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Dazzer wrote:

Lando_Griffin wrote:

bigmick wrote:Stone cold facts and it's a well written post, it's been put on the forum a couple of times already. I'm not sure it's necessary to "argue against it" really, as it simply confirms the fact that we've outspent both Manchester United and Arsenal since Rafa has been the manager of Liverpool. Nothing wrong in that, it just means that the excuse of spending restrictions isn't valid.

Anyway that's not the point of this thread. This thread is to discuss the achievements and record of Rafa Benitez throughout his career, in much the same way as the Mourinho one is to discuss his career. I must confess I didn't know Rafa got sacked from his first two clubs and then got relegated with his third, and this thread is about that kind of thing, as well as abviously his excellent record at Valencia and Tenerife.

You'll never get it, will you? You just look at the words, jumble the letters up in your mind and create whatever statement you want to see.

It's mind boggling that you can be this incessant over something you are so obviously entirely wrong about.

Oh, and for the record, Rafa got his 3rd team promoted then went back down with them - you simple-minded nitwit.

But mick is right not that he needs me saying so just wanted to point out he is right.O did I say he is right ? 

stmichael wrote:It's no wonder that a lot of people can't stand sky when they print figures like this:



What a load of nonsense. The combined cost of Hargreaves, Nani, Anderson, Valencia, Carrick, Rooney, Berbatov alone comes close to that £140 million figure.  That's without even mentioning VDS, Evra, Vidic and the likes.

Benny The Noon wrote:Im guessing this thread has been started as some sort of comparison towards Maureen.

LFC2007 wrote:Are you going to give any context?

yolz wrote:Rafa gets so much stick because he's the Manager of Liverpool IMHO
In any other club other than the Big 4, He'll be a legend
It's been a long long long wait for that elusive premiership trophy,
far too long for a club with a history as rich as Liverpool
But try to take a step back and reconsider the entire situation
He's been the most successful Manager since King Kenny
And the Premiership has evolved so much since King Kenny's days as well
Now it's about the money
You just can't mount a serious challenge without spending at least 50 million each season to try and catch up with Chelsea or Manure
Take a look at Arsenal, even with the tested and proven Wenger, with the club on a strict financial control,
they had to sell to buy players, with hardly any money poured in like City
Hence their failed attempts at the title challenge for the past seasons
Rafa brought us so close in the previous season
All teams need a certain amount of luck to win the title
I say we stick by Rafa
He made us 5 times the Kings of Europe for Fark's sake
He's brilliant, and we're only going to miss him if we don't have the patience to allow him to get his master plan into fruitation
Let's pray those 2 Yankees get out asap instead

bigmick wrote:Rafa's first attempts at coaching away from the youth and B teams of Real madrid was at Real Valladoid in the 95/96 season in the Spanish Primera Division. After 23 games Real Valladoid were bottom of the league and had won only two matches, leading to Rafa being sacked.

In the 96/97 season, Rafa took over at Ososuna in the Spanish Segunda Division. Once again they showed little patience, and after one win in his first nine matches Rafa was sacked. He did though meet Pako Ayesteran who as we know he went on to form a partnership with.

In 1997, Rafa joined another second division team, Extremedura. He led them to second in the table, behind Deportivo Alaves (who we beat in the UEFA Cup final if I'm not mistaken). Extremedura finished second by virtue of winning 23 out of 42 games. Unfortunately, Extremedura only survived one season in the Primera division however, and were relegated in 1999 after losing a play off. Rafa quit and took a year off being a manager, studying in England and Italy. He also worked as a commentator for Eurosport and local Madrid TV.

In 2000 he was appointed coach of Tenerife, and led them to third place in the table, getting them promoted. In 2001 Rafa was appointed coach of Valencia, replacing Hector Cuper. Valencia had reached the Champions League final in each of the two previous seasons, and the team Rafa took over included such illuminaries as Santiago Canizares, Roberto Ayala, Ruben Baraja, David Albelde, Vicente and Pablo Aimar. More attacking tactics than his predecessor saw Valencia land their first title in 31 years. Deportivo La Coruna were second.

The following season was disappointing, as Valencia failed to follow up the previous season. They finished finished fifth, eighteen points behind the Champions Real Madrid. Valencia bounced back the following season though, and won the league again as well as the UEFA Cup, beating Marseilles in the final. At this point Rafa fell out with the director of Sport, Jesus Garcia Pitarch and left joining Liverpool.

And from there, he is writing his history with us....

Michael can you still see the R on your keyboard or is it fading along with the A and F from over use   ?  just a thought 

heimdall wrote:

yolz wrote:Rafa gets so much stick because he's the Manager of Liverpool IMHO
In any other club other than the Big 4, He'll be a legend
It's been a long long long wait for that elusive premiership trophy,
far too long for a club with a history as rich as Liverpool
But try to take a step back and reconsider the entire situation
He's been the most successful Manager since King Kenny
And the Premiership has evolved so much since King Kenny's days as well
Now it's about the money
You just can't mount a serious challenge without spending at least 50 million each season to try and catch up with Chelsea or Manure
Take a look at Arsenal, even with the tested and proven Wenger, with the club on a strict financial control,
they had to sell to buy players, with hardly any money poured in like City
Hence their failed attempts at the title challenge for the past seasons
Rafa brought us so close in the previous season
All teams need a certain amount of luck to win the title
I say we stick by Rafa
He made us 5 times the Kings of Europe for Fark's sake
He's brilliant, and we're only going to miss him if we don't have the patience to allow him to get his master plan into fruitation
Let's pray those 2 Yankees get out asap instead

Is it brilliant to continue playing Kuyt instead of Bennayoun or to continue playing 4-5-1 with a young inexperienced striker?

Is it brilliant to sign players like Degan, Voronin and Dossena?

is it brilliant to continue playing Lucas and Mascha in midfield when they are perhaps the two least creative midfielders in the league?

Rafa is lucky to have survived 5 years, even luckier to have been handed an extension for another 5 years, he will never ever win us the league unless it is bought for him.