sh!te every every five minutes, and we aren't coming from anywhere near so far back, so it's hard to compare the two levels of progress. Also, I think if I remember rightly Houllier finished one season in second, 7 points off the top or something so not only are we not setting a new trend in terms of precedence, we haven't even beaten our own recent PB yet.

Still time for all that though, it'll be interesting to see how it all pans out. My guess is Villa will fall away and finish fifth, which will still be a decent effort for them. It'll be interesting to see where we end up

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by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:48 am

Funnily enough, since the discussion has got back to progression, it's worth looking at Houlliers 2000-2001 season. In light of the possibility that we're about to go our third full season without winning anything at all, the much maligned (by people including me I have to say) Houllier had a good year that time around. Liverpool won, in the one season, the UEFA Cup, the FA Cup and the Carling Cup. They finished third in the league, 11 points behind the Mancs, and 1 point off second (behind Arsenal).

At the beginning of the following season, we beat Manchester United in the Charity shield to win that, and beat Bayern Munich to win the super cup. We finished that season (2001-2002) in second, 7 points behind Arsenal and three points AHEAD of the Mancs.

Have we progressed since then do you reckon?

by **GYBS** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:37 am

what happened in the seasons after mick ? Gh then took us to second in 01/02 season then 02/03 we went backwards and didnt even qualify for the cl , 03/04 we managed to get into cl place on the last game of the season finishing 30 points behind the winner . So in two gh took us from second to miles behind . Since then we have progressed as a team .

And max suggest you have a look at the smiley i posted in the thread and realise when people are bringing humour into it and dont go attacking my posts .

by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:28 am

GYBS wrote:what happened in the seasons after mick ? Gh then took us to second in 01/02 season then 02/03 we went backwards and didnt even qualify for the cl , 03/04 we managed to get into cl place on the last game of the season finishing 30 points behind the winner . So in two gh took us from second to miles behind .

Totally agree with you mate, it just goes to show the folly of thinking you're "progressing" and sticking with the wrong man too long.

That said, even though Houllier lost it, he sure did win a lot of trophies compared to Rafa, and he got us into second, and he got us within seven points of the league winners. I might have to do a Mourinho type expose on his record to see how it compares to our other managers.

As we all know from the Mourinho example, once you start digging it's amazing what comes to light. If I get time tomorrow I'll look into the Houllier progression and see what I can dig up for you mate :laugh:

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by **GYBS** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:54 am

Have read carra and thommos book mate so know the progression on GH mate . and yes you cant stick with managers f they arent progressing .

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